Post-Game Talk: Coyotes at Rangers 3/24/14

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Marty has surprisingly been bailing them out, keeping them in games they have zero business playing in, and every fan knows it.

Lastly, there's Cory Schneider in the net... Don't think I've ever seen him stop a shootout goal this year. Would you trust him as your starter? I sure as hell would not.

I'll begin by saying that I agree with your overall sentiment about New Jersey. It's time for that team to suck for a number of years.

What I don't agree with is your assessment of Schneider. He is the one bright spot on that team looking to the future. But I sure as hell won't blame him if he bolts as soon as possible. His numbers are almost all better than Brodeur's:

Brodeur: GP: 35 W: 17 GAA: 2.51 SV%: 902 Shootout Record: 0-3 4ga, 7 saves

Schneider: GP: 38 W: 14 GAA: 2.14 SV% 914 Shootout record: 0-5, 7ga, 7 saves

On the whole Schneider has been a bright spot on a terrible team. That gaa is impressive, and the sv%, while not incredible, is pretty solid given how weak the NJ defence is. He's played more games than Brodeur so he clearly isn't getting sheltered minutes. It's odd that he has less wins than Brodeur, but when you look at the numbers you can't blame that on Cory. Granted his SO numbers aren't great, but 5 games isn't a huge sample size.

On his career Schneids has a .924 sv% and a 2.18 GAA. He's one of the brightest young goaltenders
in the league.
 
You are correct, doesn't seem to be very well enforced though.

It's not an official rule I believe, but is right on the cusp and will most likely get deleted if reported.

I don't call Devils "Debbies" or Islanders "Piles" but that has to do less with respect and more with me just thinking it sounds dumb. "Rags", IMO is offensive, since to me it has to do with...well use your imagination.

What really boggles my mind is how some Ranger fans say Rags. :shakehead
 
Obviously i'm happy we won the game, but we gotta be better early in games. We most liklely would have lost this game had Smith not become injured.

Which goal was Smith stopping? MAYBE the 2nd goal, but McDonagh was alone in front of the net and at that point it was in OT. Greise (sp?) is the only reason this game wasn't lost in regulation. After the tying goal he stopped Nash on a great save and Dorsett twice point blank. He was actually great, this loss for them had nothing to do with the Smith injury unless they hung their heads after losing Smith, but then they're mentally weak to begin with.
 
It's not an official rule I believe, but is right on the cusp and will most likely get deleted if reported.

I don't call Devils "Debbies" or Islanders "Piles" but that has to do less with respect and more with me just thinking it sounds dumb. "Rags", IMO is offensive, since to me it has to do with...well use your imagination.

What really boggles my mind is how some Ranger fans say Rags. :shakehead

Just your typical people not thinking about what they're saying.
 
The two goals we scored after Smith got hurt, we would've scored on any goaltender.

One is simply a perfect deflection, can't do anything about it.

The second, McD is alone on top of the goal tender. What would Smith have done differently? What would any goaltender have done differently? It was a bang bang play, no time to react and move.
 
We won this game because of our play, not because of Smith leaving the game. This wasn't the Coyotes pressuring us and us getting a dirty, chippy, goal. We owned the pace after that. Maybe the Coyotes players gave up after Smith left but that's their problem. We were bringing the pressure from there on out.
 
One of the funniest places to read comments about hockey in general is Facebook. There was actually a guy who said, "I love McDonagh! Let's go Rags!!"

I was like, "Please, murder yourself immediately."

That's the nice thing with ******, you control the content you want to see. With facebook it's just blah and bunch of idiots.

The ignore feature is very useful around these parts as well lol.

Edit: ******* a swear word? Interesting.
 
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Spot on Snowblind, at least imo.

I'm not quite sure why McD gave OEL so much room, but it was certainly way too much room that allowed OEL (a fantastic skater in his own right) to skate by and get a shot off. I think McD just misread the play.

I'll look at some highlights, see if he actually stumbled.

Offensively, the guy is absolutely dynamite. He is SOOOO good at handling the puck and creating lanes to shoot to (he can stick handle really well in tight spots). His skating affords him SO many opportunities and allows him to take a lot more risks than most players, he'll rarely get burned.

Honestly, he just needs to keep doing what he is doing. His shot could be slightly more accurate (I remember a chance where he was like 10ft out right in front of the net, where I thought he should've scored. Not sure if it was deflected or not), slightly stronger.

He has a very good outlet pass. I think he needs to become slightly more creative and connecting on higher risk passes.

But these are all things that he has been doing and improving on, I have no doubt he will keep improving every facet of his game.

Edit: Replays don't afford a good angle. I think OEL sneaked up on him on his left side and he misread the play.

