OT: Coronavirus - Start Prepping

[Leafsdude7]

cringe. How many times has the seasonal flu forced the quarantine of tens of millions of people? The death RATE of the flu is much smaller than that of this virus esp in people 65 years old and up (.80% compared to 15% for covid19) you keep your head buried in the sand though

Where are your flu mortality rates from? All sources I see put flu death rate at over 10%, varying year-to-year. From what I see, there's no flu death rate for 65+. Are you sure you're not comparing world-wide Coronavirus rates to US or Canada influenza data?

 

[ShooterMikgaven]

Where are your flu mortality rates from? All sources I see put flu death rate at over 10%, varying year-to-year. From what I see, there's no flu death rate for 65+. Are you sure you're not comparing world-wide Coronavirus rates to US or Canada influenza data?

 

[hfman]

[MOD]

I'm just trying to help ease fear. I get it, fear can spiral out of control.

It is easy to get petrified by all of those statistical numbers and graph charts and such... but the one single most powerful statistic you're missing is that you and your loved ones have MUCH better than a 99.9% chance of emerging from this situation in great health.

That is THE most important statistic of them all. You will be fine my friend.

 

[DenisSamson3]

Its good you guys have this thread open. If things keep escalating people can give each other tips on how to deal with the situation. Already south of the border in Seattle they have been closing schools.

Im not really happy with the answers given by people in Canadas government so far. They have been reactive instead of proactive so far. Trudeau said that we have follow international law and to mostly follow the WHO recommendations. These are the same people that at first were harsh against China and the actions they took. Now they changed their mind and are praising China for their containment measures and how fast they took measures. It always feels like the WHO is behind and is heavily a statistical organization.

Trudeau as well has been working hard to get Canada on the Un security council so he may not want to look bad world wide.

Lastly i feel as though in Canada they dont even mention what city people are infected in. They say broad statements like, vancouver coastal health area, or greater Toronto health area, but dont mention what city. Like Richmond bc, surrey bc, or Mississuga ontario. Those specifics would help.

I feel as though the usa has been doing a better job and even though they have been behind, has made greater progress catching up politically and productivity wise.

 

[supsens]

cringe. How many times has the seasonal flu forced the quarantine of tens of millions of people? The death RATE of the flu is much smaller than that of this virus esp in people 65 years old and up (.80% compared to 15% for covid19) you keep your head buried in the sand though

This is from 2014

Yanzhong Huang, a fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations, said in an interview with The Guardian, "SARS taught Chinese leaders ... the wrong lesson — that quarantine was the magic bullet in addressing any major infectious disease outbreak." After two days, the quarantine was lifted; no other cases were reported.

how often? as soon as China is in control, anyway it didn’t help, it spread like crazy just like these things alway do
On top of that today all the deaths from this virus added up tied how many people die every single day in a car accident.
The cases are dropping in China because that’s how viruses work not because of this crap. Look at Italy they were the first country to stop Chinese flights and to ban people from China, they also instantly decided to lock everyone down..it is not helping.
And as soon as they start testing people they find out it’s everywhere the death rate is so far under the reported rate it’s crazy

 

[Egghead1999]

Well, thanks for this, but maybe we are talking different separate points of the same topic.
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Washington State could see explosion in coronavirus cases, study says

CDC is too late to the game now; WHO is misleading all western countries, and the China gov't reputation concerns the director general, the China gov't's puppet, greatly. Anyway, the mortality rate is linking to the medical services availability (so. it is not 4% or 1%). At the end, trying to wear face mask, and washing your hand frequently, be safe

 

[Merrrlin]

How does a case become "reported" statistically?

Are the seasonal flu numbers reported by health institutions?

 

[ULF_55]

How does a case become "reported" statistically?

Are the seasonal flu numbers reported by health institutions?

I'm betting seasonal flu is very much like many other illnesses, never reported to anyone.

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Watched a report on this last night and they did highlight the trickle down affect, that even if the death rate is only 2%, the impact is huge against the health care system.

Now the thing is in a few countries they don't have universal health care so they can't just go to a hospital isolation ward and be put on a respirator.
And when all these new cases show up then the resources that would normally be taking care of everything else is no longer available for everything else.
And then the health care providers get overrun and then succumb to the illness making things worse.

Of course we'll get through this, and some people are going to make a killing at the market while others are going to lose.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Coronovirus is overrated
Big pharma probably wants to sell more vaccines
This will be over before we know it

 

[Kurtz]

That's a bit misleading, just for the fact that, on day 45, Swine Flu had a similar explosion of cases, where it went from 1000 cases to 225 000 cases (that's not a typo) within 40 days. Also, Coronovirus has, hopefully, shown signs of an s-graph, where it peaks and then stalls over spurts. In a few days, 2009's Swine Flu will surpass Coronavirus in cases and deaths over the same time period.

