Speculation: Coyotes 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion Thread #2

[Tom Polakis]

His kids are still in the valley at last check so I think it would take a lot for him to move away at this point. He doesn't have anything to prove and injuries are starting to catch up to him.

Yeah, the story mentioned that he plans to stick around here for another school year for his kids.

 

[Jakey53]

This is where with disagree. I might be crazy but I believe we have the talent to make the playoffs. I like the team skill we have on paper. I really believe the lack of system and expectations has brought us to the point where we are at.

If our players can regain their confidence and play as a unit we can be successful. I also believe we need to give Soda lite and Hayton a shot. They have the skills, they just need some belief and a system they can play in.

I think rt is saying we lack talent if we move Garland, Kuemper, OEL and Kessel.

 

[Jakey53]

Waaaaaay too early to start judging the team for this coming season imo. Armstrong hasn't even started building the roster we'll see for the opener. He can go a lot of different directions. A huge part of it will be what he can/can't get for OEL, Kessel and whoever else he decides needs to go. Then the draft, expansion draft and FA. I'd like to see Tampa finish it off tomorrow so we can get the offseason going full steam. Then we can start talking about actual moves that will affect the upcoming season and beyond.

I agree. None of us have any idea what BA is thinking.

 

[Dead Coyote]

This is another year where I feel it's a testing year and a taking a look at what we have. The only things I think are important are signing Garland and Bunting. I want both of them back on the team. I would also take Gogo if he wants to take a discount, but he won't and we all know that. If OEL leaves I won't be shocked or disappointed, and hopefully we can get something for him. But if we're talking about selling high, OEL's value is in the dumps. A bounceback year would do a lot for his trade value. Or at that point perhaps we can just keep him if he decides he actually wants to play for us.

Non move wise, the only other thing I want to see is Hayton getting significant ice time, as a center, in between two players with good offensive instincts. Schmaltz, Keller, Kessel, Garland, whoever. Put him in a position to succeed. If he doesn't succeed, give him some more time on the 3rd or 4th line with players like Grabner or Larsson (I know Grabner isn't with us, I just mean that type of player). Then we can evaluate at the end of the season when he's played a full season. Cause it's time, 100%, to give him a spot and tell him to prove it.

 

[Schemp]

His kids are still in the valley at last check so I think it would take a lot for him to move away at this point. He doesn't have anything to prove and injuries are starting to catch up to him.

I thought that I read awhile back (right after the Coyote season ended) that his ex took the kids to Sweden. I don't know if it is a summer thing or permanent.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I thought that I read awhile back (right after the Coyote season ended) that his ex took the kids to Sweden. I don't know if it is a summer thing or permanent.

We need to start acquiring assets. Our AHL talent is by all accounts poor. You can’t rebuild the prospect pool without trading mature talent, given the Chatha punishment.

 

[zerekstar]

I have high expectations for Tourigny and believe he will cause players that want to try, to reach the next level. Arizona has been screwing up in developing players for a long time and so I wonder if the price was cheap, if we should try to bring back a guy like Strome and let Tourigny give him another shot. I know he is slow but maybe he can be utilized in other ways cause the kid does have talent. Maybe a smart coach can figure it out and turn him back into a good player.

 

[Jakey53]

This is another year where I feel it's a testing year and a taking a look at what we have. The only things I think are important are signing Garland and Bunting. I want both of them back on the team. I would also take Gogo if he wants to take a discount, but he won't and we all know that. If OEL leaves I won't be shocked or disappointed, and hopefully we can get something for him. But if we're talking about selling high, OEL's value is in the dumps. A bounceback year would do a lot for his trade value. Or at that point perhaps we can just keep him if he decides he actually wants to play for us.

Non move wise, the only other thing I want to see is Hayton getting significant ice time, as a center, in between two players with good offensive instincts. Schmaltz, Keller, Kessel, Garland, whoever. Put him in a position to succeed. If he doesn't succeed, give him some more time on the 3rd or 4th line with players like Grabner or Larsson (I know Grabner isn't with us, I just mean that type of player). Then we can evaluate at the end of the season when he's played a full season. Cause it's time, 100%, to give him a spot and tell him to prove it.

