OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part VI (NO RIOT/PROTEST DISCUSSION)

[Synergy27]

By that view, you should never leave your house ever again.

Are you a parent? Because then how can you ever send your children to school ever again? They should be home schooled from birth and not have any other kids to talk to. How can you let your daughter ever date anyone ever again?

What are you even talking about at this point? How is any of that equivalent to not being happy that some sick asshole decides to come into the office because he’s super duper important?

 

[True Blue]

What are you even talking about at this point? How is any of that equivalent to not being happy that some sick asshole decides to come into the office because he’s super duper important?

Maybe it came out much more tersely than I had intended, but yes, while that is a worry but it is a worry anywhere going forward for anyone. Not just in office, but at schools, streets, basically anywhere where people are at.

 

[Synergy27]

Maybe it came out much more tersely than I had intended, but yes, while that is a worry but it is a worry anywhere going forward for anyone. Not just in office, but at schools, streets, basically anywhere where people are at.

It is. That’s why this sucks so much. If everyone, or f*** just most people, was at least on the same page about taking precautions when sick, we would be much better off. That’s a long shot in the land of liberty though. Some problems require cohesiveness and shared direction to solve, and we are so far away from that it’s not even funny.

 

[Synergy27]

Interesting article about Boris Johnson’s response after going through his ordeal.

Boris Johnson believes he was hospitalised with the coronavirus because he is significantly overweight

I really think we are approaching a reckoning when it comes to civil liberties vs. a unified national direction. I am very torn on the subject. I don’t think we have the capacity as a society (in America) to reach the compromises required to navigate the coming years. It’s a very scary thing to think about.

 

[sbjnyc]

Okay. I like the idea of UBI and responded to someone other than yourself who was talking about social security at an earlier age because it brought that to mind....but I don't want to get into a major political brouhaha over this. You can like what I say about it or not. A few days ago some unnamed moderator here edited one of my posts. He/she then warned me that 'you've been a good poster here for 15 years, blah, blah, blah' but somehow or other in their opinion I'd crossed over some line on this coronavirus topic. There really wasn't much of an explanation what or how....so there you go. Perhaps I disturbed someone and they were complaining about me. I don't know. If that helps to explain some reticence on my part you have an explanation now.

Well as I recall he ended his article with an offhanded comment that the world would be better off without actuaries. I may still carry a bit of a grudge.

 

[sbjnyc]

I was watching a documentary about WW2 In color. They showed Japanese soldiers wearing masks even then.

 

[Machinehead]

Interesting article about Boris Johnson’s response after going through his ordeal.

Boris Johnson believes he was hospitalised with the coronavirus because he is significantly overweight

I really think we are approaching a reckoning when it comes to civil liberties vs. a unified national direction. I am very torn on the subject. I don’t think we have the capacity as a society (in America) to reach the compromises required to navigate the coming years. It’s a very scary thing to think about.

Don't worry about it.

COINTELPRO was 1956. The ship has sailed on us having liberties.

 

[Off Sides]

I was watching a documentary about WW2 In color. They showed Japanese soldiers wearing masks even then.

Not directed at you personally at all.

Masks are a thing, I get it. Others not so much.

 

[eco's bones]

Well as I recall he ended his article with an offhanded comment that the world would be better off without actuaries. I may still carry a bit of a grudge.

LOL! You don't know how many people were out to end my postal career. I heard offhand remarks about that for a bunch of years. All I can say to you is stick with it--try to let it slide off.

 

[eco's bones]

Interesting article about Boris Johnson’s response after going through his ordeal.

Boris Johnson believes he was hospitalised with the coronavirus because he is significantly overweight

I really think we are approaching a reckoning when it comes to civil liberties vs. a unified national direction. I am very torn on the subject. I don’t think we have the capacity as a society (in America) to reach the compromises required to navigate the coming years. It’s a very scary thing to think about.

