Prospect Info: Current #2 overall poll and discussion

Who do you want the Devils to take at #2 assuming Wright goes 1st overall?


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On his podcast, Button said the Devils should easily say yes to trading #2 for #26, Guhle, and Anderson.

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Button appears to think Anderson is the big get and I think he’s the worst part of that offer.
Taking on Anderson's contract would require the Devils also receiving the #26 pick even if there was no other player involved. So, the trade amounts to Guhle for the #2 pick, which is absurd considering how deep the Devils are at LD.

Remember Button is playing to a Canadian audience. That's his demographic. He's a good color commentator and draft guy, but when it comes to trades and such he's better off leaving it to McKenzie.
 
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Taking on Anderson's contract would require the Devils also receiving the #26 pick even if there was no other player involved. So, the trade amounts to Guhle for the #2 pick, which is absurd considering how deep the Devils are at LD.

Remember Button is playing to a Canadian audience. That's his demographic. He's a good color commentator and draft guy, but when it comes to trades and such he's better off leaving it to McKenzie.

26th is not even remotely close enough for me to take on Anderson. It's not like we'd be taking on one year of a bad deal. It's FIVE MORE YEARS. Look at the Leafs having to move 13th overall to get out of 1 year of Marleau. Anderson has so little value to me that it'd take like a Caufield or 1OA in order to take on that deal. Obviously that'd never happen but that's why we should never be taking him on.
 
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This sounds pretty f***ing awful. I'm going to need a SN stream and I already hate their coverage but it's likely the lesser of 2 evils



Ya, I'm not a fan of ESPN's collection of commentators. Kaplan is ok, but Buccigross will be annoying to listen to.

I think they should just get Wysh drunk and let him say whatever he wants. That should produce some fun commentary as the draft plays out.
 

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Ya, I'm not a fan of ESPN's collection of commentators. Kaplan is ok, but Buccigross will be annoying to listen to.

I think they should just get Wysh drunk and let him say whatever he wants. That should produce some fun commentary as the draft plays out.

There's no prospect people on the broadcast. At least with NBC there was Button. Even though Button's a bit wild with his evaluations you know he's put in some work watching these guys. Pierre's an annoying encyclopedia but at least he also has some idea of these guys. Bob's not a scout but he's more plugged into the hockey world than anyone and knows what scouts and teams are thinking. Bouch and Weekes seem pretty useless here. I think Meghan could be interesting but still legit prospect people.
 

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If Miroshnichenko is there for our 2nd rounder , as tempting as it would be , I’d rather go with a RHD or “hard skill” forward . If he falls tithe third round …. Then maybe yes . But I can’t see him falling THAT far.
 

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If Miroshnichenko is there for our 2nd rounder , as tempting as it would be , I’d rather go with a RHD or “hard skill” forward . If he falls tithe third round …. Then maybe yes . But I can’t see him falling THAT far.

If Miroschnichenko wants out now and you think you can bring him over and keep him here then I'd think hard about it at 37. I'd probably consider forwards like Firkus, Mesar, Ostlund, Beck, or Hughes if they slide to 37. If it is Slaf at 2 then I don't see why you'd prioritize a worse forward because it's "hard skill" (shouldn't do that regardless). Then there's the Dmen in there too as options. The ceiling's high enough that if I think I can keep him here it'd be hard to turn down. Gleb's an interesting one for me. If I can get him over I probably consider him at 70 since I think he'll be there. If there's a comparable player to me like say Sykora somehow falls that low (doubt it) then I take them and grab Gleb with one of the 4ths if I can.
 
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26th is not even remotely close enough for me to take on Anderson. It's not like we'd be taking on one year of a bad deal. It's FIVE MORE YEARS. Look at the Leafs having to move 13th overall to get out of 1 year of Marleau. Anderson has so little value to me that it'd take like a Caufield or 1OA in order to take on that deal. Obviously that'd never happen but that's why we should never be taking him on.
You get my point. I was simply saying Anderson is not a "trade chip", but rather a "cap dump". I wasn't trying to equate actual value.
 

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You get my point. I was simply saying Anderson is not a "trade chip", but rather a "cap dump". I wasn't trying to equate actual value.

Well you I get that but even then Guhle's a part of that cap dump part. We'd be giving them 2OA for free and then some lol
 

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If Miroshnichenko is there for our 2nd rounder , as tempting as it would be , I’d rather go with a RHD or “hard skill” forward . If he falls tithe third round …. Then maybe yes . But I can’t see him falling THAT far.
I quickly run up to the stage and pick Miro if that happens. hell if he's still there at 30 I would trade one of our 3rd to move up and pick him.

