OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part V

[True Blue]

Sometime between May 1oth-20th is my. Cuomo knows they can't afford to stay shut down any longer. There will be an abundance of preventative measures taken and there will be a phased approach. It is common sense.

That is common sense. I am starting to believe that Cuomo actually punted and moved to the 15th, is because he actually does not know what to do. And if he kicks the can down the road to 6/1, it will confirm it for me.

He knows that he needs to begin to open NYC up. The economic and social damage is just unsustainable. But by opening up the economy, that does not mean letting those people that work in office buildings return. That does nothing for the economy. He needs to get the small businesses going. So what is that in NYC? It is the gyms, the barber shops, the delis, the restaurants, the bars, etc. These businesses are not sustainable for the long term with the concept of social distancing. That is the drivers of economy. Yes, you need the office workers to make those places function, but it is those places that need to open. But they cannot sustain for long if you limit them to 50 percent capacity.

I actually think that what is a middle ground would be having those places have let's say 50 percent capacity for the first month, 75% the next and then a full return. Or something like that.

I think that a natural phasing in will take place as companies where people can either work in office or work from home will still allow people to work from home. Or go to several week rotations where half the office is in and the other half works from home. That will naturally keep capacity lower at the small businesses I mention. But as people start to get more and more confident, the capacity at the other places starts to increase.

On top of that, social distancing will collapse on itself and it will have nothing to do with Trump. People won’t stay cooped up indefinitely. The nicer weather will people outside en masse, even in NY & CA. Workplaces will open and the barriers will fall as people gather in groups for coffee or a few drinks.

 

[True Blue]

Only if it is a Europe tribute band.

I would have opted for Poison, myself.

 

[True Blue]

To read the article this guy is even referred to dismissively by other Trump apparatchiks in the White House as the 'dog breeder'. He's a joke to some of them even.

That article is a complete disgrace. Typical anti-Trump drivel. I need not be a fan his or a hater, but that is the typical level of writing that I have come to expect when it comes to anything having to to with Trump. At least by most media. Sort of like watching MSNBC non-stop.

 

[Don Chytil]

That is common sense. I am starting to believe that Cuomo actually punted and moved to the 15th, is because he actually does not know what to do. And if he kicks the can down the road to 6/1, it will confirm it for me.

He knows that he needs to begin to open NYC up. The economic and social damage is just unsustainable. But by opening up the economy, that does not mean letting those people that work in office buildings return. That does nothing for the economy. He needs to get the small businesses going. So what is that in NYC? It is the gyms, the barber shops, the delis, the restaurants, the bars, etc. These businesses are not sustainable for the long term with the concept of social distancing. That is the drivers of economy. Yes, you need the office workers to make those places function, but it is those places that need to open. But they cannot sustain for long if you limit them to 50 percent capacity.

I actually think that what is a middle ground would be having those places have let's say 50 percent capacity for the first month, 75% the next and then a full return. Or something like that.

I think that a natural phasing in will take place as companies where people can either work in office or work from home will still allow people to work from home. Or go to several week rotations where half the office is in and the other half works from home. That will naturally keep capacity lower at the small businesses I mention. But as people start to get more and more confident, the capacity at the other places starts to increase.

On top of that, social distancing will collapse on itself and it will have nothing to do with Trump. People won’t stay cooped up indefinitely. The nicer weather will people outside en masse, even in NY & CA. Workplaces will open and the barriers will fall as people gather in groups for coffee or a few drinks.

Most people are definitely not going to feel comfortable going to a barbershop, a bar, a deli, by June 1st unless there are widely distributed antibody tests by that time. I know personally I'm just fine staying cooped up and letting my hair grow and having my groceries delivered until I can both a) get a test to prove that I have antibodies AND b) get a test to show that I am not an asymptomatic carrier of the virus. So how long until I can have both of those tests delivered to my door? Because I'm not putting myself and other people at risk just to stimulate the economy.

Most people who work in office buildings can easily work from home with no issue. It's been exactly the same as being in the office. So for many people like myself, the benefits of "opening up the economy" don't come anywhere close to the risks of endangering myself and others. I can support my favorite local restaurants from home with a click of a button. My favorite wine shop has been getting more business from me than usual over the last month. So you guys can keep talking about mid-May or June 1 or whatever date but good luck getting everyone to buy-in and put themselves at risk.