He might have stumbled for a sec but I think he gave OEL a lot of room before that, Joe mentioned everyone going to the center, I think it was just a misread, oh well, it'll happen.

Regarding his offense that's exactly what I see. He is so good getting great chances in front but his accuracy can improve, he misses the net a lot. However, just shooting lanes he creates are amazing. It reminds of great scorers in the NBA. You won't score every time by taking it to the basket, you need to be able to create your own shot. There's a reason some guys are spot up shooters and some guys are scorers. A guy like McCabe when he got here was like Steve Novak, a spot up shooter, McDonagh is Melo. If the guy ever improve his accuracy he'll be a perennial 50 point scorer, he's got an outside shot of that now.
 
The coyotes only have themselves to blame for going into a shell and trying to eek out a 1 goal win. We took the game to them and eventually they cracked.

They did what we would very often do under Torts. Start throwing the puck away and making 'safe' plays.... the safest play is controlling the damn puck.
 
That's the nice thing with ******, you control the content you want to see. With facebook it's just blah and bunch of idiots.

The ignore feature is very useful around these parts as well lol.

Edit: ******* a swear word? Interesting.

:laugh: It's a no-no word, yeah.

But I saw what you meant, and yeah I don't ever go on that site, but i know what you mean.
 
I read 2 ****ing posts about how we only won this game because Smith got injured. Seriously, 1 person I understand, but was I watching a different game. Stop the ****ing hating. The tying goal was a perfect deflection over the pad, Jesus ****ing Christ isn't stopping that. Then Griese made at least 3 FANTASTIC saves in regulation. It's not out of the question that Griese got them a point Smith wouldn't have (maybe Smith doesn't make those saves). Then McDonagh is all alone in front of the net off a one timed slap shot, I suppose Griese could have been better with the rebound there, but that wasn't his fault. If Smith were there and stopped that we could have won either way because we were in OT and at that point all bets are off. But Griese gave up a goal he had no chance on in the 3rd and made 3 fantastic saves at least to get his team a point. Stop the hate. Are you guys Rangers fans or what? You can't even credit the team?
 
I'll begin by saying that I agree with your overall sentiment about New Jersey. It's time for that team to suck for a number of years.

What I don't agree with is your assessment of Schneider. He is the one bright spot on that team looking to the future. But I sure as hell won't blame him if he bolts as soon as possible. His numbers are almost all better than Brodeur's:

Brodeur: GP: 35 W: 17 GAA: 2.51 SV%: 902 Shootout Record: 0-3 4ga, 7 saves

Schneider: GP: 38 W: 14 GAA: 2.14 SV% 914 Shootout record: 0-5, 7ga, 7 saves

On the whole Schneider has been a bright spot on a terrible team. That gaa is impressive, and the sv%, while not incredible, is pretty solid given how weak the NJ defence is. He's played more games than Brodeur so he clearly isn't getting sheltered minutes. It's odd that he has less wins than Brodeur, but when you look at the numbers you can't blame that on Cory. Granted his SO numbers aren't great, but 5 games isn't a huge sample size.

On his career Schneids has a .924 sv% and a 2.18 GAA. He's one of the brightest young goaltenders
in the league.

Thanks for pulling that stat up... I only checked his stats for the Devils this year... I guess he's better than I thought. When you consider what they paid for him (what was it a 5th round pick?)

I had based that on his play from my viewpoint, however it could be because Marty knows this team better, hence why he looks better when he's trying to bail them out. I don't often see Schneider keeping the devils in games, but that may just be me because I don't think the stats lie. I DO however know that Schneider is easily sniped on... he does let goals in that he should be stopping... but he's no Steve mason or Ray Emery, that's for sure.

The coyotes only have themselves to blame for going into a shell and trying to eek out a 1 goal win. We took the game to them and eventually they cracked.

They did what we would very often do under Torts. Start throwing the puck away and making 'safe' plays.... the safest play is controlling the damn puck.

Yeah, Yotes tried to win on a goal they didn't even score. That's torts hockey, and my god. If I was a yotes fan, holy hell...

on another note, their last 4-on-3 power play.... was the Rangers PK really that good in blocking the passing and shooting lanes, or is the Yotes PP that bad? I want to say the former over the latter, but I don't think I saw them even attempt one decent shot on it
 
Thanks for pulling that stat up... I only checked his stats for the Devils this year... I guess he's better than I thought. When you consider what they paid for him (what was it a 5th round pick?)

I had based that on his play from my viewpoint, however it could be because Marty knows this team better, hence why he looks better when he's trying to bail them out. I don't often see Schneider keeping the devils in games, but that may just be me because I don't think the stats lie.



