Rumor: Coyotes still in market for Top 4 defenceman

[BA Carroll]

Are you serious?

Of course I am.

Are you?

Are you telling me that no potential trade package containing Shattenkirk and one or more or Steen, Schwartz, Lehtera, Sobotka, Berglund, Stastny, or any of the Blues' innumerable role players or prospects would be sufficient to pry Domi and one of your two primo prospects out of Phoenix? BS.

Shattenkirrk, re-signed, is worth that much alone.
Of course, he's not re-signed, hence the question.

You don't think Alex Steen would help Phoenix's anemic offense?
Are you serious?
He would instantly be the best forward on that team.
Not that I want to see him traded--I'm asking you.
As part of a bigger deal featuring Shattenkirk and Domi, what might interest you. If you say "nothing", then so be it. But don't pretend the question is preposterous.

 

[Tripod]

I think he's the perfect add. When Stone becomes healthy, we get some insurance on the left side in case KConn flops. Problem is that i can't see us parting with what is sure to be a very early 2nd rounder.

I also want Read. But he's really overpaid and I won't give up much for him.

Read is overpaid, but I'd still so good 3rd liner, good defensively and a good PKer. No reason to trade him unless the return is fair. Lars Eller got back 2 2nd and he is no better than Read. But maybe a 2nd+4th would be fine....Philly has lots of extra players right now.

What about a deal involving both guys and Reider+?

 

[Avs44]

Of course I am.

Are you?

Are you telling me that no potential trade package containing Shattenkirk and one or more or Steen, Schwartz, Lehtera, Sobotka, Berglund, Stastny, or any of the Blues' innumerable role players or prospects would be sufficient to pry Domi and one of your two primo prospects out of Phoenix? BS.

Shattenkirrk, re-signed, is worth that much alone.
Of course, he's not re-signed, hence the question.

You don't think Alex Steen would help Phoenix's anemic offense?
Are you serious?
He would instantly be the best forward on that team.
Not that I want to see him traded--I'm asking you.
As part of a bigger deal featuring Shattenkirk and Domi, what might interest you. If you say "nothing", then so be it. But don't pretend the question is preposterous.

You think a re-signed Shattenkirk fetches Domi AND Strome? Now that's a laugh.


Arizona is rebuilding. And you're tossing out pieces such as a rental defensman who is rumoured to be wanting to go out east, or 32 year old winger, for a high end 21 year old centre. Put some thought into it.

 

[kimzey59]

Hypothetically speaking, let's assume for a minute that Shattenkirk would be willing to extend with Arizona.

What kind of package of prospects would the Yote's really be willing to part with knowing that the Blues are after higher end Center types. Could any of Strome, Keller or Dvorak be put in play or is Dauphin the best you'd be willing to part with?

 

[Zac Rinaldo*]

Of course I am.

Are you?

Are you telling me that no potential trade package containing Shattenkirk and one or more or Steen, Schwartz, Lehtera, Sobotka, Berglund, Stastny, or any of the Blues' innumerable role players or prospects would be sufficient to pry Domi and one of your two primo prospects out of Phoenix? BS.

Shattenkirrk, re-signed, is worth that much alone.
Of course, he's not re-signed, hence the question.

You don't think Alex Steen would help Phoenix's anemic offense?
Are you serious?
He would instantly be the best forward on that team.
Not that I want to see him traded--I'm asking you.
As part of a bigger deal featuring Shattenkirk and Domi, what might interest you. If you say "nothing", then so be it. But don't pretend the question is preposterous.

greatly overvaluing Shattenkirk, much like Blues management

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Of course I am.

Are you?

Yes.

Are you telling me that no potential trade package containing Shattenkirk and one or more or Steen, Schwartz, Lehtera, Sobotka, Berglund, Stastny, or any of the Blues' innumerable role players or prospects would be sufficient to pry Domi and one of your two primo prospects out of Phoenix? BS.

Yes.