 

[LORDE]

If the barber's ain't open by June 1st, I'm starting a metal band.

Who's in?

Way ahead of you man!!!

I've already begun sculpting my mullet and the other day for a happy hour for co-workers via zoom I put it in a mohawk and shaved my beard into a "Deadwood" Bullock type. Everyone loved it.

I even crafted some lower 3rd graphics for PNN (Pandemic News Network) since we're in TV. Was a hit

 

[LORDE]

I'm not superstitious

 

[Irishguy42]

I'm not superstitious

Just a little stitious

 

[True Blue]

Most people are definitely not going to feel comfortable going to a barbershop, a bar, a deli, by June 1st unless there are widely distributed antibody tests by that time. I know personally I'm just fine staying cooped up and letting my hair grow and having my groceries delivered until I can both a) get a test to prove that I have antibodies AND b) get a test to show that I am not an asymptomatic carrier of the virus. So how long until I can have both of those tests delivered to my door? Because I'm not putting myself and other people at risk just to stimulate the economy.

Most people who work in office buildings can easily work from home with no issue. It's been exactly the same as being in the office. So for many people like myself, the benefits of "opening up the economy" don't come anywhere close to the risks of endangering myself and others. I can support my favorite local restaurants from home with a click of a button. My favorite wine shop has been getting more business from me than usual over the last month. So you guys can keep talking about mid-May or June 1 or whatever date but good luck getting everyone to buy-in and put themselves at risk.

I realize that some are not, but some will. And that is how you kick off getting the economy back on track. You have to get the economy moving or commit economic suicide.

I respect people like you and your views, but there is actually no choice but to get the economies moving. And that means getting small businesses moving.

Your favorite restaurant can only survive for so long on strictly take out orders. I know of several that will never re-open again. Keep it up for long and that will be the same story for most restaurants.

It is only a matter of time before hospitals simply go back to performing surgeries and not just caring for virus victims.

 

[Tawnos]

Stay at home extended to May 8 here in NC.

4 things that factor into us easing restrictions:
-14 day decline in symptomic illness
-14 day decline in hospitalizations
-14 day decline in positive tests
-minimum of 30 days worth of PPE.

We have a green light on the first, but not the other 3.

3 phases plan for reopening, once we reach the thresholds:
1.) People can leave for commercial activity, retailers must follow distancing and cleaning protocols, parks can reopen, 10 max gathering.
2.) 2-4 weeks after 1. Fully lift stay at home, but continued restriction on vulnerable population. Restaurants, bars, entertainment, churches etc opened at reduced capacity. Increase gathering limit.
3.) 4-6 weeks after 2. Lessened restrictions on vulnerable population. Further increased capacity and gathering limits.

 

[Don Chytil]

I realize that some are not, but some will. And that is how you kick off getting the economy back on track. You have to get the economy moving or commit economic suicide.

I respect people like you and your views, but there is actually no choice but to get the economies moving. And that means getting small businesses moving.

Your favorite restaurant can only survive for so long on strictly take out orders. I know of several that will never re-open again. Keep it up for long and that will be the same story for most restaurants.

It is only a matter of time before hospitals simply go back to performing surgeries and not just caring for virus victims.

I hope that you're right, and I hope that this is the case. But with many reports that there could be a second, worse outbreak in the fall/winter, my fear would be that the people who do choose to go out and get the economy moving will only make that second outbreak much worse. And the hospitals that went back to performing surgeries are again underwater. So I'm willing to wait for the tests before risking that.

As for my favorite restaurant not opening back up again.. it's a good thing I've used the time in quarantine to become a much better home cook. I think things like a pandemic start to make you question what's really important, and certain things become the new normal. You start to realize that, given enough time and effort, you can make fresh pasta as well as your neighborhood restaurant for 1/10th of the price. Or why you ever had to go to a bar when you've now perfected your margarita and martini recipes. You begin to wonder why you pay someone else to cut your hair when your wife or your buzzer does a decent enough job. Or why you ever went to Starbucks when the espresso machine you just bought saves you a ton of money. I don't know, these are just a few examples that might be based too closely off of my own experience so far. But I wonder about a larger awakening along those lines that certain sectors of the economy never really recover from.

