Proposal: Could a McDavid Lindros type of trade help the Oilers?

[Patagonia]

They don’t think about it. Not even for a minute. Which is why I laughed at you and continue to laugh at you. Roll of the dice futures don’t even come close to fetching you McDavid.

When your McDavid offer has a medicore 2nd liner as the best current player, really consider not posting it.

I wouldn’t trade McDavid to you if you guaranteed me the #1 overall pick for the next three drafts. But hey, at least Colin ****in Wilson at JT Compher are there for the current squad.

The offer is not totally unreasonable.

You make a trade when the value is at the highest while working within the Cap. McDavid will eventually be fed up with the state of the team. Poor cap management, lack of adequate wingers, dysfunctional defence, terrible goalies and poor prospects. Another high lottery pick is the only successes of the team

As for comparables, you can’t use the Lindros deal during an era of free spending. The Oilers are $3.5M above the Cap and next season $11M in space, but surviving through the LTI exemption. McDavid earns $12.5M.

So deals for Matthews + Marner will barely work, when they sign new deals. Just don’t expect much more.

AVs deal breakdown:

2019-1st Sens
2019-1st AVs
2018-1st Kaut
2017-1st Makar
2016-1st Jost
Wilson (UFA 2018/19)

This is actually a massive return of 5-1sts that not only frees the Oilers from Cap Hell, but accelerates the rebuild.

Few teams can offer established players without dumping salaries unless other teams are involved. Oilers can’t take back too many large money deals which complicates any deal. So 1-2 stars or prospect packages are the most realistic outcome.

McDavid will eventually demand the Oilers improve and lose value if he demands a trade. Just don’t expect a large return of established players unless the adds include prospects.

 

[Leafs87]

After giving up the pieces needed no team comes out ahead or better then before imo.

Look at the Oilers McDavid as good as he is can’t do it alone. by that I mean very minimal supporting cast after Drai which is what the team trading for him will probably be left with at best.

Let’s just say someone like Tampa reallying wanted to do something like this theyd be probably the only ones who come out ahead because of how deep their team and system is. Cap would be very tricky but if they offload Stamkos and possibly Johnson as part of the deal it could work. Then you go with a McDavid-Kucherov attack.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

The offer is not totally unreasonable.

You make a trade when the value is at the highest while working within the Cap. McDavid will eventually be fed up with the state of the team. Poor cap management, lack of adequate wingers, dysfunctional defence, terrible goalies and poor prospects. Another high lottery pick is the only successes of the team

As for comparables, you can’t use the Lindros deal during an era of free spending. The Oilers are $3.5M above the Cap and next season $11M in space, but surviving through the LTI exemption. McDavid earns $12.5M.

So deals for Matthews + Marner will barely work, when they sign new deals. Just don’t expect much more.

AVs deal breakdown:

2019-1st Sens
2019-1st AVs
2018-1st Kaut
2017-1st Makar
2016-1st Jost
Wilson (UFA 2018/19)

This is actually a massive return of 5-1sts that not only frees the Oilers from Cap Hell, but accelerates the rebuild.

Few teams can offer established players without dumping salaries unless other teams are involved. Oilers can’t take back too many large money deals which complicates any deal. So 1-2 stars or prospect packages are the most realistic outcome.

McDavid will eventually demand the Oilers improve and lose value if he demands a trade. Just don’t expect a large return of established players unless the adds include prospects.

I fail to see how it accelerates the rebuild when a poor 2nd liner and a poor third liner are the only current pieces. Future firsts could be goddamn anything. Jost barely has more value than Puljujarvi . I live in Alberta and saw enough of Makar to appreciate the high end talent but also to question the future top pairing defenceman status. The Avs offer relies far too heavily on future potential and barely offers anything worth glancing at for current players. A realistic offer would need to have both.

I’d trade five firsts for Matthews too. Think the Leafs would laugh at that? They should, and McDavid is twice the player Auston is.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

He's a 22 years old 1C who will be right around PPG, strong both ways, becoming excellent in FO circle, on a fantastic contract. If he's "not close to being good enough" as a starting point for McDavid then sheesh man. That's about the best starting point you could realistically expect imo. Just don't think you'd be getting a similar value player ala Matthews/Mackinnon back.

McDavid is the best player in the world but even he can't fully compensate for a lack of talent around him.

Draisaitl is the better and more product r player by far. I wouldn’t accept Draisaitl, a disappointing top 5 pick, and a couple of firsts for McDavid either.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

After giving up the pieces needed no team comes out ahead or better then before imo.

