OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

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Okay, so:

1) Yes, then you did pull it completely out of thin air and it's definitely safe to say you'd be a tad bias in conducting your assessment/investigating/whatever you wanna call it. C'mon now.

No, I came to that based on inconclusive and anecdotal research. That's different from pulling it out of thin air.

2) I wasn't really apart of this argument so I never said teachers weren't impacted/at risk. Nor would I. But I'm not understanding your argument that teachers are anywhere near the top in the current situation. That sure seems to be your argument. To me, that demonstrates a complete lack of self awareness and empathy. So what if you teach in a 30 person room? Most offices are confined spaces with even more people. Offices get crushed by the flu all the time because employees have kids (partially). How is that any different?

Teachers catch illnesses like Ovechkin scores goals.

You live under a rock if this is news to you.

the people getting screwed the most here are pretty clearly medical staff and grocery store workers. And at least one of those groups gets a decent wage.

Then comes everyone else. Distantly behind.

Agreed 100%

I saw you also complained about having to convert your lectures to online. Man, what do you think everyone else in the working world that is now teleworking is doing? A lot of people have to make drastic changes to how they conduct their day job in the current situation.

Did I say I had it harder than everyone else? I'm just saying I haven't had it easy in response to somebody who said I did, which by your own admission, you probably didn't read.

You think teachers, most of which are GUARANTEED to get paid in full during this endeavor while working safely remotely, are among the most impacted groups of people? Not those who lost their jobs? Not those who had their wages reduced? Not those working, but terrified they might get laid off if people can't return to work shortly? Not those working on the front lines interacting with hundreds of people EVERYDAY?


Never said anything close to any of this. Read the f***ing thread or don't comment in it.
 
Also I'm definitely at risk for getting laid off. I don't know how you think this works, but it isn't how it works. :laugh:
 
There's no official count by profession.

I did my own research and New York State is making official statements updating us on the NYPD status, albeit not an official count. From these various statements, I can confirm 9 deaths for sure. Meanwhile, the stats on educators are harder to find (as NYPD officers have certainly had a higher infection rate, at least that we know of) but some unions are reporting as many as 27 of their staff dead. There's no way to confirm these numbers, but that's also just one union, leading me to believe that it's definitely an at-risk population.

It's not really the point. It's not a competition. Losses are losses. I just want you to know I didn't pull that from thin air.

Really, though, the point I was trying to make is that it's pretty laughable to suggest that educators aren't near the top of the list in terms of risk during an epidemic. Who else is in a room with 20, 30, 40 people and has surface contact with every single one of them? Airborne was famously invented by a teacher. We get sick like crazy.

Granted, they did send us home and other people can't go home. I respect that. But by the time they sent us home, we already lost people in our field. Harder jobs out there right now? Absolutely, significantly so. But to imply that teachers have had a picnic with this in terms of staying safe? Very far from the truth.

I appreciate that teachers get sick, but to compare it to first responders and medical staff during a pandemic is a little ridiculous. I don’t think I know one cop who hasn’t been directly exposed. Out of a precinct with 160 cops we have 40+ people (48 as of a few days ago) out with Covid symptoms - most of which are testing positive. It’s not if, it’s when for these guys. That’s not even including guys taking it home to their families. I can’t imagine the stress and hours medical staff are putting in. People are stripping down at the front door and jumping in the shower just praying they don’t take it home to their kids. How is working at a college and being told to work from home even remotely comparable to that? That’s not a criticism - just common sense. You’d be 10x worse off if you were a cashier at King Kullen.
 
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I appreciate that teachers get sick, but to compare it to first responders and medical staff during a pandemic is a little ridiculous. I don’t think I know one cop who hasn’t been directly exposed. Out of a precinct with 160 cops we have 40+ people (48 as of a few days ago) out with Covid symptoms - most of which are testing positive. It’s not if, it’s when for these guys. That’s not even including guys taking it home to their families.
Well they did send us home, and as I said before, I'm thankful for that and I understand that others aren't as lucky. That's a game changer.

What I'm saying is that, up until they send you home, educators are probably among the top 2-3 most likely populations to contract a given illness. Again, this is not news.