Here's another video by the same user displaying this:

Thing is, we're not really even testing for this yet in North America. What is it, a few hundred tested for it so far in Canada/US? Was this the case with the Swine Flu as well, or were tests available right away?

South Korea seems to be the only country in the world properly testing for this right now.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

This is from 2014

Yanzhong Huang, a fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations, said in an interview with The Guardian, "SARS taught Chinese leaders ... the wrong lesson — that quarantine was the magic bullet in addressing any major infectious disease outbreak." After two days, the quarantine was lifted; no other cases were reported.

how often? as soon as China is in control, anyway it didn’t help, it spread like crazy just like these things alway do
On top of that today all the deaths from this virus added up tied how many people die every single day in a car accident.
The cases are dropping in China because that’s how viruses work not because of this crap. Look at Italy they were the first country to stop Chinese flights and to ban people from China, they also instantly decided to lock everyone down..it is not helping.
And as soon as they start testing people they find out it’s everywhere the death rate is so far under the reported rate it’s crazy

I believe this as well (that it's underreported). In fact at this point I'm going to state I strongly think I've had it already and same for my family. In early January, my 16 year old son came home with something that really had him down and out and he was even diagnosed with pneumonia. My wife and I shortly followed but not as bad. I had a dry cough for at least three weeks.

- I shake a LOT of hands.
- Kid is in highschool.
- My wife works with little children for a living, many of which are from new Canadian families.

If anyone was going to get this thing early, it's us. China admits they discovered it in December. 1) To believe that, you have to trust the Chinese government. 2) When they discovered it tells us very little about how long it's been making its rounds. Who knows how many cases of this have been attributed to the flu? Do people really think your doctor gets a lab test to see see what virus you actually had when you go to them with flu symptoms (if you go at all which is highly unlikely)?

 

[ULF_55]

Its good you guys have this thread open. If things keep escalating people can give each other tips on how to deal with the situation. Already south of the border in Seattle they have been closing schools.

Im not really happy with the answers given by people in Canadas government so far. They have been reactive instead of proactive so far. Trudeau said that we have follow international law and to mostly follow the WHO recommendations. These are the same people that at first were harsh against China and the actions they took. Now they changed their mind and are praising China for their containment measures and how fast they took measures. It always feels like the WHO is behind and is heavily a statistical organization.

Trudeau as well has been working hard to get Canada on the Un security council so he may not want to look bad world wide.

Lastly i feel as though in Canada they dont even mention what city people are infected in. They say broad statements like, vancouver coastal health area, or greater Toronto health area, but dont mention what city. Like Richmond bc, surrey bc, or Mississuga ontario. Those specifics would help.

I feel as though the usa has been doing a better job and even though they have been behind, has made greater progress catching up politically and productivity wise.

Keep in mind health care is a provincial responsibility and we have universal health care (that the provinces are responsible for).

I missed who it was but they were trying to grill the health minister talking about how the US is setting up a Health Link system and what is Canada doing about that? In Alberta we've had Health Link since 2016. I'm guessing many other provinces have a similar system.

Alberta Health Services has been preparing for this since it came out. But preparation isn't panic, that is the purview of the media.

I guess to be fair I should point out Alberta has one Health Authority, whereas other provinces have disjointed, regional health authorities. So perhaps in Ontario, you could be in an area with an unprepared authority.

 

[Metroid]

My buddies bros work got sent home today because of a possible coronavirus situation, he works at an RBC call center in Mississauga. They apparently shutting down for two weeks...

 

[Advanced stats]

Coronovirus is overrated
Big pharma probably wants to sell more vaccines
This will be over before we know it

Yep, it's already on a downward trend and in 3 weeks we won't even be hearing about it.

 

[ULF_55]

COVID-19 coronavirus info for Albertans

2nd. positive test in Alberta.

No details announced that I've seen.

 

[DenisSamson3]

Yep, it's already on a downward trend and in 3 weeks we won't even be hearing about it.

Comic con in Seattle has been cancelled. That event gets over 100 000 visitors.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

Comic con in Seattle has been cancelled. That event gets over 100 000 visitors.

100,000 visitors eh? I wonder how much that will cost everybody.

Seems a pretty huge financial hit for something that's just gonna disappear in 3 weeks.*

*3 week estimate is based on random hockey fan's projections. Epidemiologists, scientists, healthcare professionals may have different opinions....