 

[Overcast]

If the barber's ain't open by June 1st, I'm starting a metal band.

Who's in?

My mullet is disgusting, greasy, unkempt, and ready to f***ing rock.

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

That was the whole point of the lockdown, right? Flatten the curve to avoid the hospital systems from being overrun. Capacity is returning and in some cities never became an issue at all.

Yea the thing I was responding to was the thought that is we were all going to get it we should just get on with it.

 

[will1066]

I'm not superstitious

So let the good times rock.

 

[Gardner McKay]

That is common sense. I am starting to believe that Cuomo actually punted and moved to the 15th, is because he actually does not know what to do. And if he kicks the can down the road to 6/1, it will confirm it for me.

He knows that he needs to begin to open NYC up. The economic and social damage is just unsustainable. But by opening up the economy, that does not mean letting those people that work in office buildings return. That does nothing for the economy. He needs to get the small businesses going. So what is that in NYC? It is the gyms, the barber shops, the delis, the restaurants, the bars, etc. These businesses are not sustainable for the long term with the concept of social distancing. That is the drivers of economy. Yes, you need the office workers to make those places function, but it is those places that need to open. But they cannot sustain for long if you limit them to 50 percent capacity.

I actually think that what is a middle ground would be having those places have let's say 50 percent capacity for the first month, 75% the next and then a full return. Or something like that.

I think that a natural phasing in will take place as companies where people can either work in office or work from home will still allow people to work from home. Or go to several week rotations where half the office is in and the other half works from home. That will naturally keep capacity lower at the small businesses I mention. But as people start to get more and more confident, the capacity at the other places starts to increase.

On top of that, social distancing will collapse on itself and it will have nothing to do with Trump. People won’t stay cooped up indefinitely. The nicer weather will people outside en masse, even in NY & CA. Workplaces will open and the barriers will fall as people gather in groups for coffee or a few drinks.

You're probably right. However, while I am no fan of Cuomo but I have to acknowledge two things here. 1. He has done a phenomenal job in handling this virus. 2. Neither do 49 other governors.

We are in an unprecedented situation and that is why I find a lot of the overly harsh criticism (not that yours is) that different governors are seeing to be just that. Overly harsh.

There are too many gross overreactions. The whole "the economy isn't worth more than my loved ones life" is as much of a ridiculous overreaction as "if we don't open up the economy people are going to die". A phased, methodical approach on a state by state basis is the only sensible solution.

 

[Tawnos]

You're probably right. However, while I am no fan of Cuomo but I have to acknowledge two things here. 1. He has done a phenomenal job in handling this virus. 2. Neither do 49 other governors.

We are in an unprecedented situation and that is why I find a lot of the overly harsh criticism (not that yours is) that different governors are seeing to be just that. Overly harsh.

There are too many gross overreactions. The whole "the economy isn't worth more than my loved ones life" is as much of a ridiculous overreaction as "if we don't open up the economy people are going to die". A phased, methodical approach on a state by state basis is the only sensible solution.

Which is exactly the kind of plan just announced by the NC governor.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You're probably right. However, while I am no fan of Cuomo but I have to acknowledge two things here. 1. He has done a phenomenal job in handling this virus. 2. Neither do 49 other governors.

We are in an unprecedented situation and that is why I find a lot of the overly harsh criticism (not that yours is) that different governors are seeing to be just that. Overly harsh.

There are too many gross overreactions. The whole "the economy isn't worth more than my loved ones life" is as much of a ridiculous overreaction as "if we don't open up the economy people are going to die". A phased, methodical approach on a state by state basis is the only sensible solution.

Eh, he started off okay, but he is quickly falling fast.

'You want to go to work? Go take a job as an essential worker’: Cuomo pushes back on coronavirus protesters

“I get the economic hardship,” he said during a press briefing. “Everybody gets it. Everybody feels it.”

Really? Do you feel it Cuomo, being a multi millionaire and with that nice bonus you received this year? Now i don't support what the protesters are doing, but jeeze some of these people's livelihood is being destroyed because of everything being closed. So i have to say i'm a bit more sorry for them and it was a pretty tone-deaf thing to say. I'm sure a lot of those would love to get hired right now to work for anything, even during this, instead of going poor and not being able to provide for their family and kids.

 

[eco's bones]

Stay at home extended to May 8 here in NC.