Oh, and I'm not a Coyotes fan in any sense. Just someone that recognizes the value of a player like Domi and a prospect like Strome. If you think a 30+ year old Steen or an un-signed Shattenkirk are even nearly enough to get not one, but TWO of Domi/Strome/MacInnis, you're sorely mistaken.

I honestly can't believe you're serious.

 

[SniperHF]

You think a re-signed Shattenkirk fetches Domi AND Strome? Now that's a laugh.


Arizona is rebuilding. And you're tossing out pieces such as a rental defensman who is rumoured to be wanting to go out east, or 32 year old winger, for a high end 21 year old centre. Put some thought into it.

Exactly, well Domi doesn't play C anymore but yeah. There's just not much fit in that group of players outside of Schwartz. And trading Schwartz and Domi in the same deal seems like a giant waste of time.

There's obviously a lot of value in that group of players in the abstract. But the fit and additional salary make any deal range from a no-go to a horrible idea.

 

[BA Carroll]

... If you think a 30+ year old Steen or an un-signed Shattenkirk are even nearly enough to get not one, but TWO of Domi/Strome/MacInnis, you're sorely mistaken...

I made no such claim.

I only asserted that there were players on the Blues who could be attractive assets to the Coyotes, and I posed the question to Coyotes fans, what would it take, apart from the players I excluded, to pique their interest.

If I wanted to make a proposal, I'd have come out and done so.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I made no such claim.

Are you telling me that no potential trade package containing Shattenkirk and one or more or Steen, Schwartz, Lehtera, Sobotka, Berglund, Stastny, or any of the Blues' innumerable role players or prospects would be sufficient to pry Domi and one of your two primo prospects out of Phoenix? BS.]

Might want to do some memory exercises, sir.

 

[BA Carroll]

Might want to do some memory exercises, sir.

No insult intended, but you might want to learn to read, sir.

That wasnt a specific proposal. It was a question--"Hey, out of all the letters in the alphabet apart from X, Y and Z, which ones would you possibly want in exchange for your letter H and a lower case h".

"None of them" is a perfectly acceptable answer.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

No insult intended, but you might want to learn to read, sir.

That wasnt a specific proposal. It was a question--"Hey, out of all the letters in the alphabet apart from X, Y and Z, which ones would you possibly want in exchange for your letter H and a lower case h".

"None of them" is a perfectly acceptable answer.

You said (paraphrasing):

"Are you telling me that a package of these players isn't enough to get Domi/Strome? BS"

What is that supposed to mean, then? You answered your own question.

 

[Nordic*]

They can have Bieksa for free.

 

[Alex Mills]

Read is overpaid, but I'd still so good 3rd liner, good defensively and a good PKer. No reason to trade him unless the return is fair. Lars Eller got back 2 2nd and he is no better than Read. But maybe a 2nd+4th would be fine....Philly has lots of extra players right now.

What about a deal involving both guys and Reider+?

Interesting thought, but not so sure Streit would waive his NTC to go to a lottery team with a defensive logjam, and Read might stay put to fulfill expansion draft requirements. Also not sure why they would consider Rieder given his demands when Konecny is about ready to make the jump.

 

[rt]

Read is overpaid, but I'd still so good 3rd liner, good defensively and a good PKer. No reason to trade him unless the return is fair. Lars Eller got back 2 2nd and he is no better than Read. But maybe a 2nd+4th would be fine....Philly has lots of extra players right now.

What about a deal involving both guys and Reider+?

Maybe if our 2nd was 50-60 but it's 30-40 so I'd pass. I wouldn't part with Rieder by himself for that pair of players. They'd be good fits but they aren't really assets. One is old as hell and the other has an out of whack bucks to production ratio for a broke team like us. The fact that Streit's actually salary is so low kind of makes up for Read's inflated salary. I'd maybe offer a '17 2nd and an '18 3rd for the pair.

 

[Tripod]

Interesting thought, but not so sure Streit would waive his NTC to go to a lottery team with a defensive logjam, and Read might stay put to fulfill expansion draft requirements. Also not sure why they would consider Rieder given his demands when Konecny is about ready to make the jump.