And the statewide school closure was, by the way, not that long ago. The virus was already out of control.

I can see already that it's going to twisted around now, but I never said that I had it harder than anyone else. All I did was refute your assertion that we've been sitting in front of in our televisions in complete safety, which this other joker evidently didn't bother to read.
 
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Luckily, I'm an expert in handling people not bothering to read things. It's one of the pillars of the business.

That, and washing your hands.
 
Here's the thing, B:

To prevent myself from falling out with posters I like on hockey matters (and to avoid tripping the banning guidelines), I've finally ignored some folks who I'd otherwise enjoy engaging in debates about TDA, LA, the upcoming draft and a host of other topics. I hope that some time in the next 12 months this crisis will have diminished, hockey will be back, and I can reengage those fans whom I genuinely like outside of certain topics.

Even in that light, however, I keep following (and occasionally engaging with) you, because you are pretty straightforward – and as you say, you generally conduct yourself very well. (Perhaps better than I do.)

But when you declare things like "I could bash Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Deblasio or I could bash Trump and Pence depending on which side of the political discussion I fall on. It just aggravates half the people here," it feels disingenuous – importantly, because it paints a false picture.

In your characterization, you've (potentially without realizing) established monoliths, which are essentially left vs. right. But I'm not aware of anyone (on this forum, at any rate) who has criticized Trump's response to the crisis who views it the same way.

Speaking personally, I've fully admitted many times over that I'm a progressive (Warren, not Bernie)... but I have NO problem expressing disdain for DeBlasio. Indeed, I had come to friggin' hate the guy even before this terrible crisis. Likewise, up until three months ago, I viewed Cuomo as a cynical, political weathervane... but I cannot deny he's damn well stepped up in the wake of this crisis. And lest you think I'm being one-sided in my presentation, come on down, Mike DeWine, Republican Governor of Ohio! He and I disagree on a lot of issues that would cause me to rage against him under other circumstances; but I cannot fail to admit he has done well by the people of his state, and the country, in the face of COVID-19 – and despite the fears of those of us on the left, did so while still making certain that voting in his state would progress in a manner safe and open to all its citizens.

Trump, meanwhile, has been objectively horrific in the face of this pandemic. The reports have been clear since the beginning about what he was informed and how he reacted at every step of the process – and even if you don't trust those reports (which is a whole other issue I'd question, but we can leave that for another time), you need only look to his own statements, and how they've changed almost daily over the last 12 weeks.

I realize this country is incredibly divided (and that, for the record makes me sad; I wish we could actually debate issues and elect our officials on the basis of those arguments), but he was the individual with the single most power to halt a pandemic, not just here but around the world, and he not only failed to do so, he actively avoided it.

That's what it means to be the President – as another President once famously said, "the buck stop here." Trump, meanwhile: "I don't take responsibility at all."

It's really, really bad.

I appreciate your opinion.

Its def fair to criticize Trump. I don’t think he’s done a great job with this situation at all. I was mostly saying I didn’t want to get into the “blame game.” Im not in the mood for “Trump handled this poorly.” “Well Obama didn’t replenish the stockpile.” “Trump didn’t either.” “Deblasio auctioned off ventilators amassed by Bloomberg.” “Cuomo has decreased hospital spending leading up to this.” “DeSantis allowed beaches and churches to stay open.”

I just hope we all get through this in one piece. There will be time to break this whole thing down after the fact and I’m just hoping we’ll be more prepared next time... because eventually there will be a next time.
 
I posted about my wife earlier in the thread being positive for Covid-19. She got her positive test taken on Friday March 27th so we're day 13 from that test. She is almost back to normal now, not 100% but probably 85%.

Over this past weekend was the roughest, she could barely get up off the couch. No energy at all, said she was feeling dizzy and like in a fog as if she was drunk or something. Luckily we had a pulse oximeter to keep an eye on her oxygen levels. They fell a bit but never dangerously so. She never once had a fever in this whole thing, highest was 99.6, so low grade at most. Barely a cough at all, maybe a couple coughs an hour if that. But the biggest thing was no energy, every inch of her hurting and overall malaise. Hoping she's back to 100% shortly. She's in healthcare so the hospital has been calling her every day trying to get her back in but she's not going back until she's ready. We're thinking this Saturday may be enough.