BA evaluated the team last year, and that is one of the reasons RT is not here. BA mentioned that just before TTD that the players deserved to stay together because of the way they were playing, so BA also has evaluated the players. BA wants to make this his time now. Time will tell if he will be successful or not.

 

[AZviaNJ]

NHL Expansion lists are due July 17…..less than 2 weeks and counting. I hope BA is ready to pull the trigger on a Kuemper deal as losing Kuemper or Hill would be massive expansion list mismanagement.

 

[Mangosteen]

If we expose Hill why do you think he will be taken? Is it because they need to take a Yote and he’s the best of what we expose? Will Hill be that large of a loss?

 

[moosemeister]

If we expose Hill why do you think he will be taken? Is it because they need to take a Yote and he’s the best of what we expose? Will Hill be that large of a loss?

He wouldn’t be THAT big of a loss. I think there are better goalies on the market this summer.

I’d prefer AZ traded Kuemper for an asset of course.

Gonna be a fun two weeks until the draft

 

[AZviaNJ]

If we expose Hill why do you think he will be taken? Is it because they need to take a Yote and he’s the best of what we expose? Will Hill be that large of a loss?

It’s because we have one of the 10 worst rosters in the NHL currently and the other Seattle options would likely be a 3rd or 4th line winger from this roster. Kuemper or Hill should bring value in a trade…losing a decent asset from a poor roster is mismanagement.

 

[Jakey53]

It’s because we have one of the 10 worst rosters in the NHL currently and the other Seattle options would likely be a 3rd or 4th line winger from this roster. Kuemper or Hill should bring value in a trade…losing a decent asset from a poor roster is mismanagement.

Hill won't bring much in a trade.

 

[rt]

This is another year where I feel it's a testing year and a taking a look at what we have. The only things I think are important are signing Garland and Bunting. I want both of them back on the team. I would also take Gogo if he wants to take a discount, but he won't and we all know that. If OEL leaves I won't be shocked or disappointed, and hopefully we can get something for him. But if we're talking about selling high, OEL's value is in the dumps. A bounceback year would do a lot for his trade value. Or at that point perhaps we can just keep him if he decides he actually wants to play for us.

Non move wise, the only other thing I want to see is Hayton getting significant ice time, as a center, in between two players with good offensive instincts. Schmaltz, Keller, Kessel, Garland, whoever. Put him in a position to succeed. If he doesn't succeed, give him some more time on the 3rd or 4th line with players like Grabner or Larsson (I know Grabner isn't with us, I just mean that type of player). Then we can evaluate at the end of the season when he's played a full season. Cause it's time, 100%, to give him a spot and tell him to prove it.

Why is it time to give Hayton a spot? He didn’t even perform in the AHL.

 

[Jakey53]

Why is it time to give Hayton a spot? He didn’t even perform in the AHL.

AT said he will tell the players to forget the past that this will be a fresh start. So, who knows.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

According to an Athletic article: "Eichel suffered a herniated disk in his neck in March and disagreed with the Sabres' medical opinion - and a second opinion - that rest was the best recovery option."
"Multiple neurosurgeons convinced his camp that artificial disk replacement would heal him in two to three months." "The Sabres balked at the surgery saying it has never been done on an NHL player, which created a disconnect that seems certain to end in divorce."
Having read the above and having had two artificial discs (don't know why author kept spelling with "k") implanted, I can tell you I'm in Jacks corner and wish I would / could have done the surgery 35 years ago. I also have no reservations about Jacks ability to play post surgery, after having taken some pretty solid blows, since my surgery over three years ago.
To not do something because it's never been done to an NHL player is not only not progressive, but foolish. If Jack doesn't do this it will be a chronic issue for him.

 

[Heldig]

It is a HUGE risk for any team to trade for Eichel until he has recovered - either thru rest or the surgery.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

It is a HUGE risk for any team to trade for Eichel until he has recovered - either thru rest or the surgery.

knowing what his condition is and what he's up against has eliminated my concerns and they were HUGE. Jack's camp wants to address it for the long term and be done with it, the Sabres' are fools.
Edit: The only concern I have remaining is the recovery time frame. The bone of the vertebrae needs to grow and adhere to the discs, it does not take as long as a fusion, but it's certainly necessary for full recovery. Apparently this is one level of correction, not only does that make it a lessor deal, it is worth consideration (for Eichel) that doing the ADR now, will help prevent problems for the discs above and below the currently affected level.

