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We are nowhere near the numbers of the Swine Flu in 2010. I do not recall the panic we hare having now. Nobody was hoarding anything. 12k people died.

Why all the panic now? Are we expecting it to be much worse this time? Or are we over reacting?

As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.[117] [118]


2009 flu pandemic in the United States - Wikipedia

Swine Flu had a .02% mortality rate, whereas Corona virus is currently around 3.4%
 
We are nowhere near the numbers of the Swine Flu in 2010. I do not recall the panic we hare having now. Nobody was hoarding anything. 12k people died.

Why all the panic now? Are we expecting it to be much worse this time? Or are we over reacting?

As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.[117] [118]


2009 flu pandemic in the United States - Wikipedia
It's hard to say. But off the top, those numbers you got from Wiki are less than half compared to current COVID. Hospitalizations for COVID is estimated to be 10-20% of infected, above data indicates around 4-5% for Swine Flu. Mortality for COVID estimated at 1-3%, Swine flu above indicates .02%.

Keep in mind we are likely underestimating total cases of Corona due to folks with mild or no symptoms, so hospitalizations and mortality for Corona is likely a lower % than current estimates, but by how much we don't know. As more data comes in they can estimate how many non-diagnosed cases there were to arrive at more precise percentage expectations for hospitalizations/mortality for future outbreaks of this particular Corona virus. I believe that seasonal Flu, for example, has a built in algorithm to estimate current % of hospitalizations/mortality based on previous years' outbreaks and it incorporates those hard to find cases where folks don't get formally diagnosed and/or hospitalized. We have nothing of the sort for COVID-19 yet.
 
How do we feel about going to the gym these days?

I went yesterday. But it's my company's gym. It's small and not highly trafficked. Still I was careful to wipe everything down and wash my hands thoroughly.

But it looks like home bodyweight workouts for me soon.
 
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How do we feel about going to the gym these days?
I’m on my way now.
No one is saying be reckless but come on. Wash ur hands before and after and do your thing. Maybe I’m being naive but if you’re struggling w touching ANYTHING someone else has, Ive got news for u... unless you’re the bubble boy.

MOOPS! MOORS!
 
Swine Flu had a .02% mortality rate, whereas Corona virus is currently around 3.4%
How can we possibly know the mortality rate without knowing how many people are infected? All we know for certain is the death total.

For an accurate percentage we need both the numerator and the denominator.
 
How can we possibly know the mortality rate without knowing how many people are infected? All we know for certain is the death total.

For an accurate percentage we need both the numerator and the denominator.


If the mortality rate is closer to that of Swine flu, then that means the number of infected is over 100x higher than is currently documented.
 
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If the mortality rate is closer to that of Swine flu, then that means the number of infected is over 100x higher than is currently documented.
100x is a bit much, 50x isn't out of the question though in my opinion. Kids are basically silent carriers and are completely un-diagnosed, I'm sure the great majority of 40 and unders ride it out without being diagnosed too.
 
100x is a bit much, 50x isn't out of the question though in my opinion. Kids are basically silent carriers and are completely un-diagnosed, I'm sure the great majority of 40 and unders ride it out without being diagnosed too.

I meant over 100x higher in regard to the known mortality rate of swine flu. Even if the current death rates lower by 90%, Coronavirus is still more deadly than H1N1.
 
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We're out of TP and hand sanitizers where I live.
 
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