 

[Advanced stats]

Comic con in Seattle has been cancelled. That event gets over 100 000 visitors.

I'm not saying we don't still have to prevent the spread of it. That's very important.


I'm saying if we continue to prevent the spread of it(comicon, Italian soccer, Mecca all being shut down) it'll be old news in 3 weeks.

 

[cbbb25]

Comic con in Seattle has been cancelled. That event gets over 100 000 visitors.

Im not worried and prepping like some but Im not also thinking this is nothing. I have some family members saying this is way overblown and just the flu. Well at some point you have to accept the realities of massive events being cancelled, South By Southwest was just cancelled and thats a 200K person event. Air travel is down over 20%. I also asked if they arent worried why dont they use vacation days and snatch up the very cheap resorts and cruises. Didnt really have an answer.

Not here to debate flu vs Corona but theres no doubt anymore that its disrupting daily life. The NHL and NBA (assume MLB) are making plans to have no one in the stands in the near future if it gets bad enough or US/Canadian government officials ask for it to be an empty arena.

 

[yubbers]

Money carries the most germs. So put on some gloves, round up your cash, put it in an envelope and mail it to me. I will dispose of it accordingly. It's the least I can do. Be safe!

I'll even cover shipping.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Yep, it's already on a downward trend and in 3 weeks we won't even be hearing about it.

I don't think there's reason to panic, but to suggest that this will blow over in 3 weeks is overly optimistic. I suspect it will get much worse over the next several weeks, or even months, before it gets better.

B.C. just reported it's first community transmission today, which is the first in Canada. Also, 4 new cases in the GTA today, one of which rode the TTC and Go Bus for a few days before he was tested.

While it's not a doomsday scenario, it's still very important to take precautions to avoid unnecessary risks until the situation has resolved.

 

[supsens]

I believe this as well (that it's underreported). In fact at this point I'm going to state I strongly think I've had it already and same for my family. In early January, my 16 year old son came home with something that really had him down and out and he was even diagnosed with pneumonia. My wife and I shortly followed but not as bad. I had a dry cough for at least three weeks.

- I shake a LOT of hands.
- Kid is in highschool.
- My wife works with little children for a living, many of which are from new Canadian families.

If anyone was going to get this thing early, it's us. China admits they discovered it in December. 1) To believe that, you have to trust the Chinese government. 2) When they discovered it tells us very little about how long it's been making its rounds. Who knows how many cases of this have been attributed to the flu? Do people really think your doctor gets a lab test to see see what virus you actually had when you go to them with flu symptoms (if you go at all which is highly unlikely)?

Well in in BC we got that same type of cold right before Christmas also not sure what it was or where it came from but me my girl and our friend all got a cold, it wasn’t bad but it lasted 3 weeks to a month I was complaining I had never seen a cold last this long in my life and he agreed, Kinda soar throat on the verge of being a full blown strep but never took the next step and a cough that just wouldn’t go away. I doubt it was this new one but whatever it was it lasted forever. Could just be a tough common cold type thing.

I live right across the boarder from a town where a kid has a flu like virus so they closed the schools all week and they don’t even know what he has yet. This is causing mass panic I guess time will tell us if it’s justified

 

[CelticDruid]

Yep, it's already on a downward trend and in 3 weeks we won't even be hearing about it.

Coronavirus poses most serious threat to public health since Spanish flu pandemic, says expert

 

[CelticDruid]

Coronavirus poses most serious threat to public health since Spanish flu pandemic, says expert

The British government is very worried and if you think it's going to be over in three weeks then I suggest that you do some research.

Edit:
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Dr Richard Hatchett, who heads up the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, said governments need to adopt an 'aggressive' response to tackle the virus as he revealed it could take between 12-18 months to develop a vaccine and cost £1.5bn ($2bn).
It comes as Boris Johnson urged Britons to brace for 'substantial disruption' that could last months.

 

[thewave]

The British government is very worried and if you think it's going to be over in three weeks then I suggest that you do some research.

Edit:
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Dr Richard Hatchett, who heads up the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, said governments need to adopt an 'aggressive' response to tackle the virus as he revealed it could take between 12-18 months to develop a vaccine and cost £1.5bn ($2bn).
It comes as Boris Johnson urged Britons to brace for 'substantial disruption' that could last months.

I don't believe anyone who says develop and vaccine. It makes no sense whatsoever that you have a vaccine for a mutating virus in the wild. You need to have effective treatment options period. ie. Tamiflu etc. That and it's Corona virus, it's like saying cure for the common cold. Not happening.