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Are there any restrictions for you guys to travel between states at the moment?

If you were to drive through the Connecticut border into Rhode Island, you may be waved into the rest stop by the RI national guard and reminded to stay at home for 14 days. That is the extent of restrictions on interstate travel that I'm aware of.

I currently live in New London county and my girlfriend lives in Narragansett. We're currently doing the star-crossed lovers thing. It's as inconvenient as it is romantic.
 
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I just find it weird that you give the benefit of the doubt to Trump that he "now gets it" but just assume in a weird hypothetical that Biden and Pelosi wouldn't. Why not also just say that De Blasio now gets it too? I don't think you can just let one of them get off the hook in accountability and I don't see how its beneficial to let either off the hook.

I wouldn’t say “let off the hook”. I think it was a poor start but since then it has been generally positive. I just know the “travel ban” would have been pushed - Schumer said it himself - as racist.

We can point fingers all around - ultimately I think most people came together and did the right thing. There are plenty of people I normally wouldn’t care for who’ve done a great job. I think we can probably punch holes in just about everyone, but in the end, I think it’s working.
 
This is such obvious common sense, why haven't they been doing this for at least the past week if not more (WEEKS for the capacity limitation)

would be easier if they were giving out masks like in other countries..

its funny though how 3 weeks ago they were saying don't waste your time buying regular surgical masks, if you don't get the n95 masks with filtration they are pointless. now they are like just make a mask at home, wrap a tshirt around your head and i'm sure thats good enough
 
I wouldn’t say “let off the hook”. I think it was a poor start but since then it has been generally positive. I just know the “travel ban” would have been pushed - Schumer said it himself - as racist.

We can point fingers all around - ultimately I think most people came together and did the right thing. There are plenty of people I normally wouldn’t care for who’ve done a great job. I think we can probably punch holes in just about everyone, but in the end, I think it’s working.

I just think the only way to get better results in the future is to hold people accountable. I don't think it is unreasonable for calling Trump out for not acting quicker and dismissing the intelligence reports on it, I don't think its unreasonable to say the same for De Blasio, and I don't think its unreasonable to call the people out who called the travel ban racist. If we hand wave it all away then nothing ever changes for the better since they can just do the same thing next time. Whether it is these same people, or whomever is in their position in the future.

I do agree with you that now everyone is on the same page and the results are showing. I also think, while there are plenty of dumb people out there still not socially distancing themselves, the vast majority are doing what they can. Go us.
 
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I just think the only way to get better results in the future is to hold people accountable. I don't think it is unreasonable for calling Trump out for not acting quicker and dismissing the intelligence reports on it, I don't think its unreasonable to say the same for De Blasio, and I don't think its unreasonable to call the people out who called the travel ban racist. If we hand wave it all away then nothing ever changes for the better since they can just do the same thing next time. Whether it is these same people, or whomever is in their position in the future.

I do agree with you that now everyone is on the same page and the results are showing. I also think, while there are plenty of dumb people out there still not socially distancing themselves, the vast majority are doing what they can. Go us.

Well said. I’d just rather wait to finger point when this is a memory. I don’t think attacking people now helps anything but makes people even more divisive.

But yes, go us. When people work together, we can do great things!
 
would be easier if they were giving out masks like in other countries..

its funny though how 3 weeks ago they were saying don't waste your time buying regular surgical masks, if you don't get the n95 masks with filtration they are pointless. now they are like just make a mask at home, wrap a tshirt around your head and i'm sure thats good enough
My view is that the respirator style masks like N95 stop you from breathing in the virus whereas cloth masks may not do such a good job breathing in but are effective for not spreading it out when you talk & breath
 
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Well said. I’d just rather wait to finger point when this is a memory. I don’t think attacking people now helps anything but makes people even more divisive.

But yes, go us. When people work together, we can do great things!