 

[Heldig]

knowing what his condition is and what he's up against has eliminated my concerns and they were HUGE. Jack's camp wants to address it for the long term and be done with it, the Sabres' are fools.

Yes BUT given the ask (which is a ridiculous ask, mind you) I imagine ALL GM's are wanting confirmation the surgery has worked before selling the farm for him.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Bone growth mentioned above: The discs have teeth in them and actually "set" to a degree in the vertebrae. A fusion uses plates and screws and a filler/spacer that requires much more bone growth and reduces movement in the neck, forever.
There are many artificial discs out there, this is the most popular and only one FDA approved for up to two levels of ADR Mobi-C
This one has been the most popular in Europe and appears it may have just gained approval in the U.S. M6-C Artificial Cervical Disc – US Only – Orthofix – US

 

[Heldig]

Bone growth mentioned above: The discs have teeth in them and actually "set" to a degree in the vertebrae. A fusion uses plates and screws and a filler/spacer that requires much more bone growth and reduces movement in the neck, forever.
There are many artificial discs out there, this is the most popular and only one FDA approved for up to two levels of ADR Mobi-C
This one has been the most popular in Europe and appears it may have just gained approval in the U.S. M6-C Artificial Cervical Disc – US Only – Orthofix – US

I understand the basics of the procedure. I still want to know it was successful FIRST. It is invasive surgery and that comes with risks. What if Eichel falls in the 2% or so that has loss of sensation following the procedure?

 

[XX]

If we expose Hill why do you think he will be taken? Is it because they need to take a Yote and he’s the best of what we expose? Will Hill be that large of a loss?

He's young and cheap, having already shown stater potential with good result on an awful team. Seattle is required to select three goalies. There aren't three better than Hill given all of that, especially as Seattle appears to be taking a more long term approach vs what Vegas did.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I understand the basics of the procedure. I still want to know it was successful FIRST. It is invasive surgery and that comes with risks. What if Eichel falls in the 2% or so that has loss of sensation following the procedure?

I just posted in case there was general interest, not directed at you. I understand your trepidation and am not saying you're necessarily incorrect. I just don't have the same concern. Mostly I was just pleased to find out info on just what was going on.

 

[RABBIT]

GM Bill Armstrong yesterday, don’t know how I missed this:



Takeaways:

- Both answers he gives are very “GM-like” answers

- When asked about Garland: He compliments his game in more ways than one and says they are “working through” the negotiations. Says the process comes into play when a player jumps from an RFA contract to making significant money, and that’s what they have to work through. Called Conor a “big part” of the team and will continue to “work all summer” to make sure that continues.

- When asked about OEL: Says he’s the captain of the team “for now.” Calls him and “elite defenseman” and a “heck of a player,” but says he would not be doing his job if he weren’t always looking to improve his team.

The answers has very different responses if you read between the lines. While being extremely vague, it seems that they want to keep Garland without paying him too much and that an OEL trade is inevitable.

 

[RemoAZ]

GM Bill Armstrong yesterday, don’t know how I missed this:



Takeaways:

- Both answers he gives are very “GM-like” answers

- When asked about Garland: He compliments his game in more ways than one and says they are “working through” the negotiations. Says the process comes into play when a player jumps from an RFA contract to making significant money, and that’s what they have to work through. Called Conor a “big part” of the team and will continue to “work all summer” to make sure that continues.

- When asked about OEL: Says he’s the captain of the team “for now.” Calls him and “elite defenseman” and a “heck of a player,” but says he would not be doing his job if he weren’t always looking to improve his team.

The answers has very different responses if you read between the lines. While being extremely vague, it seems that they want to keep Garland without paying him too much and that an OEL trade is inevitable.

I got what I expected out of that. They're going to work out a contract with Garland and OEL will be traded if they get good value. He called OEL an elite defenseman and our captain multiple times. I'm not expecting him to get dumped for what most of the crowd on this board thinks.