Reider plays LW correct? That is a need for us. And Konecny might not make the a flyers this year. Essentially, it's moving around salary to better fill our positional needs.

Maybe if our 2nd was 50-60 but it's 30-40 so I'd pass. I wouldn't part with Rieder by himself for that pair of players. They'd be good fits but they aren't really assets. One is old as hell and the other has an out of whack bucks to production ratio for a broke team like us. The fact that Streit's actually salary is so low kind of makes up for Read's inflated salary. I'd maybe offer a '17 2nd and an '18 3rd for the pair.

I think they could fetch more separately. Pick who you want more and offer the 2nd and we are good. We will keep the other and you keep the 3rd.

 

[XX]

Hypothetically speaking, let's assume for a minute that Shattenkirk would be willing to extend with Arizona.

What kind of package of prospects would the Yote's really be willing to part with knowing that the Blues are after higher end Center types. Could any of Strome, Keller or Dvorak be put in play or is Dauphin the best you'd be willing to part with?

MacInnis is probably the best you'd find in a deal. Maybe Merkley. The core big names are off limits.

 

[Jakey53]

And you have Stone, Murphy, Michalek, Schenn and DeAngelo on the right side. The rumor doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

He said top 4. Strome is injured so you basically have Murphy as the lone top 4.

 

[rt]

Reider plays LW correct? That is a need for us. And Konecny might not make the a flyers this year. Essentially, it's moving around salary to better fill our positional needs.



I think they could fetch more separately. Pick who you want more and offer the 2nd and we are good. We will keep the other and you keep the 3rd.

Nah. That 2nd is too early and too valuable for either. If we had Chicago's 2nd or Pittsburgh's 2nd somehow than sure. But I think an Arizona 2nd is too much for Streit or Read. I think most people would agree.

 

[wraparound]

They can have Bieksa for free.

 

[rt]

Of course I am.

Are you?

Are you telling me that no potential trade package containing Shattenkirk and one or more or Steen, Schwartz, Lehtera, Sobotka, Berglund, Stastny, or any of the Blues' innumerable role players or prospects would be sufficient to pry Domi and one of your two primo prospects out of Phoenix? BS.

Shattenkirrk, re-signed, is worth that much alone.
Of course, he's not re-signed, hence the question.

You don't think Alex Steen would help Phoenix's anemic offense?
Are you serious?
He would instantly be the best forward on that team.
Not that I want to see him traded--I'm asking you.
As part of a bigger deal featuring Shattenkirk and Domi, what might interest you. If you say "nothing", then so be it. But don't pretend the question is preposterous.

Nothing

 

[rt]

Hypothetically speaking, let's assume for a minute that Shattenkirk would be willing to extend with Arizona.

What kind of package of prospects would the Yote's really be willing to part with knowing that the Blues are after higher end Center types. Could any of Strome, Keller or Dvorak be put in play or is Dauphin the best you'd be willing to part with?

No chance Strome, Keller, or Dvorak go. Dauphin? Sure. MacInnis? Sure.

 

[pld459666]

I'm an advocate of keeping Klein until we can improve in that area. However I think he'd be a perfect fit for AZ. What would the offer be?

 

[Zac Rinaldo*]

Nah. That 2nd is too early and too valuable for either. If we had Chicago's 2nd or Pittsburgh's 2nd somehow than sure. But I think an Arizona 2nd is too much for Streit or Read. I think most people would agree.

something to re-visit at the deadline. from a pure, in a vacuum perspective, yeah the relative value of the pick is substantial. however, i think the Coyotes would do it for Read given their prospect depth, depending on how close they are to a playoff spot and whether or not Rieder is around as well

 

[rt]

Despres does play the right side.

Pysyk
McCann

For

Rieder
Dahlbeck

This is interesting.

 

[Dbrownss]

No chance Strome, Keller, or Dvorak go. Dauphin? Sure. MacInnis? Sure.

Keller would be my sole target. If he's not available, then I wouldn't have much interest in dealing to Arizona