The only thing I disagree with is that I think things would be worse if there wasn't mounting public pressure on some of these politicians to actually take it more seriously than they were. Criticizing in the moment can be very important. There is of course a line, that is often hard not to cross, where you can't just do it based on personal or political bias off the cuff and you actually have to come to an informed position based on the facts.

And when and if those facts change based on more information it would behoove everyone to then re-analyze their position when that time comes.
 
Two students. Wow. I’ve got at least 15 close friends who have contracted it. Not students - guys I’ve known for years. I have an ex-girlfriend who I’m still close with who is a respiratory nurse in a major hospital. I know cops/paramedics responding to 4-5 aided cases per day with CoVid symptoms - some with high risk people at home. I’m not saying this doesn’t effect you. I am saying you’re not rational.

I’m sure - more teachers! It must be horrible for you at home in front of your TV! I’m willing to bet everything I have that 5X as many cops have this thing over teachers.

Chill out, stay safe/smart and you’ll be fine. You should be a calming influence to your students, not a chicken little.
You're perceiving it as not rational because I criticized your precious president. Everything I've said is fact-based. I won't name them because I'm not dragging anyone into this but multiple people in this thread that I have absolutely nothing in common with politically have told me as much and commended my rational response. I didn't bring personal attacks into it. You did.

I f***ing wish I was sitting in front of my tv. You have no idea the work I've put in to transition in-person courses to online courses in a matter of days. You won't even grasp what that takes because you're completely ignorant to what goes into it. You write off my relationship with the students by saying "oh well these are my actual friends who I know for years." Again, you're demonstrating your complete ignorance to what I do and what goes into it. Every student I have is a personal relationship. If you think education is just putting work in front of them, writing grades next to names on paper, and then forgetting about it, then YOUR education has failed you and I'm sorry that's the case.

That's not me. I'm not some dispenser where you press a button and lecture falls out. I'm a leader, I'm a supporter, I'm a counselor, I'm an adviser. I wear many hats for many different students and do everything I can to be there for them as a human being. That's what my profession is about. The material in the book is secondary. Always has been, always will be.

And you know what? I'm not anything special. I'm not any better than anybody else. (One look at my paycheck will f***ing tell you that) But to sit there and write it off as me sitting in front of the tv doing nothing and worrying about nothing is one of the most heinous takes I have ever read on this forum, and buddy, that's some stiff competition.

You read my posts but it's evident that you don't know who I really am nor do you understand what it is that I do. You're full of shit on this topic and you look foolish to anybody who understands it.
 
The only thing I disagree with is that I think things would be worse if there wasn't mounting public pressure on some of these politicians to actually take it more seriously than they were. Criticizing in the moment can be very important. There is of course a line, that is often hard not to cross, where you can't just do it based on personal or political bias off the cuff and you actually have to come to an informed position based on the facts.

And when and if those facts change based on more information it would behoove everyone to then re-analyze their position when that time comes.

I don’t disagree as far as it’s level. I don’t think anyone should be beyond reproach.

I just get turned off coming to a group like this with people I enjoy hearing from and see it being more “Trump is a bastard,” than people pulling together and telling personal stories. I guess I’d rather see more support group than political commentary. I could bash Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Deblasio or I could bash Trump and Pence depending on which side of the political discussion I fall on. It just aggravates half the people here. I guess I should go back to debating whether or not to trade ADA ;-)
 
Sports talk radio is terrible right now. They ran out of advertisers to pay for ads so it's non-stop public service announcements and random ads to watch reruns

Brutal listen so often when there are sports. Now it’s unlistenable. Every once in a while I flip on WFAN and have to shut it down within 10 min.
 
I’d like to do a wellness check on Bern, Bern you there?

Cant wait to get back to arguing about Kakko’s lateral speed and edge work
 
You're perceiving it as not rational because I criticized your precious president. Everything I've said is fact-based. I won't name them because I'm not dragging anyone into this but multiple people in this thread that I have absolutely nothing in common with politically have told me as much and commended my rational response. I didn't bring personal attacks into it. You did.

