Friedman: Coyotes gauging the market on Chychrun

[BleedBlue14]

I’d be willing to bet St Louis is making a strong push here given our need for a top 4 LD and Bill Armstrong’s knowledge of our prospect pool.

I’d imagine any trade would have to start with Scott Perunovich and a couple more adds. Would really sting to lose Perunovich. But Given our perceived window and that we have Krug it kind of makes sense. Scandella would also have to be included for cap purposes.

Just kind of spitballing here, but I’d guess a starting point is probably somewhere in
Perunovich + Scandella + (don’t believe cap works out yet here) but then added draft picks etc maybe another higher end prospect in St. Louis organization although outside of Alexandrov I’m not sure whose left from the BA draft era.

 

[rt]

To Yotes:
Bouchard
Holloway
2nd

To Oilers:
Chyc

That needs to be a 1st. And if it is, that might do it.

 

[sens13]

I’d be willing to bet St Louis is making a strong push here given our need for a top 4 LD and Bill Armstrong’s knowledge of our prospect pool.

I’d imagine any trade would have to start with Scott Perunovich and a couple more adds. Would really sting to lose Perunovich. But Given our perceived window and that we have Krug it kind of makes sense. Scandella would also have to be included for cap purposes.

Just kind of spitballing here, but I’d guess a starting point is probably somewhere in
Perunovich + Scandella + (don’t believe cap works out yet here) but then added draft picks etc maybe another higher end prospect in St. Louis organization although outside of Alexandrov I’m not sure whose left from the BA draft era.

Read the last 2 pages. someone already offered something similar.

Not sure why you think that would be fair but maybe you can justify it better than the other guy because even if you added 1st to that not sure why the heck arz would even bother picking up the phone

 

[rt]

I’d be willing to bet St Louis is making a strong push here given our need for a top 4 LD and Bill Armstrong’s knowledge of our prospect pool.

I’d imagine any trade would have to start with Scott Perunovich and a couple more adds. Would really sting to lose Perunovich. But Given our perceived window and that we have Krug it kind of makes sense. Scandella would also have to be included for cap purposes.

Just kind of spitballing here, but I’d guess a starting point is probably somewhere in
Perunovich + Scandella + (don’t believe cap works out yet here) but then added draft picks etc maybe another higher end prospect in St. Louis organization although outside of Alexandrov I’m not sure whose left from the BA draft era.

No.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Read the last 2 pages. someone already offered something similar

not really offering anything as none of us have power to make an offer in the matter lol. I’m just imagining what a framework of a deal would be. The thing that would make the most sense on our end would be something around Perunovich + Scandella and draft picks etc. maybe an added prospect although the rest of our prospects aren’t really high end.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

I'd be ALL over this.

Hoglander
Woo
1st 2023

 

[TML1967]

arz is trading chychrun because there realizing that their rebuild won't even be over by the time chychrun contract's is up. why would they then want to add marner who's contract expires in the same amount of time too. And add to get him? Do you seriously really think arizona would trade guenther?

Not to mention you think arz is just going to add in 16 mil in salary while only 4 is going out.

And no muzzin is heavily overrated by leaf fans. he's already been declining this season and still has 2 years left at 5.5

Marner is owed $8m a year in actual cash to be fair.
Muzzin would, IMO, be flipped in a year or two at the TDL with retention when Arizona has a better understanding of their weak points in the rebuild (do they need to add D,F, or G prospects, who has panned out or sputtered off)
I could see someone like Nick Schmaltz being added as he has looked like crap since signing this deal. His actual $'s owed goes up ever year (the last two years he makes more actual $ than Marner)

And to my original post, not arguing it is going to happen. More that saying any team in the league cant afford a player not named like McDavid, Drai, Mac and maybe Matthews is short sighted.

 

[rt]

To STL
Chychrun
Dzingel

To ARI
Scandella
Kostin
Neighbors
‘22 1st
‘23/‘24 1st (STL’s choice)

 

[BleedBlue14]

No.

that’s fair I’m not trying to sell anything. I’m just basing what I’d imagine a package to be built around. Trading Kyrou or Thomas for Chychrun makes very little sense for either side as they’re about the same age and it’s not really a performance thing for Chychrun it’s just the team isn’t ready to compete and probably won’t be in the near future

 

[sens13]

not really offering anything as none of us have power to make an offer in the matter lol. I’m just imagining what a framework of a deal would be. The thing that would make the most sense on our end would be something around Perunovich + Scandella and draft picks etc. maybe an added prospect although the rest of our prospects aren’t really high end.

that framework isn't anywhere close though. perunovich is a decent prospect but acting like all itwould take is him and some b prospects is laughable.

