Keep replacing coaches it's always going to be the same shit. The real issue is the core forwards taking up all the cap space and not dominating compared to their cap hits
Confirmed with Link: Craig Berube named the 32nd Coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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When they stink...Sometimes i imagine that if they were sellers at deadline and could move Rielly they'd have 26 mil in cap space next year. Thats a whole new team anyway you want it. Is Berube the right guy.
Berubes system hasn’t brought much of an identity. I was always very hesitant in hiring a tough coach for a soft core. They get outhit regularly, they’re soft on the forecheck and back check. The special teams have been especially alarming. He’s reduced offensive ability of key forwards while not replacing it with defence or toughness. Kind of a rough start IMO. The defence itself, I am kind of on the fence whether it’s his system or the addition of Tanev and OEL but there has been some improvement. Stolarz is shaping up to be amazing but on nights when Woll gets the net it gives me serious Babcock/Keefe vibes of a team that just won’t go far.
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The concerning thing is if Berube is supposed to be a defensive upgrade and Treliving’s adds on defense are supposed to be a defensive upgrade, they still haven’t even hit the highs of what Keefe squeezed out of the team in those 10 game stretches when Brodie, Rielly, Muzzin, and both starting goalies were injured. Apparently there’s a switch the team can flip to make a Gio-Lily or Sandin-Lily top pair + Mete-Hollowell bottom pair playing in front of Jones or whoever it was average 2 GAA for almost a month and we seem to be incapable of flipping it with a fully healthy team and better coach.
No it doesn't. It just means that there's more to a record than 5v5 play. Half of our wins at that point last year were in OT/SO, and our PP was hot.
To be clear, the tiny sample of 5v5 stats to start last year was the outlier. We had better underlying numbers through Keefe's tenure than we have this year so far.
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The thing that I can see as a positive is:
Everyone has a job and is valued by the coach
Hard work is rewarded
Results over stats
He reduces media drama in how he handles the media
Everyone has a job and is valued by the coach
Hard work is rewarded
Results over stats
He reduces media drama in how he handles the media
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1 single round win is not what I would consider success
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The only success is holding Lord Stanley
Winning 2 or 3 rds isn’t success either. Not to the players or coaches. Ownership may like it because it’s more money in their pockets.
Winning 2 or 3 rds isn’t success either. Not to the players or coaches. Ownership may like it because it’s more money in their pockets.
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Of course winning the cup is the ultimate success but winning a few rounds is a step to success. Teams do not go from winning 1 round in the last 20:years to the cup in one year. That’s just not realistic.
We need to start taking steps and I just don’t see it happening with this core and the cap allocation
Of course that’s a crappy start and I don’t consider that success either but as you alway like to say 14 games is a small sample size.
If the cup is all that matters, then winning rounds without the cup is meaningless. If the cup isn't all that matters, there are many measures of success.
Not sure what 20 years ago has to do with anything. LA won nothing and then won the cup. Other teams had only gone to round 2 and then won the cup. Past series outcomes have no impact on future series outcomes.
14 games is a small sample size. I'm glad you're learning that. But so far, we're doing worse.
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Two years ago we were 7-4-3 at this point under Dubas and Keefe. Year before 8-5-1. Let's go back and review your commentary. Actually, let's not....
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And in 3 games the Leafs will be 10-5-2 under Berube, which equally proves nothing. Let's see where they are at the end of the season. That will be a better judge of the coaching upgrade. Meanwhile, New Jersey is hardly setting the world on fire.
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The fans have done their job for the last nearly 60 years. It is time that ownership and their franchise do the same. I trust that Berube is demanding the same.
Lift the damn Cup. The year after, no fan will even care if Leafs finish at the bottom, score 400 goals while giving up 405. In any current year though, play the game right and sacrifice everything to win.
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The record is fine and they’re playing well, but by next Wednesday they’ll have played 4 B2B. I don’t know if they’ve had that many in past years so I wouldn’t too much stock in comparing records.
If they lose any of the next 4 hopefully it’s in OT and they get 1 pt.
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Seems like they've played more of a condensed schedule to start this season than in the past.
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I think winning two or three rounds would be a success considering their roster and drafting over the past 8 yrs.
We played at a 109 point pace through Keefe's tenure. We're currently at a 94 point pace under Berube.
You can think that we're going to do better as the season progresses. I think so too.
But so far, there's no success to point to, that even equals what we did under Keefe.
I'm gonna guess he had his panties in a bunch over a small sample size if you criticized the record on those years.
This year though? Who cares.