Very scary though, Friday night we were both freaked out because of how unwell she felt. 30 years old and totally healthy, 5'3 130 no obesity, hypertension or any sort of underlying issue. We've been smart and barely leaving the house, I had family bring things over and leave on the porch as not to possibly expose anyone else.

Weird part is she's been around me nonstop, one bedroom, one bathroom apartment it's nearly impossible to keep reasonable distance. They didn't test me but said to presume I'm positive because we live together. Not sure if I had it and was one of the lucky ones to be totally asymptomatic but here we are 13 days into her being confirmed positive and I have yet to show a symptom. I wish those antibody tests were going to be easy to get, if at all, so I could know I had it and have the antibodies or if somehow I never got it. I'd like to donate blood or plasma if I could and possibly go to stores for my family and stuff like that.
 
Luckily, I'm an expert in handling people not bothering to read things. It's one of the pillars of the business.

That, and washing your hands.

“As of now, I’m pretty sure there are more NYC teachers dead of coronavirus than cops.”

The amount of cops testing positive compared to teachers has got to be exponentially higher. It’s probably 1000’s percent higher. Anyone with a little common sense would realize that’s an absurd assertion. You don’t have a shred of evidence to back that up and you won’t find any either. You’ve now shifted the goal posts to say “teachers get sick in class.” Im sure they do, but you can say that about anyone in an office setting. I’m also willing to bet college instructors are at a lower risk then people teaching kindergarten with kids who are often ill and haven’t mastered proper hygiene. This is anecdotal but my brother is a college professor and doesn’t know one person whose gotten sick. His biggest concern is finding a way to get enough exercise. I know about 50 guys who’ve gotten it and that number is growing by the day. No one has it easy these days and I’m not saying that you do, but saying things like that show you are either tone deaf or have an insane level of self importance.
 
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I posted about my wife earlier in the thread being positive for Covid-19. She got her positive test taken on Friday March 27th so we're day 13 from that test. She is almost back to normal now, not 100% but probably 85%.

Over this past weekend was the roughest, she could barely get up off the couch. No energy at all, said she was feeling dizzy and like in a fog as if she was drunk or something. Luckily we had a pulse oximeter to keep an eye on her oxygen levels. They fell a bit but never dangerously so. She never once had a fever in this whole thing, highest was 99.6, so low grade at most. Barely a cough at all, maybe a couple coughs an hour if that. But the biggest thing was no energy, every inch of her hurting and overall malaise. Hoping she's back to 100% shortly. She's in healthcare so the hospital has been calling her every day trying to get her back in but she's not going back until she's ready. We're thinking this Saturday may be enough.

Very scary though, Friday night we were both freaked out because of how unwell she felt. 30 years old and totally healthy, 5'3 130 no obesity, hypertension or any sort of underlying issue. We've been smart and barely leaving the house, I had family bring things over and leave on the porch as not to possibly expose anyone else.

Weird part is she's been around me nonstop, one bedroom, one bathroom apartment it's nearly impossible to keep reasonable distance. They didn't test me but said to presume I'm positive because we live together. Not sure if I had it and was one of the lucky ones to be totally asymptomatic but here we are 13 days into her being confirmed positive and I have yet to show a symptom. I wish those antibody tests were going to be easy to get, if at all, so I could know I had it and have the antibodies or if somehow I never got it. I'd like to donate blood or plasma if I could and possibly go to stores for my family and stuff like that.

Hoping for best for you and your wife, man.

It's such a weird illness with such a wide array of effects. I definitely keep hearing the energy thing though. This student of mine who got it told me he slept days at a time.

Just stay safe for now because you never know. Pretend you have it when it comes to interacting with others.
 
“As of now, I’m pretty sure there are more NYC teachers dead of coronavirus than cops.”

