Rumor: Coyotes still in market for Top 4 defenceman

[rt]

Keller would be my sole target. If he's not available, then I wouldn't have much interest in dealing to Arizona

You should lower your expectations significantly.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Jack Johnson or David Savard could be had for the right price, although Savard holds more value than Johnson.

Was legit thinking this. Probably something around hanzal and maybe a pick / prospect. CBJ gets a good center to help shore up their top 6

 

[rt]

Was legit thinking this. Probably something around hanzal and maybe a pick / prospect. CBJ gets a good center to help shore up their top 6

Columbus is stronger at center than Arizona is. We can survive with our D, as-is, but if you subtract Hanzal from our line up, we quickly become a complete train-wreck up-front.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Columbus is stronger at center than Arizona is. We can survive with our D, as-is, but if you subtract Hanzal from our line up, we quickly become a complete train-wreck up-front.

Fair assessment. Is Strome still a year away or is the thinking that he will be in the lineup this year? I also thought hanzal, as other combos of prospects not in the upper tier probably don't get you a defenceman that's better than what's currently on the field. Maybe wiz gets a pto with you guys?

 

[rt]

Strome probably makes the team but he's never played a pro game in his life and will need to be eased in. Preferably with Hanzal drawing top opposition (likely our 1st line C with Domi and Duclair) and Antoine Vermette playing the shut-down role with Tobias Rieder and another defensively responsible winger(I'd like to trade for Tommy Wingels or Matt Read). Freeing Strome up to play with a couple of vets who can knock in goals and do dirty work (I'm thinking Jamie McGinn and Shane Doan). Keep that trio away from opposition top scoring lines and top checking lines.

Domi-Hanzal-Duclair
McGinn-Strome-Doan
Rieder-Vermette-*AorB*
Martinook-Richardson-White

OEL-Murphy
Goligoski-Stone
Connauton-Schenn
Dahlbeck-Michalek

A. Wingels???
B. Read???

 

[Dbrownss]

You should lower your expectations significantly.

That's where the 2nd part of my post comes into play.

 

[thewookie1]

Franson?

 

[rt]

Franson?

Sure. Wouldn't give up anything of value, though. Michalek@50% and a 3rd or something. If you don't want Michalek, even at half off, I guess we could just buy him out. That makes Franson awful pricey for a guy that's going to swap in and out of the line-up with Schenn once Stone is healthy.

 

[kimzey59]

No chance Strome, Keller, or Dvorak go. Dauphin? Sure. MacInnis? Sure.

Any chance at getting both(Duaphin and MacInnis)?
Shatty would easily be the second best D man on your team and top pairing D men don't come cheap.

 

[Tripod]

Nah. That 2nd is too early and too valuable for either. If we had Chicago's 2nd or Pittsburgh's 2nd somehow than sure. But I think an Arizona 2nd is too much for Streit or Read. I think most people would agree.

And that may be next year....so let's make it a 2nd in 2018. Gives an extra year for the AZ kids to develop.

 

[tony d]

How about signing Kris Russell?

 

[ck26]

How about signing Kris Russell?

Let's go over to forum=44 together and ask Stars if the Kris Russell they saw last season is a top-4 defenseman.

Where does Kris Russell fit into the Coyotes LHD depth chart?

Professional
OEL (3 years, then UFA)
Alex Goligoski (5 years, UFA)
Kevin Connauton (2 years, UFA)
Klas Dahlbeck (1 year, RFA)
Jarred Tinordi (1 year, UFA)
Justin Hache (1 year, RFA)
Dakota Mermis (2 years, RFA)

Junior
Jakub Chychrun
Kyle Capobianco
Cam Dineen

 

[rt]

Any chance at getting both(Duaphin and MacInnis)?
Shatty would easily be the second best D man on your team and top pairing D men don't come cheap.

Sure. But seems to me that St. Louis would be more interested in Stone, no?

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

If Keller or Strome aren't available, then Arizona is not in the running for Shattenkirk (re-signed, obviously). I don't think Arizona loses much sleep over this.

 

[Curufinwe]

Maybe if our 2nd was 50-60 but it's 30-40 so I'd pass. I wouldn't part with Rieder by himself for that pair of players. They'd be good fits but they aren't really assets. One is old as hell and the other has an out of whack bucks to production ratio for a broke team like us. The fact that Streit's actually salary is so low kind of makes up for Read's inflated salary. I'd maybe offer a '17 2nd and an '18 3rd for the pair.

Read ($3.625m cap hit, $4m salary) + Streit at 50% ($2.625m cap hit, $1m salary) + 2017 2nd or prospect

for

Rieder + Michalek ($3.2m cap hit/salary).


Then the Flyers sign Reider to a two year bridge deal at $3m AAV.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Yotes going for a pending UFA like Shattenkirk when they aren't a contender makes no sense.

Yotes finished out the playoffs last year and 2 worst in the league the season before. Not enough has changed for them to become a playoff team this year.

By trade deadline they should be looking to max out the returns on Hanzal, Vermette, Michalek and Stone.