I f***ing wish I was sitting in front of my tv. You have no idea the work I've put in to transition in-person courses to online courses in a matter of days. You won't even grasp what that takes because you're completely ignorant to what goes into it. You write off my relationship with the students by saying "oh well these are my actual friends who I know for years." Again, you're demonstrating your complete ignorance to what I do and what goes into it. Every student I have is a personal relationship. If you think education is just putting work in front of them, writing grades next to names on paper, and then forgetting about it, then YOUR education has failed you and I'm sorry that's the case.

That's not me. I'm not some dispenser where you press a button and lecture falls out. I'm a leader, I'm a supporter, I'm a counselor, I'm an adviser. I wear many hats for many different students and do everything I can to be there for them as a human being. That's what my profession is about. The material in the book is secondary. Always has been, always will be.

And you know what? I'm not anything special. I'm not any better than anybody else. (One look at my paycheck will f***ing tell you that) But to sit there and write it off as me sitting in front of the tv doing nothing and worrying about nothing is one of the most heinous takes I have ever read on this forum, and buddy, that's some stiff competition.

You read my posts but it's evident that you don't know who I really am nor do you understand what it is that I do. You're full of shit on this topic and you look foolish to anybody who understands it.

I apologize for the personal attack. That wasn’t proper or how I normally conduct myself.

I actually have a pretty decent idea of what you do considering I have a History degree and my original intention was to teach. My brother is a professor - I get it.

My take is that I’m on the front lines of this. I GET it. It sucks. I normally visit my parents twice a week, but they’re high risk so I avoid them. I’ll pick up groceries if necessary to leave them on their porch and they’ll wipe them down before taking them when I leave. I have close friends dealing with this. There’s a solid chance that I’ll get this. I see guys walking into houses triple checking their PPE’s because they have small kids or elderly parents at home. It sucks. It does. At the same point, you need to be rational. You be as smart and considerate as you can. You probably won’t get it, but if you do there’s a 99% survival rate. I’ll stay home on my days off because of that, but I’m not laying in a pool of cold sweat over that.

I like Trump, but that doesn’t mean I think he’s infallible. He’s made mistakes. So have a lot of other politicians. I think we are actually doing really well with coming together and getting through this thing at the moment. This was coming regardless. Maybe it could’ve been mitigated better, but it is what it is at this point. Hopefully we get some better protocols in place when this BS is over.
 
I apologize for the personal attack. That wasn’t proper or how I normally conduct myself.

I actually have a pretty decent idea of what you do considering I have a History degree and my original intention was to teach. My brother is a professor - I get it.

My take is that I’m on the front lines of this. I GET it. It sucks. I normally visit my parents twice a week, but they’re high risk so I avoid them. I’ll pick up groceries if necessary to leave them on their porch and they’ll wipe them down before taking them when I leave. I have close friends dealing with this. There’s a solid chance that I’ll get this. I see guys walking into houses triple checking their PPE’s because they have small kids or elderly parents at home. It sucks. It does. At the same point, you need to be rational. You be as smart and considerate as you can. You probably won’t get it, but if you do there’s a 99% survival rate. I’ll stay home on my days off because of that, but I’m not laying in a pool of cold sweat over that.

I like Trump, but that doesn’t mean I think he’s infallible. He’s made mistakes. So have a lot of other politicians. I think we are actually doing really well with coming together and getting through this thing at the moment. This was coming regardless. Maybe it could’ve been mitigated better, but it is what it is at this point. Hopefully we get some better protocols in place when this BS is over.
I appreciate you saying so. I don't like to get harsh but what I do is very important to me and I would like to think very important to the people I've been responsible for in my career.

We're all on the front lines, in a way. If we're not, we know somebody personally who is.

I don't think what I've said is irrational, I'm sorry if it came off that way.

Forget about Trump for a minute. The fact is, the United States is the epicenter of the world in this pandemic. By far. If you believe that other countries are fudging their numbers, I'm not arguing with you, but the gap is absolutely massive and no amount of fudging is going to close it. And the idea that we're the only country being honest about it is, well, irrational.

