Lindberg
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Nobody cares that he's cleared. All NHL GMs are going to want to see him play for a few months.
Value of: Couturier to BOS
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Nobody cares that he's cleared. All NHL GMs are going to want to see him play for a few months.
Lindberg
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The Flyers are in a position to be risky with Couturier. Recouping quality assets is pretty important and while burying him on LTIR isn't great it's also not a show stopper.
If Michkov isn't coming over for the next few years it's really not that relevant. The Flyers really do need to be bad anyways for the next two~three years to get some high end draft talent (top 5).
A 50% healthy Couturier with 4 years left on his deal isn't going to bury this team. A team that keeps drafting 10-15 at the draft will though.
BrindamoursNose
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That is crazy small time thinking.
I'm a Flyers fan and it's clear that Couturier is far from a grand slam being what he was, especially for the majority of his new contract.
No one is going to trade anything of value for Couturier right this second. The product is stale until he proves otherwise.
Lindberg
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When do you think the Flyers should be competitive by?
If the Flyers are truly a SC contender in 3 years, Couturier at 50% off is a tradeable asset while shipping off picks attached with him. Not ideal but throwing away top talent because of injuries is dumb. Quality 200 ft centers aren't usually moved.
Should be would else is Philly offering. He needs to show he can still play at his contract level.
BrindamoursNose
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That's not the measure of trade value. But regardless, we (I think) agree trading Couturier isn't the move because he doesn't have the value you want to extract right now.
ponder719
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Ah, this might be the issue. I have no reason to expect the Flyers will be competing for the Cup in Michkov's rookie year. We're going to need more time, and more assets, than that, to be competitive, and given the state of the league, the most rational way to collect assets is to receive them along with bad contracts in exchange for cap space. IF a trade is there where Boston is willing to assume the risk of his health, and give the Flyers some level of asset in exchange, that allows us the flexibility to take on other, shorter bad contracts, bring in assets with them, and end up with a cleaner cap when we get closer to our actual cup window, without having to pay assets to move Couts. If that trade doesn't exist, so be it, but that's the time frame and the asset strategy I think we're best positioned to aim for.
Lindberg
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Knowing when your team should be competitive and making decisions based on that is very important. If the Flyers truly believe what Danny B has said then they should take the position of holding Couturier to see what assets can be retrieved if he's healthy. I doubt his NMC clause would matter to Boston if he's healthy and I doubt it's something Couturier wouldn't waive.
This really comes down to your risk aversion. Are people willing to take the risks that he's healthy and will be competitive or do you want to dump him for pennies on the dollar?
I suppose it's fine if you're willing to take pennies on the dollar. There's some sense to be had there but I think it's just a terribly bad for the Flyers. What's the major upside to selling him off now? Just getting rid of the contract on potentially a valuable return?
BlackFrancis
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The major upside is Philly doesn't have to deal with his contract over the next seven seasons. You guys are right - the contract doesn't affect anything now or probably soon from now. But who knows what opportunities could crop up in 2027 or 2029?
Hypothetically, it ain't much. But, it does provide certainty and lightning never warns you before striking.
Holding on to Couturier for at least the next year is likely the best move with the potential to pay off better. And the Bruins, while a roster fit, aren't in a position to take on even half his contract this season.
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I wouldn't trade him right now because we'd be selling low on something *potentially* very valuable, but his situation isn't rosey at the moment. The idea that the Flyers get all the bad and BOS gets all the good in a Couturier trade right now is just...silly.
Imagine you're a Bruins fan trying to fit that contract for the next 7 years for a player who just had a major injury, plus whatever you have to give to get him.
If healthy, he makes them a lot better, but why from BOS perspective would you even bother taking such risk? Contract becomes an anchor real quick if things go bad & right now they can explore other options.
maybe a deal with picks condiitonal of how many games he plays? If he is not healthy Boston can LTIR him, if he is healthy he plays and they send picks.
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There’s 7 years left on his contract and he’ll be 31y.
There’s no way Boston should gamble with Couturier
Accelleratii
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Ask again in a year when we know he's actually healthy but even then I don't see Boston having the pieces to get it done.
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Funny to see this argument after the career Bergeron, an extremely similar player, just had
The Hockey Tonk Man
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Because, rebuild. (This is what I read when there were those Hart rumors out there and he's real young)
BB88
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How is it similar?
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Tough deal to make IMO. With LTIR - the risk is that Couturier is good enough to play, but significantly hampered by his injury. If he can't play - he goes on LTIR and insurance should be covering the contract.
PHI - there is a significant benefit to having that cap available moving forward. That's the bigger benefit than the players likely coming back from BOS.
BOS - with their current team make-up the Bruins absolutely needs to make a deal IMO. Targets include Scheifle, Lindholm, Couturier, with Couturier being the cheapest to get value wise, and having the most risk. I think the Bruins would be better served going after either MS or EL because the risk of having an anchor on the team long term if Couts can play but is hampered..
PHI - there is a significant benefit to having that cap available moving forward. That's the bigger benefit than the players likely coming back from BOS.
BOS - with their current team make-up the Bruins absolutely needs to make a deal IMO. Targets include Scheifle, Lindholm, Couturier, with Couturier being the cheapest to get value wise, and having the most risk. I think the Bruins would be better served going after either MS or EL because the risk of having an anchor on the team long term if Couts can play but is hampered..
Lindberg
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Are we really talking about opportunities during 2029? He'd have like a year left on his contract at that point.
Look at Minnesota. They are dealing with over 13 million dollars in dead cap space and managed to be competitive.
I don't think it's a stretch to say when 100% healthy Couturier is a top 10 candidate to win a Selke. You win championships with players like that, you don't give them away for nothing.
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I don't believe anyone here is trying to convince you to trade a 100% healthy Couturier or dissuade you or anyone else from attempting to win a championship with him.
Lindberg
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I agree with you. I think people are just so nervous about his health they'll take peanuts for him and miss out on a very solid return.
I'm 100% on board with trading Couturier for the right return.
The Flyers section of this board would have a melt down if Couturier return to 100% with Boston for like a 6th round pick. Heck most of time they complain about the return from the Kevin Hayes trade because DB didn't get enough value back. Kevin Hayes... Kevin freaking Hayes.
TheKingPin
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I get teams waiting on Couts to see if he’s back, but he should have played last year if we weren’t tanking and therefore has had a lot of recovery time. I personally think he will do very well this year with the strong wingers he will have. You basically have to wait and the Flyers should too, but this will look like a good trade for the team getting Couts.
SnS
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He wasn’t healthy til like a week or two remaining, wasn’t he?
This contract is a deeply negative value asset in July 2023. I’d assume he’s not moveable.
