Al14
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To get over a 100 points, they'll have to go on some extended winning streaks, and soon.
Well coach Berube, you now know how frustrating it was for Babcock and Keefe.
Confirmed with Link: Craig Berube named the 32nd Coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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Well coach Berube, you now know how frustrating it was for Babcock and Keefe.
I don't get it, do all Leafs coaches have M&M syndrome?
Let's get on Willy's case, which is fairish, but TOTALLY ignore M&M stinking up the joint? I've always felt like the Leafs org coddled those two more than anyone else.
2 goals from Marner? Matthews isn't even PPG?
Shouldn't that result in benching or minutes demotion, or PP2?
Hell, if Pasta can play some PP2 when he sucks get M&M off the powerplay until they improve in 5 on 5.
Let's get on Willy's case, which is fairish, but TOTALLY ignore M&M stinking up the joint? I've always felt like the Leafs org coddled those two more than anyone else.
2 goals from Marner? Matthews isn't even PPG?
Shouldn't that result in benching or minutes demotion, or PP2?
Hell, if Pasta can play some PP2 when he sucks get M&M off the powerplay until they improve in 5 on 5.
Stephen
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From what we can tell, Willie responds better to hard coaching, whereas the other two don't do well when the heat is turned up from the coach.
Exactly.
The point of paying these guys so much money is so they can make players around them better i.e like how McDavid turned a 50 point Hyman into an 80 point first line winger…
Matthews could do something similar for Domi or Marner could help Tavares get back to 70-80 points, this is how we can get surplus value. They won’t do that at the level of McDavid but Matthews could probably get Domi to 65 points.
If Matthews and Marner have similar or the same stats playing together they should not be together since they can enhance other players on the team by playing them separately.
Martin Skoula
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Ignoring last season since it was an outlier, Hyman’s even strength scoring hasn’t really changed that much with McDavid, the extra 20 points are because he went from 0 powerplay time in TO to first unit on the best powerplay in the last decade (and he stayed healthy for once). You could keep playing Domi away from Matthews and get him to near career highs just by feeding him PP1 minutes assuming it stops being a disaster.
13 games in now, .538 P%. Can't honestly say I'm that wowed by Berube, he definitely hasn't unlocked some hidden potential from the team that Keefe was allegedly holding back.
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The problem is up top. Shanahan is the biggest issue.
Jan 1, we are under .500, who replaces Berube?
AM us under programing
Domi is under performing,
PP is terrible, PK is not much better.
Cannot blame goalies. Cannot blame Tre's new defencemen,
Goals are down, toughness is not on display.
Berube must go. At this pace I would make a change long before Xmas.
AM us under programing
Domi is under performing,
PP is terrible, PK is not much better.
Cannot blame goalies. Cannot blame Tre's new defencemen,
Goals are down, toughness is not on display.
Berube must go. At this pace I would make a change long before Xmas.
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Patience
I honestly don't think the coach matters in Nylander's case. He just does his thing, which is why he's been the best of the three in the playoffs most years.
As for the other two, well, one could say Marner hasn't looked right at all, and Matthews has been not quite as awkward as Mitch but pretty subpar.
Rare Jewel
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While harsh, it's going to become a topic.
The real issue is that Treliving shouldn't have been hired.
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Record wise they’re exactly what most outside of the Leafs marketing department expected them to be.
when it was obvious he was all that was available they should have waited.
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Wish he could split up Marner and Matthews for a bit to try to get some scoring from a third line but their playing together is obviously being dictated from above or in their contacts.
I think he's got to let Matthews get his offensive game back together first and lay off a little on the dzone starts and pk.
I wish they could put Domi on his wing to get him going and maybe Knies could get a 3rd line going but they're paper thin at center, they never addressed that and it's showing.
I think he's got to let Matthews get his offensive game back together first and lay off a little on the dzone starts and pk.
I wish they could put Domi on his wing to get him going and maybe Knies could get a 3rd line going but they're paper thin at center, they never addressed that and it's showing.
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Martin Skoula
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It’s not his fault, we can’t really judge his work until after the 2030 offseason.
Rare Jewel
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Quite so.
But it is quite Leafy to get the guy on the wrong end of the most talked about trade at the time.
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I have always thought Berube to be an overrated coach based on his overall record. While he certainly has a Cup and we shouldn't dismiss that, outside of that half a year in charge, his record is meh.
Having said that, it's 13 games. We can't pretend that's enough time to assess him.
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Evilhomer
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The moment Keefe was fired it was clear that it was only going to be berube. No different than what happened with Treliving.
Leafsfan74
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These are significantly better underlying numbers which is what one would expect playing a more direct, lower risk game. You want to have the opponent on their backfeet and playing in their end which is what a North/South game allows, not waiting for the turnover as a player dangles East/West.
Pasta was benched for the entire 3rd Period and came out and took responsibility for being benched.
If players don't play properly I hope Berube does the same to a star without hesitation. When asked by media he can just respond as he does "coaches decision". That's it.
The one element of optimism is that the team will have grinded out a full season of proper, playoff-style hockey so when the real dance starts it will be second nature.
I still don't think they can win with these horses, but maybe they figure it out and find their testosterone.
Racer88
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So the same record with 2 totally different sets of fancy stats……kinda flys in the face of the notion that those stats actually mean anything
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Years ago under caryle svsryone said the advances stats indicated leafs were bad but were getting lucky...and evwntuakly the wheels fell off like the stats said they should.
Leafs probably have a pretty good record if their PP wasnt unsustainably bad.
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Leafs have good advanced stats every year in the playoffs too. Their worst year by far was against Tampa and they won.
How many coaches and GMs do we need to turf before we realize it is the players...
I am not saying Berube is the second coming of of Scotty Bowman, but we have watched this core flounder under several coaches now.
Start trading core pieces
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