I don't think it's irrational, unpatriotic, out of line, or anything else of that ilk, to suggest that the United States of America -and everything we've been told about it, and the reputation that it holds- should be better than this.

It's not down to one man and I never said that it is. It's just that Trump happens to be the president and when you take that job, you take on accountability for what happens. That's what leadership is.

I do think that the real driving forces behind how bad things went here predate Trump. I'm just expecting the president to be more responsible when he speaks. It shouldn't be a tall order for somebody in that position. We're all caught up in PC and cancel culture these days, and I get it -- look, I don't want comedians/artists careers ruined for saying one dumb thing, I get that. But we can't take that to the point where words don't matter. From our leaders, they do.
 
I think this is a good time for.......
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You're perceiving it as not rational because I criticized your precious president. Everything I've said is fact-based. I won't name them because I'm not dragging anyone into this but multiple people in this thread that I have absolutely nothing in common with politically have told me as much and commended my rational response. I didn't bring personal attacks into it. You did.

I f***ing wish I was sitting in front of my tv. You have no idea the work I've put in to transition in-person courses to online courses in a matter of days. You won't even grasp what that takes because you're completely ignorant to what goes into it. You write off my relationship with the students by saying "oh well these are my actual friends who I know for years." Again, you're demonstrating your complete ignorance to what I do and what goes into it. Every student I have is a personal relationship. If you think education is just putting work in front of them, writing grades next to names on paper, and then forgetting about it, then YOUR education has failed you and I'm sorry that's the case.

That's not me. I'm not some dispenser where you press a button and lecture falls out. I'm a leader, I'm a supporter, I'm a counselor, I'm an adviser. I wear many hats for many different students and do everything I can to be there for them as a human being. That's what my profession is about. The material in the book is secondary. Always has been, always will be.

And you know what? I'm not anything special. I'm not any better than anybody else. (One look at my paycheck will f***ing tell you that) But to sit there and write it off as me sitting in front of the tv doing nothing and worrying about nothing is one of the most heinous takes I have ever read on this forum, and buddy, that's some stiff competition.

You read my posts but it's evident that you don't know who I really am nor do you understand what it is that I do. You're full of shit on this topic and you look foolish to anybody who understands it.
Holy f***, man. I'm sorry you had to write this, but it is beautiful and terrible at the same time. Clearly from the heart. Well done.

You, your students, and your family stay safe, brother.
 
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Yeah, because if anybody is known to avoid getting sick, it's f***ing teachers :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

As of now, I'm pretty sure there's more NYC teachers dead from coronavirus than police officers.

Two of my students got it. Not kids in my school, MY students, who have physically handed work to me. I have asthma and I live with two senior citizens. I'm extremely lucky to be healthy.

Don't f***ing talk to me about how this doesn't affect me.
Not my squabble here....but the bolded above is a truly horrendous argument. Cops are certainly more exposed to the virus right now than teachers. I don't know how that's even debatable. Perhaps there are more teachers dead, but if that is indeed true, that would be because the virus is dramatically more dangerous for 60+. And as you probably know, most cops are happily collecting their pension by 50-55. Nevermind 60. Teachers on the other hand....

But, again, who knows if that statement is even true or just complete BS. I'd be surprised if docs have the time to document deaths by profession.
 
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"Look what the blue team did" doesn't have any bearing on my soul whatsoever. I'm not a democrat, never would be.

And it doesn't excuse anything when Trump is the one in charge and still not doing enough.
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I still don't understand the orange man bad argument. Numerous leaders on the left didn't think this would be a huge ordeal either. Many even said Trump's China travel ban went too far or was even racist (Chinese are not a race...) at the time.

Even Dr. Fauci HIMSELF in early February didn't see this coming. I don't even like Trump, but the double talking on the handling of this virus is ridiculous.

This isn't a political post. More so a "hindsight is 20/20" post.
 