 

[Look Up]

$$ to pay the back taxes owed has to come from somewhere. AZ will want likely want any trade to revolve primarily around draft picks, since picks don't have a salary yet. Any players coming back in the trade will have to earn significantly less than Chychrun.

 

[BleedBlue14]

To STL
Chychrun
Dzingel

To ARI
Scandella
Kostin
Neighbors
‘22 1st
‘23/‘24 1st (STL’s choice)

Thats very doable as well. I just figured from the outside that Perunovich was valued more than Neighbors as I think personally he has a lot higher of a ceiling

 

[93gilmour93]

So is it fair to say since Arizona doesn’t want to pay any big money contracts that any return for JC will be contracts under 2 million dollars and draft picks?

 

[Seattlebjprice]

that framework isn't anywhere close though. perunovich is a decent prospect but acting like all itwould take is him and some b prospects is laughable.

ok so what you want is the biggest return for a defenseman of the modern era even though that defenseman is not top 10 in the league cool.

 

[BleedBlue14]

that framework isn't anywhere close though. perunovich is a decent prospect but acting like all itwould take is him and some b prospects is laughable.

For the sake of simplicity I just labeled draft picks as picks. I was imagining a first and a second at minimum in there. More likely than not a couple firsts and a 3rd

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Eat 50% of his contract and the Leafs will pay the coyotes bills for the next 10 years.

 

[izzy]

To STL
Chychrun
Dzingel

To ARI
Scandella
Kostin
Neighbors
‘22 1st
‘23/‘24 1st (STL’s choice)

I can mostly live with this, but it would be tough. I’d say the other 1st would need to be a second, or a 1st conditional on his play after the trade to make me not demoralized

Not Dzingel though, would need to be another contract like Galchenyuk or something

 

[StickShift]

Boeser + Klimovich + Jurmo + 2nd

Without even commenting on the quality of that offer....

Chychrun is a LD and doesn't fit with the Canucks needs at all. Hughes and OEL aren't going anywhere any time soon.

 

[sens13]

ok so what you want is the biggest return for a defenseman of the modern era even though that defenseman is not top 10 in the league cool.

WTF. where did I say that?

If you think petrovhich+ some b prospects is some big package [MOD]

chyhcrun will go for the equivalent of 4 1sts. You've offered like one 1st

 

[Setec Astronomy]

To NJ: Chychrun
To Ari: Ty Smith, Ohutyuk (apparently Arizona coach loves him), 1st rounder - condition if pick is in top 2, NJ gets one of Arizona's first rounder outside of top ten

 

[Seattlebjprice]

WTF. where did I say that?

If you think petrovhich+ some b prospects is some big package [MOD]

chyhcrun will go for the equivalent of 4 1sts. You've offered like one 1st

please go review all defenseman trades past 20 years. Ty. I did. I looked at every single one. That’s why I have my opinion.

 

[rt]

I can mostly live with this, but it would be tough. I’d say the other 1st would need to be a second, or a 1st conditional on his play after the trade to make me not demoralized

Not Dzingel though, would need to be another contract like Galchenyuk or something

You should want Dzingel rather than Galchenyuk. Dzingel has played with a ton of passion on a really bad team. Kid goes hard as anyone. As a Kostin replacement he’s better, I think. I’d be fine with Galchenyuk being the guy, though, if that’s what you want. Just trying to be helpful.

 

[sens13]

please go review all defenseman trades past 20 years. Ty. I did. I looked at every single one. That’s why I have my opinion.

Did you miss the seth jones one that happened like 4 months ago?

Again chychrun is unique as there have not been players like him traded in the past.

You can't even seem to grasp that point.

 

[rt]

So is it fair to say since Arizona doesn’t want to pay any big money contracts that any return for JC will be contracts under 2 million dollars and draft picks?

No. That’s got zero to do with it.

 

[rt]

Thats very doable as well. I just figured from the outside that Perunovich was valued more than Neighbors as I think personally he has a lot higher of a ceiling

Nah. I’d rather have Neighbors than Perunovich. Even if Perunovich came with a 2nd, I’d take Neighbors.