Yeah, Yotes tried to win on a goal they didn't even score. That's torts hockey, and my god. If I was a yotes fan, holy hell...

on another note, their last 4-on-3 power play.... was the Rangers PK really that good in blocking the passing and shooting lanes, or is the Yotes PP that bad? I want to say the former over the latter, but I don't think I saw them even attempt one decent shot on it

That was our PK imo, we played them really well after the first PPG we gave up. Hank came up big when he should have.

Phoenix is no joke on the PP, top 5 in the league. Credit to the guys to shutting them down after the first goal on the PP.
 
The two goals we scored after Smith got hurt, we would've scored on any goaltender.

One is simply a perfect deflection, can't do anything about it.

The second, McD is alone on top of the goal tender. What would Smith have done differently? What would any goaltender have done differently? It was a bang bang play, no time to react and move.

We definitely earned the victory, but it's impossible to say what would have happened with another goaltender in net. Different body size, different positioning, different angling, different directioning of the rebound, are all things that could have been different with another goaltender, not just Mike Smith, in net.

Not trying to argue with you, but it's always bugged me when announcers say the goaltender had no chance. There's always a chance. However slim, there's always a chance. The goaltender isn't always to blame, but there's always an opportunity to be setup differently, or react differently, and make a huge save. I assume it's just the announcers way of saying it's not the goalie's fault.

For all we know smith swallows up Girardi's shot and doesn't allow a rebound at all...

We definitely earned the victory with the way we responded after that brutal first period.

Edit: and I totally agree with Snowblind's comment a few posts later. For all we know Yotes lose in regulation if Smith is still in net.
 
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We definitely earned the victory, but it's impossible to say what would have happened with another goaltender in net. Different body size, different positioning, different angling, different directioning of the rebound, are all things that could have been different with another goaltender, not just Mike Smith, in net.

Not trying to argue with you, but it's always bugged me when announcers say the goaltender had no chance. There's always a chance. However slim, there's always a chance. The goaltender isn't always to blame, but there's always an opportunity to be setup differently, or react differently, and make a huge save.

For all we know smith swallows up Girardi's shot and doesn't allow a rebound at all...

We definitely earned the victory with the way we responded after that brutal first period.

I mean, of course, technically you're right. There's no way of knowing, anything could've happened.

I guess what would be more correct to say is that the goals we scored on Greiss were of high caliber/quality, ones that weren't due to poor play of a back up.
 
on another note, their last 4-on-3 power play.... was the Rangers PK really that good in blocking the passing and shooting lanes, or is the Yotes PP that bad? I want to say the former over the latter, but I don't think I saw them even attempt one decent shot on it

Phoenix has the best PP in the western conference. Their PP is very good, run by Yandle and also Ribiero is a good set up man, Vrbata has a good shot. The Rangers' PK is just very strong, very active sticks good positioning to get in lanes and willingness to block shots.
 
As far as the Devils fans go. It's really sad and pathetic. It's kinda cute to me how they hate us and how little we care about them. They're like little kids throwing tantrums over there.
 
As far as the Devils fans go. It's really sad and pathetic. It's kinda cute to me how they hate us and how little we care about them. They're like little kids throwing tantrums over there.

Most of them ARE little kids that can't think rationally.
 
Phoenix has the best PP in the western conference. Their PP is very good, run by Yandle and also Ribiero is a good set up man, Vrbata has a good shot. The Rangers' PK is just very strong, very active sticks good positioning to get in lanes and willingness to block shots.

It completely blows my mind how the PK got a lot better after we traded Callahan but MSL isn't doing that well. It's like bizzaro world. The one thing I was worried about (PK) got better and the one thing that I wasn't worried about (MSL scoring) went to ****.
 
I mean, of course, technically you're right. There's no way of knowing, anything could've happened.

I guess what would be more correct to say is that the goals we scored on Greiss were of high caliber/quality, ones that weren't due to poor play of a back up.

Totally agree.

I don't have the stats to back it up, but from my experiences watching hockey, rarely does the backup come in mid game due to an injury and cost his team the game. It happens when the starter gets yanked becAuse he's sucking, but often he's yanked for a reason (the game is out of reach so the rest of the team stops competing, or the other team is that much better that they're going to keep on scoring regardless).

I know the mindset as a fan is always, 'oh the starter is injured the backup is coming in, we're going to take advantage here.' But rarely do I see it work out that way. Tonight was similar. After a few minutes of play I thought for sure Greiss was going to shut the door on us.

But when we finally solved him it wasn't because he was a crappy backup (which he may very well be) but because we worked hard and created quality chances.
 

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