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Not my squabble here....but the bolded above is a truly horrendous argument. Cops are certainly more exposed to the virus right now than teachers. I don't know how that's even debatable. Perhaps there are more teachers dead, but if that is indeed true, that would be because the virus is dramatically more dangerous for 60+. And as you probably know, most cops are happily collecting their pension by 50-55. Nevermind 60. Teachers on the other hand....

But, again, who knows if that statement is even true or just complete BS. I'd be surprised if docs have the time to document deaths by profession.
There's no official count by profession.

I did my own research and New York State is making official statements updating us on the NYPD status, albeit not an official count. From these various statements, I can confirm 9 deaths for sure. Meanwhile, the stats on educators are harder to find (as NYPD officers have certainly had a higher infection rate, at least that we know of) but some unions are reporting as many as 27 of their staff dead. There's no way to confirm these numbers, but that's also just one union, leading me to believe that it's definitely an at-risk population.

It's not really the point. It's not a competition. Losses are losses. I just want you to know I didn't pull that from thin air.

Really, though, the point I was trying to make is that it's pretty laughable to suggest that educators aren't near the top of the list in terms of risk during an epidemic. Who else is in a room with 20, 30, 40 people and has surface contact with every single one of them? Airborne was famously invented by a teacher. We get sick like crazy.

Granted, they did send us home and other people can't go home. I respect that. But by the time they sent us home, we already lost people in our field. Harder jobs out there right now? Absolutely, significantly so. But to imply that teachers have had a picnic with this in terms of staying safe? Very far from the truth.
 
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I still don't understand the orange man bad argument. Numerous leaders on the left didn't think this would be a huge ordeal either. Many even said Trump's China travel ban went too far or was even racist (Chinese are not a race...) at the time.

Even Dr. Fauci HIMSELF in early February didn't see this coming. I don't even like Trump, but the double talking on the handling of this virus is ridiculous.

This isn't a political post. More so a "hindsight is 20/20" post.

Trump said this would be over soon TODAY.



This is not hindsight.
 
I apologize for the personal attack. That wasn’t proper or how I normally conduct myself.

I actually have a pretty decent idea of what you do considering I have a History degree and my original intention was to teach. My brother is a professor - I get it.

My take is that I’m on the front lines of this. I GET it. It sucks. I normally visit my parents twice a week, but they’re high risk so I avoid them. I’ll pick up groceries if necessary to leave them on their porch and they’ll wipe them down before taking them when I leave. I have close friends dealing with this. There’s a solid chance that I’ll get this. I see guys walking into houses triple checking their PPE’s because they have small kids or elderly parents at home. It sucks. It does. At the same point, you need to be rational. You be as smart and considerate as you can. You probably won’t get it, but if you do there’s a 99% survival rate. I’ll stay home on my days off because of that, but I’m not laying in a pool of cold sweat over that.

I like Trump, but that doesn’t mean I think he’s infallible. He’s made mistakes. So have a lot of other politicians. I think we are actually doing really well with coming together and getting through this thing at the moment. This was coming regardless. Maybe it could’ve been mitigated better, but it is what it is at this point. Hopefully we get some better protocols in place when this BS is over.
Here's the thing, B:

To prevent myself from falling out with posters I like on hockey matters (and to avoid tripping the banning guidelines), I've finally ignored some folks who I'd otherwise enjoy engaging in debates about TDA, LA, the upcoming draft and a host of other topics. I hope that some time in the next 12 months this crisis will have diminished, hockey will be back, and I can reengage those fans whom I genuinely like outside of certain topics.

Even in that light, however, I keep following (and occasionally engaging with) you, because you are pretty straightforward – and as you say, you generally conduct yourself very well. (Perhaps better than I do.)

But when you declare things like "I could bash Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Deblasio or I could bash Trump and Pence depending on which side of the political discussion I fall on. It just aggravates half the people here," it feels disingenuous – importantly, because it paints a false picture.