Look at the Oilers McDavid as good as he is can’t do it alone. by that I mean very minimal supporting cast after Drai which is what the team trading for him will probably be left with at best.

Let’s just say someone like Tampa reallying wanted to do something like this theyd be probably the only ones who come out ahead because of how deep their team and system is. Cap would be very tricky but if they offload Stamkos and possibly Johnson as part of the deal it could work. Then you go with a McDavid-Kucherov attack.

Tampa is about the only team I can think of that could offer enough in terms of current and future pieces and still be a contender coming out the other side.

 

[SpaceCowboy]

Purely for fun. 3-Way Trade


Toronto
McDavid
Chychrun
Hossa (IR) Robidas Island

Arizona
Matthews
Lucic
Zaitsev
Toronto 2nd Rd 2020

Edmonton
Marner
Keller
Jonsson
Hayton
Hjalmarsson
Arizona 1st Rd Pick 2019
Arizona 1st Rd Pick 2020


Toronto gets McDavid and Chychurn, offloads Zaitsev contract. Arizona gets Matthews and keeps OEL, lose their Hossa IR $$, Edmonton gets Marner & Keller as center pieces.

(Personally I think Toronto tries to work with Nylander instead of Marner but Edmonton doesn’t like that lack of production.)

Arizona leaps at it to finally have a marketable American star from Arizona itself to get seats filled, and to pay a player to play then to be retired. Edmonton then has Keller, Drai, and Nuge up the middle, Marner on first line, Jonsson on 2nd line.

All that being said - total fantasy. Toronto loves Matthews/Tavares/Marner as their true future long term core. Edmonton still probably says no despite the better depth. I can’t see Arizona saying no to this based on their necessities and what Matthews would do to Arizona hockey. I would state the obvious that Matthews would have a bigger chain reaction going to Arizona, then McDavid would going to a Canadian club.

But it was fun trying to equal out values for each club.

 

[780il]

Purely for fun. 3-Way Trade


Toronto
McDavid
Chychrun
Hossa (IR) Robidas Island

Arizona
Matthews
Lucic
Zaitsev
Toronto 2nd Rd 2020

Edmonton
Marner
Keller
Jonsson
Hayton
Hjalmarsson
Arizona 1st Rd Pick 2019
Arizona 1st Rd Pick 2020


Toronto gets McDavid and Chychurn, offloads Zaitsev contract. Arizona gets Matthews and keeps OEL, lose their Hossa IR $$, Edmonton gets Marner & Keller as center pieces.

(Personally I think Toronto tries to work with Nylander instead of Marner but Edmonton doesn’t like that lack of production.)

Arizona leaps at it to finally have a marketable American star from Arizona itself to get seats filled, and to pay a player to play then to be retired. Edmonton then has Keller, Drai, and Nuge up the middle, Marner on first line, Jonsson on 2nd line.

All that being said - total fantasy. Toronto loves Matthews/Tavares/Marner as their true future long term core. Edmonton still probably says no despite the better depth. I can’t see Arizona saying no to this based on their necessities and what Matthews would do to Arizona hockey. I would state the obvious that Matthews would have a bigger chain reaction going to Arizona, then McDavid would going to a Canadian club.

But it was fun trying to equal out values for each club.

Leave Arizona out of it and send Matthews to Edmonton as the main part of the deal. There's your starting point.

Any trade with Mcdavid going to Toronto absolutely requires us getting back Matthews.

 

[WillNyTheGreedyGuy]

To : Auston Matthews, William Nylander, Jake Gardiner, Timothy Liljegren, 1st round pick 2019, 1st round pick 2020, 1st round pick 2021

To : Connor Mcdavid, Darnell Nurse

 

[HolyCrap]

To : John Tavares, William Nylander, Jake Gardiner, Timothy Liljegren, 1st round pick 2019, 1st round pick 2020, 1st round pick 2021

To : Connor Mcdavid, Darnell Nurse

I think you would have to swap Tavares for Mathews as Tavares has NTC and wants to be in TO, for Oilers to think about biting. And that’s a lotta prices to give up.

 

[TOGuy14]

Has Chia won a single trade while running Edmonton? Has he even broken even on a deal?

His Eberle Trade has lead to 2-3 more downgrades since then alone

 

[Gary Nylund]

No, I don't recall Lindros being one of the best players in the league before he was traded because Lindros has never even played in the league before he was traded.

He had already proven he was one of the best players in the world so it was obvious he was one of the best players in the league.

 

[Shootertooter]

Has Chia won a single trade while running Edmonton? Has he even broken even on a deal?

