OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part V

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Let me just say that if there are bail outs of another major group of companies with the American tax payer footing the bill I may lose it. The govt spending is out of control to begin with. It’s time for these HUGE companies to take some responsibility for themselves and not over leverage themselves.

this would actually be the only bailout we could justify. Bailouts all started with Long Term Capital - When Genius Failed. It’s been the norm ever since.
 
Well...Well....Well....

Maybe it is time to start opening things up

I think so too. I think the country wide shutdowns really will be questioned. Most outbreaks seem to have peaked just about the time these measures were put in place.

With that said — the worst hot spots like NYC, Northern Italy and so forth are different. But in general — it seems like people just watching their hands and staying at home if you have any kind of flu symptoms gets you a long long way.
 
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Well...Well....Well....

Maybe it is time to start opening things up

Sweden did it completely different and I feel like its one of those things that you can't half ass... which is exactly what we would be doing if we just opened up the entire country right now.

They said **** it from the beginning.

Georgia is going to be an interesting experiment.
 
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Well...Well....Well....

Maybe it is time to start opening things up

If you read the article, they’re doing that at the expense of a higher infection and mortality rate compared to their neighbors who did shutdown. Sorry that not everyone is willing to trade one for the other. Me personally, I’d rather it take longer and have less people die.
 
Sweden did it completely different and I feel like its one of those things that you can't half ass... which is exactly what we would be doing if we just opened up the entire country right now.

They said **** it from the beginning.

Georgia is going to be an interesting experiment.

Yup. Not something that is really possible when its up to 50 different governors making their own decision here.

One thing I really take from this is I am warming up to the idea of opening up schools, particularly grade schools, as the first phase. @Ola brought this up before, but it starts the ball rolling with the lowest risk group. Kids and young parents. Should be optional attendance so if a kid lives at home with an elderly person they aren't put at risk. Bring in subs for any elderly teachers. This also allows people with young kids to start working properly from home again or at least have them ready to go once phase two starts because they don't have to worry about childcare.

Unfortunately, I think something like this would have needed to be implemented already in a lot of places if you believe in phasing things back in like I do. Going to be too many people screaming bloody murder if they have to wait another month to start working.
 
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If you read the article, they’re doing that at the expense of a higher infection and mortality rate compared to their neighbors who did shutdown. Sorry that not everyone is willing to trade one for the other. Me personally, I’d rather it take longer and have less people die.

It’s an unknown... you may find out that the mortality rate is similar in the long run. At the same time you know one way will crush an economy and one won’t.

I’m not advocating for or against, but it’s interesting.
 
The other thing with Sweden, for whatever reason their curve was always flatter than what happened here. Our cases were growing exponentially and we had no choice to shut things down completely at that point. Really not sure what the root cause of that is.
 
If you read the article, they’re doing that at the expense of a higher infection and mortality rate compared to their neighbors who did shutdown. Sorry that not everyone is willing to trade one for the other. Me personally, I’d rather it take longer and have less people die.

Initially yes. But if the experts that are saying the second wave will be deadlier are to be believed, that may not exactly be the case. Only time will tell.
 
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Initially yes. But if the experts that are saying the second wave will be deadlier are to be believed, that may not exactly be the case. Only time will tell.

saw stats and graphs (many have) for the Spanish flu, etc and the 2nd wave dwarfs the 1st wave.

Can’t believe we are actually posting about this and we’re approx only 3 months into (less than 2 since schools closed)
 
Yah, interesting.

I'm not sacrificing my 72-year-old mother who had pneumonia last winter so that others can open their businesses back up 2 months earlier.

At first glance, I agree. However, with Sweden we may find out that the initial hit runs through and creates major immunity to let this thing run its course. Or we may find out that the numbers wind up being equal in the end. A crushed economy causes death so in the end you’d potentially be way better off running it through initially. Can you make an argument that it might be better off to quarantine the high risk like your mother - let this thing run through - and maybe in a few months she can rejoin a mostly immune society? You can. I have no idea if things work out that way or not but it’s worth considering. For all we know, we quarantine for 3 months and this thing comes roaring back. At that point, do you requarantine or admit that this doesn’t work.
 
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