In your characterization, you've (potentially without realizing) established monoliths, which are essentially left vs. right. But I'm not aware of anyone (on this forum, at any rate) who has criticized Trump's response to the crisis who views it the same way.

Speaking personally, I've fully admitted many times over that I'm a progressive (Warren, not Bernie)... but I have NO problem expressing disdain for DeBlasio. Indeed, I had come to friggin' hate the guy even before this terrible crisis. Likewise, up until three months ago, I viewed Cuomo as a cynical, political weathervane... but I cannot deny he's damn well stepped up in the wake of this crisis. And lest you think I'm being one-sided in my presentation, come on down, Mike DeWine, Republican Governor of Ohio! He and I disagree on a lot of issues that would cause me to rage against him under other circumstances; but I cannot fail to admit he has done well by the people of his state, and the country, in the face of COVID-19 – and despite the fears of those of us on the left, did so while still making certain that voting in his state would progress in a manner safe and open to all its citizens.

Trump, meanwhile, has been objectively horrific in the face of this pandemic. The reports have been clear since the beginning about what he was informed and how he reacted at every step of the process – and even if you don't trust those reports (which is a whole other issue I'd question, but we can leave that for another time), you need only look to his own statements, and how they've changed almost daily over the last 12 weeks.

I realize this country is incredibly divided (and that, for the record makes me sad; I wish we could actually debate issues and elect our officials on the basis of those arguments), but he was the individual with the single most power to halt a pandemic, not just here but around the world, and he not only failed to do so, he actively avoided it.

That's what it means to be the President – as another President once famously said, "the buck stop here." Trump, meanwhile: "I don't take responsibility at all."

It's really, really bad.
 
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There's no official count by profession.

I did my own research and New York State is making official statements updating us on the NYPD status, albeit not an official count. From these various statements, I can confirm 9 deaths for sure. Meanwhile, the stats on educators are harder to find (as NYPD officers have certainly had a higher infection rate, at least that we know of) but some unions are reporting as many as 27 of their staff dead. There's no way to confirm these numbers, but that's also just one union, leading me to believe that it's definitely an at-risk population.

It's not really the point. It's not a competition. Losses are losses. I just want you to know I didn't pull that from thin air.

Really, though, the point I was trying to make is that it's pretty laughable to suggest that educators aren't near the top of the list in terms of risk during an epidemic. Who else is in a room with 20, 30, 40 people and has surface contact with every single one of them? Airborne was famously invented by a teacher. We get sick like crazy.

Granted, they did send us home and other people can't go home. I respect that. But by the time they sent us home, we already lost people in our field. Harder jobs out there right now? Absolutely, significantly so. But to imply that teachers have had a picnic with this in terms of staying safe? Very far from the truth.
Okay, so:

1) Yes, then you did pull it completely out of thin air and it's definitely safe to say you'd be a tad bias in conducting your assessment/investigating/whatever you wanna call it. C'mon now.

2) I wasn't really apart of this argument so I never said teachers weren't impacted/at risk. Nor would I. But I'm not understanding your argument that teachers are anywhere near the top in the current situation. That sure seems to be your argument. To me, that demonstrates a complete lack of self awareness and empathy. So what if you teach in a 30 person room? Most offices are confined spaces with even more people. Offices get crushed by the flu all the time because employees have kids (partially). How is that any different?

Anyway, the people getting screwed the most here are pretty clearly medical staff and grocery store workers. And at least one of those groups gets a decent wage.

Then comes everyone else. Distantly behind.

I saw you also complained about having to convert your lectures to online. Man, what do you think everyone else in the working world that is now teleworking is doing? A lot of people have to make drastic changes to how they conduct their day job in the current situation.

You think teachers, most of which are GUARANTEED to get paid in full during this endeavor while working safely remotely, are among the most impacted groups of people? Not those who lost their jobs? Not those who had their wages reduced? Not those working, but terrified they might get laid off if people can't return to work shortly? Not those working on the front lines interacting with hundreds of people EVERYDAY?
 
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