You walk into places and you're wearing a mask and then other people around you are not wearing them and this is happening quite a lot or at least in some places. To me it's a safety and a courtesy thing at the moment and well over twenty thousand people have died from this over the last couple months in NYS. It's not like there's no evidence of it and I think I have every right right now if some stranger gets too close to to say to them if they won't back off to 'get the f*** away from me' and some stranger who has real potential to give you a disease meanwhile also giving you some shtick about his freedoms I'm not impressed a lot by that either. Someone wanting to play games with their own health--okay fine--doesn't have the right to play their games with mine. If someone wants to kill themself--I'm sorry if they feel that way but when they jump off a bridge I want to be left out of it. So the freedom lovers need to back off a bit and respect the rights of others too IMO. Personally if I worked at a store or a restaurant I would not serve someone I thought was endangering me and tough shit if they didn't like it.

But anyway Boris's weight issues certainly wouldn't have helped but he made a point of shaking hands with numerous of the UK's first hospitalized coronavirus victims. I would think that's why he got it.

 

[Synergy27]

You walk into places and you're wearing a mask and then other people around you are not wearing them and this is happening quite a lot or at least in some places. To me it's a safety and a courtesy thing at the moment and well over twenty thousand people have died from this over the last couple months in NYS. It's not like there's no evidence of it and I think I have every right right now if some stranger gets too close to to say to them if they won't back off to 'get the f*** away from me' and some stranger who has real potential to give you a disease meanwhile also giving you some shtick about his freedoms I'm not impressed a lot by that either. Someone wanting to play games with their own health--okay fine--doesn't have the right to play their games with mine. If someone wants to kill themself--I'm sorry if they feel that way but when they jump off a bridge I want to be left out of it. So the freedom lovers need to back off a bit and respect the rights of others too IMO. Personally if I worked at a store or a restaurant I would not serve someone I thought was endangering me and tough shit if they didn't like it.

But anyway Boris's weight issues certainly wouldn't have helped but he made a point of shaking hands with numerous of the UK's first hospitalized coronavirus victims. I would think that's why he got it.

Not sure if you read the article, but Boris has apparently been saying that he intends to proactively address the UK's obesity problem. As in, he intends to enact legislation and/or utilize other governmental tools to modify people's behavior when it comes to eating. This is the "right wing" in the UK. Compare that to what's happening here right now.

 

[eco's bones]

Not sure if you read the article, but Boris has apparently been saying that he intends to proactively address the UK's obesity problem. As in, he intends to enact legislation and/or utilize other governmental tools to modify people's behavior when it comes to eating. This is the "right wing" in the UK. Compare that to what's happening here right now.

No I hadn't but I have now. The NHS saved him so restoring that to where it should be IMO would be the best thing he could do. The safety net public service institutions have been a target of conservatives both here and there for a long time--so that's probably not part of his agenda but you never know...second chance at life thanks to the NHS maybe a light bulb went off.

As far as comparing their right wing to ours I'm not sure I want to.

 

[chosen]

Everybody learns. Lessons are expensive, good lessons are f'ng expensive.

I absolutely believe that some people don't learn. Once you're in a cult, it's very difficult to learn or to decipher what is true.

 

[ponytrekker]

By that view, you should never leave your house ever again.

Are you a parent? Because then how can you ever send your children to school ever again? They should be home schooled from birth and not have any other kids to talk to. How can you let your daughter ever date anyone ever again?

Sorry it's on you to cover your mouth when you cough. People who do that should be jailed.

 

[ponytrekker]

It is. That’s why this sucks so much. If everyone, or f*** just most people, was at least on the same page about taking precautions when sick, we would be much better off. That’s a long shot in the land of liberty though. Some problems require cohesiveness and shared direction to solve, and we are so far away from that it’s not even funny.

No it is because we specifically DO NOT DO this in the US. Anyone nonasian who precorona wore a mask when sick was looked at like a lunatic. And basic shit like learning to cover your mouth when you cough. People who don't had shit parents who raised them to only think about themselves. This is why this country's in this mess.

 

[ponytrekker]

People who cough in public in NYC generally are getting the crap beat out of them these days

. And I’m talking not about a guy who said “Hey everyone, that cough for two months I walked around the office mouth coughing with — I came back positive, get yourself checked out.” Rather “I got the antibodies!!”