The amount of cops testing positive compared to teachers has got to be exponentially higher. It’s probably 1000’s percent higher. Anyone with a little common sense would realize that’s an absurd assertion. You don’t have a shred of evidence to back that up and you won’t find any either. You’ve now shifted the goal posts to say “teachers get sick in class.” Im sure they do, but you can say that about anyone in an office setting. I’m also willing to bet college instructors are at a lower risk then people teaching kindergarten with kids who are often ill and haven’t mastered proper hygiene. This is anecdotal but my brother is a college professor and doesn’t know one person whose gotten sick. His biggest concern is finding a way to get enough exercise. I know about 50 guys who’ve gotten it and that number is growing by the day. No one has it easy these days and I’m not saying that you do, but saying things like that show you are either tone deaf or have an insane level of self importance.
But you did say that I've had it easy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ocks-the-nycs-teachers-union-source-says/amp/

We're up to 30 by the way. They died sitting in front of their televisions.
 
I posted about my wife earlier in the thread being positive for Covid-19. She got her positive test taken on Friday March 27th so we're day 13 from that test. She is almost back to normal now, not 100% but probably 85%.

Over this past weekend was the roughest, she could barely get up off the couch. No energy at all, said she was feeling dizzy and like in a fog as if she was drunk or something. Luckily we had a pulse oximeter to keep an eye on her oxygen levels. They fell a bit but never dangerously so. She never once had a fever in this whole thing, highest was 99.6, so low grade at most. Barely a cough at all, maybe a couple coughs an hour if that. But the biggest thing was no energy, every inch of her hurting and overall malaise. Hoping she's back to 100% shortly. She's in healthcare so the hospital has been calling her every day trying to get her back in but she's not going back until she's ready. We're thinking this Saturday may be enough.

Very scary though, Friday night we were both freaked out because of how unwell she felt. 30 years old and totally healthy, 5'3 130 no obesity, hypertension or any sort of underlying issue. We've been smart and barely leaving the house, I had family bring things over and leave on the porch as not to possibly expose anyone else.

Weird part is she's been around me nonstop, one bedroom, one bathroom apartment it's nearly impossible to keep reasonable distance. They didn't test me but said to presume I'm positive because we live together. Not sure if I had it and was one of the lucky ones to be totally asymptomatic but here we are 13 days into her being confirmed positive and I have yet to show a symptom. I wish those antibody tests were going to be easy to get, if at all, so I could know I had it and have the antibodies or if somehow I never got it. I'd like to donate blood or plasma if I could and possibly go to stores for my family and stuff like that.
Outstanding news!

So glad to hear it. And hopefully you do get that test soon.
 
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I posted about my wife earlier in the thread being positive for Covid-19. She got her positive test taken on Friday March 27th so we're day 13 from that test. She is almost back to normal now, not 100% but probably 85%.

Over this past weekend was the roughest, she could barely get up off the couch. No energy at all, said she was feeling dizzy and like in a fog as if she was drunk or something. Luckily we had a pulse oximeter to keep an eye on her oxygen levels. They fell a bit but never dangerously so. She never once had a fever in this whole thing, highest was 99.6, so low grade at most. Barely a cough at all, maybe a couple coughs an hour if that. But the biggest thing was no energy, every inch of her hurting and overall malaise. Hoping she's back to 100% shortly. She's in healthcare so the hospital has been calling her every day trying to get her back in but she's not going back until she's ready. We're thinking this Saturday may be enough.

Very scary though, Friday night we were both freaked out because of how unwell she felt. 30 years old and totally healthy, 5'3 130 no obesity, hypertension or any sort of underlying issue. We've been smart and barely leaving the house, I had family bring things over and leave on the porch as not to possibly expose anyone else.

