Do you think they'd open themselves up to a lawsuit by claiming the existence of tapes that don't exist? Come on dude.
OT: Coronavirus XXIX: Is This Even the Right Damn Roman Numeral? New Measures to Curb Stomp COVID?
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Do you think they'd open themselves up to a lawsuit by claiming the existence of tapes that don't exist? Come on dude.
Drivesaitl
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That one part of the post was careless wording. Kids can have it, but they don't spread it well. Its not fully understood yet why. Under age 10 kids, its theorized, don't yet expel as much viral load in coughing, sneezing. Theres other theories as well. But the studies and the stats are indicating under age kids testing low, having less rate of cases than any other age cohort, and not spreading it much.
This place truly is a shithole.
Presented with audio leaks of the government pushing ideology over health advice
“just opinion, no proof”
No wonder Alberta is f***ed.
Presented with audio leaks of the government pushing ideology over health advice
“just opinion, no proof”
No wonder Alberta is f***ed.
Fixed to Ruin
Come wit it now!
I don't doubt the tapes exist. I don't knw that the CBC is using these tapes to blow things out of proportion or out of context. It says in the article itself that the multiple recordings when listened together creates a certain narrative that may be damaging to the premier or the minister of health. That is a very subjective claim. They might be right, they might be wrong. How am I supposed to know? CBC is clearly biased against the government, so if they make such claims, i'm fine to go along with it but i need a little more than just a subjective interpretation of 20 recordings.
CantHaveTkachev
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harpoon
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When one’s views are marginal at best, one needs to resort to ever more crass language and hyperbole to receive attention.
It is interesting how much this differs from what the CDC reports for the US, the sample size is of course way smaller but still it is a significant difference. Could be because if I remember correctly Canada (not sure about Alberta) has so far had the biggest proportion of people in LTCs dying.
I mean looking at the numbers in Alberta and seeing these differences, I would probably preach a bit of caution. Looks like it is an outlier in terms of statics/comorbidities to be honest. I would be pretty hard pressed to use that data itself and draw important conclusion considering how it looks as close by as in the US.
bone
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I think the Canadian stats and CDC look at comorbidities different than Alberta's because Alberta doesn't include pneumonia, which I support. I'd rather only look at things that likely existed before the infection whereas the pneumonia could very well be caused by the virus.
With that in mind, I think it fair to consider those with only one or none as similar where they were likely living a decent life pre-infection. That said, there really aren't that many more that passed with only one condition than there were that passed with none. Most of the deaths in Alberta had 3 or more.
Going on the hospitalization stats for Little Fury, I think they are relevent to show that it's still a pretty nasty illness and reading our Covid stats in concert with the virtual non-existent seasonal flu this year, it is looking pretty clear that this isn't just the flu, and much worse. However, we're still only looking at a severe outcome (i,e. hospitalization, ICU, death) we're still only talking about 1% of the cases for those with no co-morbidities.
It's definitely high enough to suggest it's a nasty virus, the bigger question every debates is about though is whether that warrants destroying people livelihoods.
This is begging the question. If that's your starting point, then you're obviously not going to be convinced by any evidence they do provide.
CantHaveTkachev
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ok, but that's all speculation and this point
again, that has nothing with my original point that his article is based on real facts
oobga
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Seeing reports that lots of other countries made efforts and agreements to produce vaccines like the oxford vaccine at home, and Canada could have too, but didn't? What a disaster if that's true. We're gonna be sitting around watching other countries vaccinate their vulnerable and care workers while we wait for our first batches?
Feds have been slow on every single thing to do with fighting covid aside from giving people money (isolation measures for people coming into the country and PPE supply to name a couple). This would take the cake though.
Feds have been slow on every single thing to do with fighting covid aside from giving people money (isolation measures for people coming into the country and PPE supply to name a couple). This would take the cake though.
At least the description states not everyone concerned with the vaccine is an "anti-vaxxer."
