Coyotes 2021 Roster Discussion

[Mosby]

An Edmonton fan suggested Adam Larsson for Raanta. Umm, yes.

 

[Grimes]

An Edmonton fan suggested Adam Larsson for Raanta. Umm, yes.

Get it done now.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

An Edmonton fan suggested Adam Larsson for Raanta. Umm, yes.

Heck yah. Give him a trial run. If he does well in the top 4 give him a long term deal.

Plus I really want an Ekman Larsson Larsson line to work.

 

[rt]

An Edmonton fan suggested Adam Larsson for Raanta. Umm, yes.

Yes!

 

[moosemeister]

I’d retain 50 for Raanta and Larsson

 

[hbk]

Fan trades aren’t worth discussing. There is no way Tippett would allow the Oilers to worsen their already pathetic defense.

 

[hbk]

I see Brandon Perlini signs in Switzerland. Out of the league.

 

[TheLegend]

CapFriendly lists Antti Raanta on IR. Man, shocked! Seriously though if true, I feel awful for the guy.

Tocchet said he’ll be ready Tuesday.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Fan trades aren’t worth discussing. There is no way Tippett would allow the Oilers to worsen their already pathetic defense.

Goligoski and Raanta both 50% retained for Larsson and a 3rd.

Tippett gets his buddy from Dallas who he recruited to AZ.

 

[_Del_]

No real interest in helping Edmonton unless we get something worth our while back. Raanta isn't hurting anyone.

 

[RABBIT]

Makes you wonder if “giving Hill a chance at backup” was BA keeping him out of the lineup just in case something happened

 

[Jakey53]

Depends on how you define adequate.
Edit: Curious as to just why in the hell Schmaltz is surprising you, or anyone for that matter. IDK, maybe I’m a savant, I remember being blown away by Greg Adam’s at NAU and teammates would be “yeah, he’s okay”.... well the Devils must of felt like me, when they signed him after that year.

Surprising me as a C. He gets points on the wing, but I thought he would get eaten alive at C. 56% FOW's is fantastic. Last year 43%.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

I see Brandon Perlini signs in Switzerland. Out of the league.

worst hockey iq in recent memory? Never quite seen someone who's about as close as a "five-tool" player in the NHL be so bad

 

[Mosby]

Goligoski and Raanta both 50% retained for Larsson and a 3rd.

Tippett gets his buddy from Dallas who he recruited to AZ.

Edmonton is on GoGo’s no-go list.

Nah I can do better.

Edmonton is on Goose’s no-fly zone.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

worst hockey iq in recent memory? Never quite seen someone who's about as close as a "five-tool" player in the NHL be so bad

I think his hockey IQ was okay - I just don't think he really had a passion to be a top-flight NHL player.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Its not about this year Jakey, its about the contract they were given long before earning them. Look back at signing time and make the case for either contract. They should both have been either bridged or signed for at least a million less, that money would be nice to have to upgrade the roster.

The fallacy in that thinking is if a bridge deal includes a breakout season, that does not mean that he will be signed to a similar deal as what he signed. Waiting and seeing someone perform under a bridge deal could turn a $5.85 M AAV into $7 M or more per year, which means other flipping.

That difference could mean not being able to sign Brassard, as an example.

 

[Jamieh]

The fallacy in that thinking is if a bridge deal includes a breakout season, that does not mean that he will be signed to a similar deal as what he signed. Waiting and seeing someone perform under a bridge deal could turn a $5.85 M AAV into $7 M or more per year, which means other flipping.

That difference could mean not being able to sign Brassard, as an example.

That bigger contract would be 3, 4, or even 5 years down the road. It isn't hindsight for me, I said it from day 1. When you make bets and at best break even your Cap pays the price, and here we are. Wonder who we could sign with a million each back from 3 players,?? I'd prefer to pay the proven rate rather than bet too often. YMMV

 

[rt]

Goligoski and Raanta both 50% retained for Larsson and a 3rd.

Tippett gets his buddy from Dallas who he recruited to AZ.

Edmonton is on Goligoski's No Trade List. Also, Larsson is struggling quite a bit. This would be a pretty big gamble, so I'm not sure involving other pieces or retention or what have you, is all that necessary.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Fan trades aren’t worth discussing. There is no way Tippett would allow the Oilers to worsen their already pathetic defense.

That’s why it’s funny

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I see Brandon Perlini signs in Switzerland. Out of the league.

Maybe he can find a “real market” there.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Surprising me as a C. He gets points on the wing, but I thought he would get eaten alive at C. 56% FOW's is fantastic. Last year 43%.

Got me with the face offs, that has been an incredible surprise thus far - kid musta worked his AZ off.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

The fallacy in that thinking is if a bridge deal includes a breakout season, that does not mean that he will be signed to a similar deal as what he signed. Waiting and seeing someone perform under a bridge deal could turn a $5.85 M AAV into $7 M or more per year, which means other flipping.

That difference could mean not being able to sign Brassard, as an example.

Agreed, always surprised by the Chayka hate for these two contracts. Covid aside, prices normally go up - both safe contracts IMO.

 

[_Del_]

I'd rather get a prospect like McLeod or Samorukov or Neimalainen, etc than a third or a Larsson rental.

 

[BUX7PHX]

That bigger contract would be 3, 4, or even 5 years down the road. It isn't hindsight for me, I said it from day 1. When you make bets and at best break even your Cap pays the price, and here we are. Wonder who we could sign with a million each back from 3 players,?? I'd prefer to pay the proven rate rather than bet too often. YMMV

Not every long term deal that was signed was done 5 years in advance of when a player can't use bridge deals any longer. Your point is justified if we did so when players are 19 or 20. Keller signed long term at age 21. Dvorak at 22. I see no fault in locking up players, especially since Arizona has long had players that sign long term consistently

The other piece that you may forget is let's say we sign Schmaltz to a 7 year deal at age 25. For shits and giggles, let's say that it is for the same value on the deal. $5.85 M at age 32 could very well be overpaying on the downside of his career. Brassard made $5 M at 32 and is at $1 M at age 33. Has Goligoski lived up to his contract over the last 3 seasons? Players like Turris come to mind where once players hit their 30s, you have to be prepared for a likely dropoff.

I guess that my thought is kind of like the idea of chasing the game. If you don't get a little ahead on the contract side of things, you may be chasing an expectation of a player that is not as likely to happen. If a mistake is to be made on a long term, high dollar deal for 7 years, much better to do have the player from age 22 to 29, where you are likely getting the peak ROI, whereas if you are paying from 25 to 32, that ROI in the last few years might be diminished to the point that carrying the contract is not acceptable, and by waiting to sign for what the player has shown, it might cost more than what was signed for had it been done 3 years prior, as alluded to earlier.

Planning out the contract for the proper shelf life of a player is not easy, but having the foresight to do so before the price hits the peak can only help the process of putting the roster together.

 

[Jakey53]

Got me with the face offs, that has been an incredible surprise thus far - kid musta worked his AZ off.

I have to take my hat off to him.