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Kravtsonkravtsov said:
Yeah but that's a good thing.

It's also definitely not "2%". Lol. The mortality rate is plummeting now that testing kits are becoming available. What a shocker.
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Death rates fluctuate by region/country based on the available care. If you stabilize the flow of patients, and can actually provide care, we'll keep it below 1%. Do you know Italy's death rates? Cause it ain't lol 2%.

If we abandon the measures taken in some hail mary to boost the economy, you can bet that 2% will be a number people longed for.
 
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East Coast Bias said:
Death rates fluctuate by region/country based on the available care. If you stabilize the flow of patients, and can actually provide care, we'll keep it below 1%. Do you know Italy's death rates? Cause it ain't lol 2%.

If we abandon the measures taken in some hail mary to boost the economy, you can bet that 2% will be a number people longed for.
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I hope it will end up right about 1%, +/- ~0.2. Which leaves it anywhere from 8-12x deadlier than regular flu but would be great compared to Italy/Spain, etc. Definitely helps that the United States has more ICU beds per capita than any other country worldwide, but we still could exceed capacity as this goes on. Which, without corrective action, may raise the fatality rate.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
Why. Why. Why. There was a bi-partisan deal in place. The country is crumbling. Typical sanctimonious shit from congress.

Pelosi pushes forward with her own emergency coronavirus package
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Dems need to be careful. I agree with not giving Mnuchin a carte blanche slush fund where he can give whatever money he wants to any big corporation and keep it a secret. And no big money for corporations. And corporations that got big benefits in the dumb tax cut where they bought back their stock.

But I heard they are trying to attach a regulation limiting Jet emissions.

Dems have leverage but they need to stick to benefits to the people in the Covid situation. Dems need to be like J.G Wentworth. Not try to push their agenda with eliminating student debt(forebearance yes) and non-Covid related items.
 
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Kept myself busy today.

Ever have one of those light switches that does nothing? I traced the f***er down in my drop ceiling to a capped off wire. I then wired it up to some outdoor lights that we used on our deck before I turned that bastard into a sunroom.


Covid19 has made me so damn motivated to cross shit off my to do list.
 
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Metranger said:
And no big money for corporations.
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Why not? I agree no handouts but if a big company is going to fail that doesn't help anyone. Obama made the Federal government a lot of money by lending money and buying stock in GM and Citibank. Federal government got all their money back and actually made millions in net profit for taxpayers

Big companies = big employment
 
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GordonGecko said:
Why not? I agree no handouts but if a big company is going to fail that doesn't help anyone. Obama made the Federal government a lot of money by lending money and buying stock in GM and Citibank. Federal government got all their money back and made billions

Big companies = big employment
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Yeah it would be a colossal failure in every way to allow major corporations to fail because of this
There are ways to structure a bailout that is actually very beneficial to taxpayers.
 
GordonGecko said:
Why not? I agree no handouts but if a big company is going to fail that doesn't help anyone. Obama made the Federal government a lot of money by lending money and buying stock in GM and Citibank. Federal government got all their money back and actually made millions in net profit for taxpayers

Big companies = big employment
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I guess I misspoke. Yes, big corporations should be helped. But surgically.
 
Krams said:
I hope it will end up right about 1%, +/- ~0.2. Which leaves it anywhere from 8-12x deadlier than regular flu but would be great compared to Italy/Spain, etc. Definitely helps that the United States has more ICU beds per capita than any other country worldwide, but we still could exceed capacity as this goes on. Which, without corrective action, may raise the fatality rate.
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I don't disagree with this conceptually, but people need to keep in mind that sickness isn't spread equitably.

I see a lot of people misrepresenting data, or using it incorrectly.

To say it's killing 1% on average globally isn't wrong. But if you're not careful, it could kill 10% locally.

The problem Italy has is that nearly 70% of their deaths are in ONE region (Lombardy). Disease spreads locally. If you could spread out 500k with the disease across the country, you'd be fine. But if 500k if NYC/Metro area get it, it's not going to go as well. That's a sheer overwhelm of the system, but in a place that's cutting edge in medical care.

If a more rural area with less medical coverage gets hit hard? Forget it.
 
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If any of you want to add to your anxiety nbcsports is replaying the Rangers caps game 7 2015
 
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I have no problem with general bailout process (specifically there are tons of issues, like picking winners and losers)

My main problem is in the long term, the national debt increase through the process is never reconciled whether they profit off of it or not. They system never gets put on a more solid foundation, then something else comes up and it just adds more debt.
 
Inferno said:
The sad truth here is there is no containing this..were gonna have to wait out a vaccine. If we could have stopped it early ..closed borders, then maybe we coulda contained it. But it's too late. At this point it's just about flattening the curve and slowing the spread to buy us time.
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Yeah I wonder if that could have been done too. I think New Zeeland is attempting it, putting everyone (including returning citizens) in a two week quarantine.

If we go back three weeks. How many US citizens were outside the country about to return? 300k (it is supposedly 90m per year)? Imagine the outcry if everyone were forced into some ad hoc quarantine camp somewhere for a couple of weeks... :)
 
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Indiana now issuing a shelter in place order (MI and WI both did so earlier today).

This IMO is a good thing. The first really red state to do so. Hopefully this throws cold water on the whole "back to work next week!" movement.
 
Just scanned the last two pages of this thread due to profound ennui and expecting even worse misinformation and venting of personal psychological issues than we usually find in like half the posts on this forum. Seeing all the uniform restraint and intelligent discussion of fact has sent me into a sort of personal Twilight Zone state... or perhaps Superman's Bizarro universe in which all is upside down. Thanks to all for the biggest jolt of surprise I've felt in some time. Keep 'er going.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Indiana now issuing a shelter in place order (MI and WI both did so earlier today).

This IMO is a good thing. The first really red state to do so. Hopefully this throws cold water on the whole "back to work next week!" movement.
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I believe we will, to the degree financially and economically sustainable, be living in a world for the next few months where state government is going to take precedence and provide leadership. Or as appears to be the case in Florida, the opposite.
 
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xbure9x said:
so nyc has been a ghost town for a good week now. so cases should continue to increase for another week when the incubation period has ended, then why is everyone still predicting the numbers to climb exponentially until the beginning of May?
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As long as one infected infects more than 1.0 other ppl the growth will always be exponential.

If on average every infected person infects 2.5 others (which could be the case with this thing) in 5 days, then 1 infected will become 406 infected in 30 days. It’s simple math really.

If social distancing cuts that in half, it’s instead “only” 30. But 1 to 30 is still a heck of a exponential increase...
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SARS virus which is named Covid-19 to lessen the panic is not going to change these lockdowns anytime soon. The health system is stressed as is.

bunker down and wait. Be patient.
 
Not for nothing but passing a bill that phases payments pegged to people's 2018 tax income filing is beyond f***ing stupid.

Some people aren't going to have income anymore. That's..........the point?

Hopefully they change it.
 
East Coast Bias said:
Death rates fluctuate by region/country based on the available care. If you stabilize the flow of patients, and can actually provide care, we'll keep it below 1%. Do you know Italy's death rates? Cause it ain't lol 2%.

If we abandon the measures taken in some hail mary to boost the economy, you can bet that 2% will be a number people longed for.
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As of today 6,077 deaths in Italy, while confirmed cases totaled 63,927 for a death rate of over 9%. Their healthcare is not 3rd world either.
 
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