Sorry, Tam, but no amount of propaganda is going to convince me to take a vaccine.
Kyle McMahon
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I see my tax dollars continue to fund partisan pap from the CBC, as if there was any doubt.
I kept expecting the long-winded article was eventually going to at least drop some juicy tidbit from these "secret recordings". Can we hear these secret recordings by the way? The article seems to suggest that only a U of A health lawyer with an axe to grind was given access to them, and we're to rely on him to give us the straight goods on what was said...hmmm.
I thought the most interesting part was this:
"Hinshaw said she didn't know if the approach would work, but they were being asked to move away from punitive measures to simply telling people how to stay safe.
More of a "permissive model?" someone asked. Hinshaw agreed.
"I feel like we are starting to lose social licence for the restrictive model, and I think we are being asked to then move into the permissive model," she said. "And worst-case scenario, we will need to come back and [be] restrictive.
That casts doubt on the theory that Hinshaw has been demanding more strict measures behind the scenes and getting brushed off by the government all the while. They seem to have been on the same page here, at least when things eased off in the summer.
Basically the biggest "ooohhh look at this!" the CBC could come up with from these recordings is that the provincial health minister was requesting that AHS contact his office before enacting enforcement on violators, when it sounds like AHS does not legally require his go-ahead. In other words, an elected official wanted the final say on whether or not unelected officials would issue fines to citizens. Oh the humanity! The National Enquirer is probably rolling their eyes at the CBC's clickbait headlines by this point.
Hey man, that's not fair! He was answering to me and I am not getting mixed up in the politics of this, just looking at the numbers, facts (and truthsJust another “narrative”.
). I appreciated the link!
CantHaveTkachev
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also, save your whining about our government and their lack of restrictions while you still collect your paycheque regardless for other forums
You do realize that the issue is and always has been that if you just let this disease just run rampant cause "only the sick are dying" then the death rate goes up and up from Covid deaths and people who don't have Covid but need to get treated in the now packed hospitals.
I mean I guess we could just ignore it, expose everyone to it and let it's just work its way thru everyone. Sure it may kill a bunch of people but who cares, they were old and weren't perfectly healthy to begin with. Screw em!
This is what we have seen over here as well, all over I guess. One issue is that many places in Europe just report 0-19 year olds when it comes to cases, but it seems very clear from places that do report 0-10 year olds that these are very low, while 10-19 is much higher.
edit: maybe not very clear as post, the issue with reporting cases 0-19 year olds only is that now in those places everyone is calling for sweeping closures of schools.
Canada doesn't have the facilities to produce vaccines. Apparently they have been working on it but it isn't something you can just get up and running over night
bone
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I see your point, but guaranteed someone with 3 or more of Diabetes, Hypertension, COPD, Cancer, Dementia, Stroke, Liver cirrhosis, Cardiovascular diseases (including IHD and Congestive heart failure), Chronic kidney disease, and Immuno-deficiency, certainly are living a compromised life-style where basically anything they contract could end their lives.
harpoon
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How are those facts cherry picked? Are you a doctor? Of the ‘half the men over fifty’ in your imaginary survey of the population, what percentage of those with hypertension and diabetes are seriously ill? You act like everyone who has hypertension and diabetes is walking around perfectly healthy, which I guess only proves that you are no authority on the subject.
Last week when GMofOilers posted some facts from a national broadcaster showing the number of deaths outside of care facilities you didn’t like those numbers either. Turns out the national broadcaster was probably wrong (though not one of the critics of those numbers has taken the time to write to the station in question and get clarification). And everyone who wants society driven into lockdown patted themselves on the back for spotting ‘the error’ instead of noticing the point that keeps slapping them in the head which is ‘healthy people have a better chance of dying while crossing the road than they do of dying from covid’. The virus just isn’t that deadly to people who aren’t already weakened by some other factor. The panic is out of proportion and the resources wasted should have been directed toward protecting those among us who actually need protection.
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