4 things that factor into us easing restrictions:
-14 day decline in symptomic illness
-14 day decline in hospitalizations
-14 day decline in positive tests
-minimum of 30 days worth of PPE.

We have a green light on the first, but not the other 3.

3 phases plan for reopening, once we reach the thresholds:
1.) People can leave for commercial activity, retailers must follow distancing and cleaning protocols, parks can reopen, 10 max gathering.
2.) 2-4 weeks after 1. Fully lift stay at home, but continued restriction on vulnerable population. Restaurants, bars, entertainment, churches etc opened at reduced capacity. Increase gathering limit.
3.) 4-6 weeks after 2. Lessened restrictions on vulnerable population. Further increased capacity and gathering limits.

Those seem like reasonable criteria for reopening.

 

[eco's bones]

That article is a complete disgrace. Typical anti-Trump drivel. I need not be a fan his or a hater, but that is the typical level of writing that I have come to expect when it comes to anything having to to with Trump. At least by most media. Sort of like watching MSNBC non-stop.

It's a disgrace that this is the best this administration can do.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Incase you missed the 200,000 ads, Alicia Keys will be singing tonight while everybody is watching the NFL draft.

A few moments of normalcy. Back to being a sports fan.

 

[xbure9x]

You're probably right. However, while I am no fan of Cuomo but I have to acknowledge two things here. 1. He has done a phenomenal job in handling this virus. 2. Neither do 49 other governors.

We are in an unprecedented situation and that is why I find a lot of the overly harsh criticism (not that yours is) that different governors are seeing to be just that. Overly harsh.

There are too many gross overreactions. The whole "the economy isn't worth more than my loved ones life" is as much of a ridiculous overreaction as "if we don't open up the economy people are going to die". A phased, methodical approach on a state by state basis is the only sensible solution.

Im curious as to what you think he's done that's phenomenal other than getting on TV everyday and babbling about the same stuff. I don't blame him for what has happened, it would've happened here regardless of who was the governor. But I'm not sure he's done anything that any of us couldn't have done as the governor. I don't envy the position he is in, but I don't think he deserves all the credit he has received from some people.

 

[Machinehead]

I was out for awhile today getting my exercise.

Without blinking, 9 out of 10 people are wearing a mask. That's very good. The businesses that are open are all doing protocols and they have instructions up on the door for customers to follow. All of them have customer limits and most of them say "no mask, no service."

If we stick with things like that, it's going to be difficult for the virus to spread. I think we're going to be ok with easing some restrictions in the coming weeks. People can gradually return to work, parks and beaches, gatherings with limited capacity.

Masks and distancing protocols in certain places will likely be required for awhile. I know people don't like "required" but a mask and waiting in line is a small ask to save lives.

Restaurants and bars, we're going to have to play by ear. It sounds silly but it's true -- you can't eat and drink with a mask on. That complicates things in that industry.

Mass gatherings are obviously out and nobody knows until when. I'm confident sports will be back behind closed doors, though.

Our biggest challenges are going to be schools and public transit. Both are essential. Every classroom in New York State is a mass gathering. Every train car is a mass gathering. Don't know what we're gonna do and I'm glad it's not my job to figure it out.

 

[Tawnos]

Those seem like reasonable criteria for reopening.

Yep. It’s also made clear that those thresholds have to be maintained. The governor can go back to how things were under another phase if the data warrants it.

 

[Synergy27]

Just came here to see what the current defense of dear leader’s suggestion that we shoot intense UV light and disinfectant inside people’s bodies to kill the virus might be.

Idiot or visionary? Perhaps both?

 

[Irishguy42]

Just came here to see what the current defense of dear leader’s suggestion that we shoot intense UV light and disinfectant inside people’s bodies to kill the virus might be.

Idiot or visionary? Perhaps both?

Idiot

There's really nothing to support it.

 

[eco's bones]

Yep. It’s also made clear that those thresholds have to be maintained. The governor can go back to how things were under another phase if the data warrants it.

I agree. If things start spiking the wrong way then it will be time to step on the brake or at least a bit. A main concern for me is a second wave. I'd rather we get everything right the first time but that might not be possible if not all the states are basically on the same page. That's one of the reasons why I think doing it regionally like the group of New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Maryland are doing and like some of the midwest states are doing is a smart idea.