Weird part is she's been around me nonstop, one bedroom, one bathroom apartment it's nearly impossible to keep reasonable distance. They didn't test me but said to presume I'm positive because we live together. Not sure if I had it and was one of the lucky ones to be totally asymptomatic but here we are 13 days into her being confirmed positive and I have yet to show a symptom. I wish those antibody tests were going to be easy to get, if at all, so I could know I had it and have the antibodies or if somehow I never got it. I'd like to donate blood or plasma if I could and possibly go to stores for my family and stuff like that.
For the last 3 weeks I've slowly sank into less and less energy. No cough, just extreme sinus pressure and loss of energy. I've tried going for my usual runs around the neighborhood but haven't even been able to complete those. Today is the first day I can say for sure I'm feeling better than the last. I doubt it's coronavirus but it is possible since my wife is essential and there was exposure in her office.

My wife had a few days of feeling blah but nothing else. My kids are totally normal.

I figured it was just allergies or something (even tho I had allergy shots and was basically cured) but reading this... With little to no fever and the main symptom being lack of energy makes me wonder.

I also wonder if going for runs and keeping as busy as possible has made whatever I had much slower to heal.

Tldr....I felt blah...and I'm finally starting to feel normal...it's lasted for almost 3 weeks now
 
First results from antibody testing of the whole population of the worst hit county in Germany show that currently 2% are infected, 15% have antibodies and are expected to be immune for at least 6 months, and the case fatality rate is 0,37% right now, which seems encouraging, as that would mean it is not much more lethal than a flu. But of course this is with hospitals not being overwhelmed and everybody needing treatment getting it.
 
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First results from antibody testing of the whole population of the worst hit county in Germany show that currently 2% are infected, 15% have antibodies and are expected to be immune for at least 6 months, and the case fatality rate is 0,37% right now, which seems encouraging, as that would mean it is not much more lethal than a flu. But of course this is with hospitals not being overwhelmed and everybody needing treatment getting it.

One thing on this, and I believe most of the experts have said this as well, once COVID-19 mutates, the most likely scenario is that it will be weakened by it's own mutation. I believe this is what happened to things like SARS, H1N1, and other epidmics.

Yes, we still need to take the precautions that it may not weaken as much and the vaccine needs to be developed for something that becomes this widespread. It happened with things like measles mumps, rubella, polio, etc, where the vaccine was needed for the long haul and it could eradicate it to a sense (unless you're a dumbass anti-vaxxer), but the more modern diseases, especially in the last 20 years or so have not needed a vaccine overall, to the point where it got shut down once they realize the disease itself essentially just passed.

Hopefully that is the case with this, where we can get through this wave, a potential smaller wave in the winter/early spring 2021 and we can be done with it.
 
Well said. I’d just rather wait to finger point when this is a memory. I don’t think attacking people now helps anything but makes people even more divisive.

But yes, go us. When people work together, we can do great things!
So you don’t think the president should be doing that either, right? Just making sure.
 
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An underrated part of this pandemic is the federal reserve doing everything it can to ensure hyperinflation and destroy the value of the dollar, all so that the stock market stays afloat.

Basically giving anyone under the age of 40 the finger
 
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You don't think he could have ramped up testing capabilities sooner? Or explained to states that the plan was to let them work it out themselves as best as possible from the beginning? Putting states against each other bidding for supplies in addition to bidding against the federal government didn't cause any issues?

States like California shutting down before it exploded show that fast action does have an effect on this and Trump's comments about it not being an issue can only lead to others hesitating. Much harder sell to shut your state down if the president is publicly saying its no big deal. You can't just dismiss his public messaging on this.

And yes, none of that fully excuses De Blasio for his part in this.
I doubt governors of states need to be treated like children and have everything explained them.

Are you telling me that Cuomo or Di Blasio were utterly incapable of seeing what was going on and start to shut things down? Again, it is the governors who either shut things down or not. Which is why you see states not completely shut down. If you want to blame someone for not shutting down quickly enough, look no further than the local governor. You cannot simply dismiss their inaction and blame it all on Trump.
 
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Agree to disagree. Biden and Pelosi would still have their fingers in the air and would flip it as racist.
They already did. Biden called the ban racist and nothing more than fear mongering. Publications called the travel ban a continuation of his war on immigrants. The NY Times publicly questioned it.
 
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I hope ya'll who think that the travel ban absolves Trump of everything realize that under equipping hospitals/testings due to lack of proper preparation is a much, much, much bigger deal.
 
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