His Eberle Trade has lead to 2-3 more downgrades since then alone

Forget "win", how about has he broken even?

 

[SPV]

why not just make it Philly again. Start with Provorov, Patrick, and a 1st. Balance from there

 

[Patagonia]

There is no chance Oilers will obtain either Matthews or Mackinnon. McDavid is undoubtably the better player, but gutting the supporting players/prospects in a trade in not going to happen. No team wants to replicate the Oilers in struggling for years.

Oilers level of incompetence is astounding, I honestly believe he’ll eventually ask to be traded. Just don’t expect the level of return, teams will lowball offers knowing the desperation. Oilers mismanaged the Cap which assures the return are likely a heavy prospect/picks package.

 

[mashedpotato]

McDavid should be traded. It's a shame the best player in the world has to be surrounded by that roster in EDM of all places.

 

[flamesforcup]

One year of Karlsson and seven years of McDavid are very different animals. Ottawa got a mediocre return specifically because Karlsson didn’t sign an extension and can go anywhere he damn well pleases in six months. Seven guaranteed years of Connor McDavid being added to a team that’s capable of filling in the pieces around him? You should be able to get engraving quotes for two Stanley Cups at least. For teams like the Blues, the Sabres, the Leafs, the Canes, the Flyers... I could go on, but if I ran any of those teams and I could get McDavid and still ice a decent team around him, you’d be stupid to NOT pull the trigger.

OP references the Lindros trade and I think a Lindros esque return would be exactly what he would fetch - positional downgrade + a metric **** ton of other assets.

Yes, because I say so. Kind of like ‘because you say so’ McDavid would fetch an underwhelming return. Again, you’re biased because your team has been blessed with elite talent so you have no real vantage point for what the cost to acquire a prime aged elite talent.

As for ‘buh why does Carolina keep adding?’ Because a middle pairing defenceman with no offense and a 60 point forward that’s only productive with Aho is not a viable starting point for Connor McDavid, that’s why. You would be absolutely floored what real GMs would offer if McDavid got anywhere near the open market.

Tkachuk+Monahan+Hanifin or hamonic+Valimaki. Ignoring the fact he would never go to the flames hows value? (U can choose between hanifin or hamonic).

 

[Drew311]

Kuznetsov
Orlov
Vrana
Samsonov
1st

 

[FerrisRox]

He had already proven he was one of the best players in the world so it was obvious he was one of the best players in the league.

Except he hadn't and he wasn't.

 

[mondo3]

To : Auston Matthews, William Nylander, Jake Gardiner, Timothy Liljegren, 1st round pick 2019, 1st round pick 2020, 1st round pick 2021

To : Connor Mcdavid, Darnell Nurse

That's a pretty good offer by Toronto - probably too much.

What about Matthews, Nylander and Rielly and no picks.
Oilers would probably want a significant D improvement, so that's why I mention Rielly.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Except he hadn't and he wasn't.

Sure he was. You may want to read up on what happened in the 1991 Canada Cup - it was a surprise to many that he was even invited to try out for the team but by the time the tournament was over, he was established as one of the top players in the world.

 

[FerrisRox]

Sure he was. You may want to read up on what happened in the 1991 Canada Cup - it was a surprise to many that he was even invited to try out for the team but by the time the tournament was over, he was established as one of the top players in the world.

Read up on the 1991 Canada Cup? I was there.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Read up on the 1991 Canada Cup? I was there.

If you watched Lindros play and don't agree that that tournament established him as one of the worlds best players, I'm not sure what else to say to you. Agree to disagree I guess and I suspect most fans who watched him play would agree with me.

 

[M2Beezy]

I really hate including Horvat in trade proposals but

Horvat
Juolevi
Gudbranson
Lockwood
Gunnerson
2020 1st
2021 2nd
2019 4th

Its a lot to give up so doubt itd happen but Mcdavid is Mcdavid

 

[Spirit of 67]

If you recall, Lindros was one of the best players in the league, and he got traded for Steve Duchesne, Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, two draft picks, and $15 million. Colorado soon won the cup after that trade.
What would be an equivalent trade for McDavid that would be tempting for both the Oilers and the team acquiring him?

It would be so Chiarelli to trade McDavid for Lindros.

 

[Patagonia]

That's a pretty good offer by Toronto - probably too much.

What about Matthews, Nylander and Rielly and no picks.
Oilers would probably want a significant D improvement, so that's why I mention Rielly.

This might be too much, but this is approx $24M in contracts (assume AM signs for $12M). Oilers are such a mess they can't even take on high end players with their Cap Mess.