 

[AslanRH]

Arizona will be the destination for the supposed Avs FO failure that is post arbitration Barrie. That is why they locked up Murphy and Stone so that the Avs could get one of them in return

 

[rt]

Read ($3.625m cap hit, $4m salary) + Streit at 50% ($2.625m cap hit, $1m salary) + 2017 2nd or prospect

for

Rieder + Michalek ($3.2m cap hit/salary).


Then the Flyers sign Reider to a two year bridge deal at $3m AAV.

Rieder is the only real asset there. The rest is just moving stuff around.

EDIT: just noticed the 2nd - which helps.

 

[rt]

If Keller or Strome aren't available, then Arizona is not in the running for Shattenkirk (re-signed, obviously). I don't think Arizona loses much sleep over this.

Look at what Yandle returned from the Rangers. Now cut that in half. You've found Shattenkirk's value. Stop believing you're going to get one of the best prospects in the world.

 

[rt]

Arizona will be the destination for the supposed Avs FO failure that is post arbitration Barrie. That is why they locked up Murphy and Stone so that the Avs could get one of them in return

Stone+what?

 

[AslanRH]

Stone+what?

With Stone, I would think a very good young forward, but that would be a deal for January since the Avs wouldn't be able to extend Stone until then (and wouldn't likely want to lose him to FA). they also would get a chance to see his play post injury first. I do think Stone would fit the Avs preference in Dmen quite well however.

 

[Mad Brills*]

marincin could help you guys

 

[rt]

With Stone, I would think a very good young forward, but that would be a deal for January since the Avs wouldn't be able to extend Stone until then (and wouldn't likely want to lose him to FA). they also would get a chance to see his play post injury first. I do think Stone would fit the Avs preference in Dmen quite well however.

If we have Stone healthy, playing well, and open to a reasonable extension by January, what incentive do we have to add a "very good young forward" to him, just to get Barrie? Barrie is all of one year younger, and while he produces more points, Stone is more verstile(can be counted on for PK support) and much bigger and much meaner (really our only D the last two years who throws his weight around and plays a pissed off game).

Would I pay a pretty decent price to trade Stone for Barrie? Sure. But that's largely because Stone does have the injury to recover from and we don't have clear answers on the contract situation. If all of that gets squared away, I'm no longer willing to add much of anything to Stone to get Barrie. In fact, maybe nothing at all. We know that Stone fits well on this team and with this coaching staff. Barrie is an unknown. I'm not sure it'd be worth the risk to move Stone for Barrie at all in January is he's recovered and happy to talk extension. What would be the point? 10-15 extra even strength points per season? Nah.

 

[AslanRH]

If we have Stone healthy, playing well, and open to a reasonable extension by January, what incentive do we have to add a "very good young forward" to him, just to get Barrie? Barrie is all of one year younger, and while he produces more points, Stone is more verstile(can be counted on for PK support) and much bigger and much meaner (really our only D the last two years who throws his weight around and plays a pissed off game).

Would I pay a pretty decent price to trade Stone for Barrie? Sure. But that's largely because Stone does have the injury to recover from and we don't have clear answers on the contract situation. If all of that gets squared away, I'm no longer willing to add much of anything to Stone to get Barrie. In fact, maybe nothing at all. We know that Stone fits well on this team and with this coaching staff. Barrie is an unknown. I'm not sure it'd be worth the risk to move Stone for Barrie at all in January is he's recovered and happy to talk extension.

Fair enough, and I actually was being somewhat facetious about the Avs FO being forced to move Barrie at all.

there is an equally arguable side where the Avs lack incentive to move Barrie and his 2.5 RFA years (1.5 of those years will be the result of today's ruling) for a lesser offensive player about to make UFA money without something significant in return. The Avs do have their version of Stone (his skill set) in Johnson already.

 

[rt]

marincin could help you guys

I don't see him as an upgrade on Connauton or Dahlbeck. At least not enough of one to bother with such a trade. What we need is a D that can play the right side (even if it's just a prolonged fill-in) because after Connor Murphy we have an injured Stone, an extremely declined Michalek, and Luke Schenn, who's a 6-7 type D. We have no one to help carry the weight until Stone is 100%.

So far, Mark Streit has been the best solution I've seen suggested. Wouldn't cost much, can play either side, and can handle big minutes for short periods of time, while healthy. Best of all, wouldn't cost much to acquire. Having said that, he might still cost too much to acquire for a young, rebuilding team. Pick 31-45 sounds steep.

I doubt we're willing to really pay a big premium to avoid having to run a bit of a skeleton crew on the right side for a while until Stone is healthy. Hell, Goligoski can play the right side. So can Connauton. I'm more confident in both of them playing their off-side than Michalek or Schenn getting top four minutes.

OEL-Murphy
KConn-Goligoski
Dahlbeck-Schenn
Michalek

...isn't great but isn't crippling. And beats overpaying with good future assets for mediocre short-term assets. I mean, when Stone is back up and running, we're not bad off.