Miro is currently in North America so him being forced to stay in Russia isn't an issue and he was in the top 5 conversation until he had to stop for cancer treatment which he beat.
 

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If Miroschnichenko wants out now and you think you can bring him over and keep him here then I'd think hard about it at 37. I'd probably consider forwards like Firkus, Mesar, Ostlund, Beck, or Hughes if they slide to 37. If it is Slaf at 2 then I don't see why you'd prioritize a worse forward because it's "hard skill" (shouldn't do that regardless). Then there's the Dmen in there too as options. The ceiling's high enough that if I think I can keep him here it'd be hard to turn down. Gleb's an interesting one for me. If I can get him over I probably consider him at 70 since I think he'll be there. If there's a comparable player to me like say Sykora somehow falls that low (doubt it) then I take them and grab Gleb with one of the 4ths if I can.
Keep in mind we have no idea how high Miroshnichenko's upside is, but it's probably in the same ballpark as Slafkovsky and Wright and Lambert and above the other forwards for the 2022 draft. He's big, fast, skilled, can fire the puck, can dangle, passes extremely well, and thinks the game at a high level offensively. He's truly got it all.

If you have a chance to get a player who could be a superstar at #37, you do it. Miroshnichenko is without a doubt the Kucherov/Kaprizov for the 2022 class.

As for Trikozov, in December if you had asked if he could be around in the 3rd round, I'd have said no way. But after recent developments in Russia (I don't want to get into it for those who aren't in the know, because it's very upsetting for me, but just Google "Fedotov") I think it's possible. You're absolutely correct that Trikozov could be a huge steal in the 3rd round, he's sublimely skilled, incredibly smart and just a wizard with the puck on his stick. I have some problems with his compete level, and his lack of two-way consistency will likely see his NHL future on RW rather than C, but the talent is high-end, especially for the 3rd round.

I suppose we can't discuss these two without also bringing up Alexander Perevalov, who I would say has less upside than Miroshnichenko and more than Trikozov, while being the highest-floor player of the three. Perevalov tops Trikozov in playmaking and shooting by a long shot. Trikozov gets an edge in puckhandling and his biggest edge over Perevalov is skating, where I'd say Trikozov is very good and Perevalov in the average to above-average range. But where Perevalov blows Trikozov away is in his intangibles -- his compete level and IQ blow away Trikozov, and he's at his best in the interior, where Trikozov tends to shy away, especially against more physical defenders.

Basically, rankings of Trikozov over Perevalov are all done by evaluators who do not factor in intangibles to their rankings. Draft rankers who care about compete and IQ routinely have Perevalov over Trikozov. I'm clearly in the latter category.

As for Miroshnichenko, if he fully recovers from Hodgkin's, the sky is the limit. We're talking about a kid who could have been in the #1 overall conversation were it not for his health issues. Sure, there's risk here, but this type of talent at #37 would be absolutely immense.

Well you I get that but even then Guhle's a part of that cap dump part. We'd be giving them 2OA for free and then some lol
I'd actually say Guhle is in the conversation for a top 5-7 D prospect outside the NHL right now, his value is huge. It's just the Devils don't need him, because NJ is loaded at LD. But once you get past the big names of Power, Hughes and Sanderson, you're going to have to bring up guys like Edvinsson, Guhle, Faber and Morrow -- there are some great D prospects right now.

Regardless, Guhle is Montreal's #1 prospect (until tomorrow) by a country mile, so we'd sound as bad as Montreal fans if we undersold him.
 

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Keep in mind we have no idea how high Miroshnichenko's upside is, but it's probably in the same ballpark as Slafkovsky and Wright and Lambert and above the other forwards for the 2022 draft. He's big, fast, skilled, can fire the puck, can dangle, passes extremely well, and thinks the game at a high level offensively. He's truly got it all.

If you have a chance to get a player who could be a superstar at #37, you do it. Miroshnichenko is without a doubt the Kucherov/Kaprizov for the 2022 class.

As for Trikozov, in December if you had asked if he could be around in the 3rd round, I'd have said no way. But after recent developments in Russia (I don't want to get into it for those who aren't in the know, because it's very upsetting for me, but just Google "Fedotov") I think it's possible. You're absolutely correct that Trikozov could be a huge steal in the 3rd round, he's sublimely skilled, incredibly smart and just a wizard with the puck on his stick. I have some problems with his compete level, and his lack of two-way consistency will likely see his NHL future on RW rather than C, but the talent is high-end, especially for the 3rd round.