 

[eco's bones]

This thing will eventually pass and then we can construct whatever the new normal will be. But life isn't in imminent threat of ending at least yet. People should take the necessary precautions and I think most people know what they are and yeah it's inconvenient but I wouldn't want to be responsible if I could help it at all for getting the virus and passing it along to someone else (and odds are fairly high you will pass it to someone close to you) and them dying or having a serious health issue for the rest of their life. So the inconvenience is something we should put up with.

Speaking of which I was reading a story the other day about a barber in Kingston NY continued to cut hair even though he wasn't supposed to and now it's turned out he has Covid-19 so they're trying to track down anyone whose hair he cut. Irresponsible. I'm sure his business was hurting but now there's the possibility that for him maybe making a few hundred extra dollars other people could be sick because of him. It's something IMO he should be ashamed about. If he has infected someone and they do die that's on him.

 

[NYR Viper]

Not sure if you read the article, but Boris has apparently been saying that he intends to proactively address the UK's obesity problem. As in, he intends to enact legislation and/or utilize other governmental tools to modify people's behavior when it comes to eating. This is the "right wing" in the UK. Compare that to what's happening here right now.

If there is universal healthcare there should be some proactivity done by some group to try to make the population more healthy. It saved the govt money long term.

If the US goes to Universal healthcare I’m hopeful people will be pushed to take care of themselves more.

 

[Irishguy42]

If there is universal healthcare there should be some proactivity done by some group to try to make the population more healthy. It saved the govt money long term.

If the US goes to Universal healthcare I’m hopeful people will be pushed to take care of themselves more.

Yes, not having healthcare tied to being employed will be a massive benefit to people's health, and it's a big no-brainer.

People (usually) having to sacrifice happiness just so they stay healthy is awful.

 

[Synergy27]

If there is universal healthcare there should be some proactivity done by some group to try to make the population more healthy. It saved the govt money long term.

If the US goes to Universal healthcare I’m hopeful people will be pushed to take care of themselves more.

I’m on board with this, but I actually understand why a lot people aren’t. There should 100% be a way to opt out of you want to, but in my opinion, those that opt out shouldn’t be offered access to services under any circumstances. Like, even if you are rushed to the emergency room with whatever issue, if you choose the path of rugged individualism, be prepared to see it through to the literal end. Go to the private emergency room that will undoubtedly spring up to serve you because markets.

This philosophy is pretty consistent for me across the board, and is the main reason why I am so outraged by the bailouts. Corporations and other business entities that use every tool at their disposal to avoid taxes and minimize regulation should not, under any circumstances, be eligible for aid provided by the centralized/federal fund. You’re either in or out, no more being out while everything is fine but in in in when the shit hits the fan.

 

[aufheben]

So I have onboarding for a new job next week and I don’t have any masks (I haven’t been going out much). Should I make one, wear a bandana, or go out and buy one?

I went on a hike last week and made one out of a sock.

 

[Irishguy42]

So I have onboarding for a new job next week and I don’t have any masks (I haven’t been going out much). Should I make one, wear a bandana, or go out and buy one?

I went on a hike last week and made one out of a sock.

Something is better than nothing.

I would see if anywhere by you is selling surgical masks, at least. Otherwise, cloth masks will be fine for the time being. Bandana works too.

 

[aufheben]

Something is better than nothing.

I would see if anywhere by you is selling surgical masks, at least. Otherwise, cloth masks will be fine for the time being. Bandana works too.

Well I’m obviously not wearing nothing lol. Google Shopping has limited their search results for “surgical masks”, where can you even buy them now?

 

[Ola]

So I have onboarding for a new job next week and I don’t have any masks (I haven’t been going out much). Should I make one, wear a bandana, or go out and buy one?

I went on a hike last week and made one out of a sock.

Don’t wear one, say that you don’t believe in conspiracy theories!

 

[Irishguy42]

Well I’m obviously not wearing nothing lol. Google Shopping has limited their search results for “surgical masks”, where can you even buy them now?

Surprisingly, there are decent amount of actual good ones on Etsy. Shipping is a pain though, so that is probably not the greatest route.

Places like GNC, pharmacies, etc. should be getting stuff back in stock. I'd check with them. Heck...maybe you get lucky with Home Depot or something.