I suppose we can't discuss these two without also bringing up Alexander Perevalov, who I would say has less upside than Miroshnichenko and more than Trikozov, while being the highest-floor player of the three. Perevalov tops Trikozov in playmaking and shooting by a long shot. Trikozov gets an edge in puckhandling and his biggest edge over Perevalov is skating, where I'd say Trikozov is very good and Perevalov in the average to above-average range. But where Perevalov blows Trikozov away is in his intangibles -- his compete level and IQ blow away Trikozov, and he's at his best in the interior, where Trikozov tends to shy away, especially against more physical defenders.

Basically, rankings of Trikozov over Perevalov are all done by evaluators who do not factor in intangibles to their rankings. Draft rankers who care about compete and IQ routinely have Perevalov over Trikozov. I'm clearly in the latter category.

As for Miroshnichenko, if he fully recovers from Hodgkin's, the sky is the limit. We're talking about a kid who could have been in the #1 overall conversation were it not for his health issues. Sure, there's risk here, but this type of talent at #37 would be absolutely immense.


I'd actually say Guhle is in the conversation for a top 5-7 D prospect outside the NHL right now, his value is huge. It's just the Devils don't need him, because NJ is loaded at LD. But once you get past the big names of Power, Hughes and Sanderson, you're going to have to bring up guys like Edvinsson, Guhle, Faber and Morrow -- there are some great D prospects right now.

Regardless, Guhle is Montreal's #1 prospect (until tomorrow) by a country mile, so we'd sound as bad as Montreal fans if we undersold him.

It’s not about me underselling Guhle. It's me despising the Anderson contract. I’d need like 1 or Caufield to take it on. I’m not taking 26+Guhle for 1 or Caufield
 
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I wouldn't say it's awful, I actually think it's rather sweet you guys agree.

I really don't know how it's not awful. He had literally just one good year 3 years ago. Outside of that he's been a mediocre 3rd liner. That's a mediocre 3rd liner 5.5 for the next 5 at 28 years old while playing a style of hockey that ages poorly. He's a decent goal scorer. He can't pass though. He doesn't drive offense. He's bad defensively. It should be treated as one of the worst deals in the league but hey "big and fast and tough" so people don't see it that way
 

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I really don't know how it's not awful. He had literally just one good year 3 years ago. Outside of that he's been a mediocre 3rd liner. That's a mediocre 3rd liner 5.5 for the next 5 at 28 years old while playing a style of hockey that ages poorly. He's a decent goal scorer. He can't pass though. He doesn't drive offense. He's bad defensively. It should be treated as one of the worst deals in the league but hey "big and fast and tough" so people don't see it that way
twas a joke.
 

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I agree with @Hisch13r all the time -- he's one of our smartest and best posters.


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twas a joke.

You can never be too sure when it comes to Joshy
 

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Why wait till the last day to meet with him?


Wright has met with Habs management before, a dinner I believe as did Cooley. Slaf was the only one out of three that didn't.
Slaf did meet with them at the combine but didn't get dinner. He made the comment how the conversation tasted better than dinner to him.
 

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That's probably the MISSED DINNER they failed to give him that they gave Shane Wright. :sarcasm:

Why wait till the last day to meet with him?


Wright has met with Habs management before, a dinner I believe as did Cooley. Slaf was the only one out of three that didn't.
And I think this meeting is probably going to be a makeup for that.

I'm sure before they were like "Slafkovsky? meh. Who cares." so they did the bare minimum.

Now that interest is high on Slaf, they're all like "Slaf, my man! Have a seat! Do you like Steak? "
 
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The line moves because of people putting money down on certain players, has nothing to do with the book having intel.
Mostly, but on occasion they'll not price according to the market if they have some particular information or a sharp bets the other way.

Either way, people today started thinking Wright is much more likely.
 

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I know I'm naive for complaining there are fools on Twitter, but I just got into a long post discussion about why Juraj Slafkovsky is a great prospect and what makes him an outstanding hockey player.

Some dude replies to me with three (3!) vitriolic and negative posts about essentially how awful I am for insulting Shane Wright.

None of my Slafkovsky posts mentioned Shane Wright. None of my Slafkovsky posts even mentioned he should be #1 in the 2022 draft (I actually have Wright ranked #1).

My question is: when did America become so polarized that everyone assumes that just because you're lauding one thing, it means you're putting down another thing? And when did it become okay to put down another human being for being high on the potential of a teenaged athlete?

Maybe these are rhetorical questions, but I just needed to vent.
 
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