OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part III
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Irishguy42
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I can surely bet you it's gonna hurt a small business owner (like myself) a hell of a lot more and maybe he's looking out for those people as well? I am in was in ok shape before this and if this lasts for long time coming out of it would be very challenging. I can't imagine others who have small business with employees they can no longer employ and the domino effect this will cause. I am for continuing to be safe and do what our doctors/scientists tell us is best but we need to look at the other side a bit as well. Many of us are now unemployed (with families/business/mortgage/rent). It would be a lot easier to say heck lets just shut it down for months if we were all continuing to receive a steady paycheck like some state/government jobs are continuing to get.
MyLoveIsBlue
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Irishguy42
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It's true. Still got the popular vote, but the amount of united hatred for her is was kind of admirable.
We need more things that unite the country like that. Only...well...for a better cause.
I don't know how much Trump will screw NY, but Cuomo is getting high marks it seems from everyone. So let's have some optimism here.
Andrew Cuomo: How the New York governor and his press conferences contrast with Trump - CNNPolitics
Andrew Cuomo: How the New York governor and his press conferences contrast with Trump - CNNPolitics
HFBS
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Barnaby
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So don't panic and they'll reevaluate in 2 weeks... Seems pretty level headed to me. You're reading into the rest based on internal bias.
If he says it's really bad, then he's creating panic. If he says be smart and we'll reevaluate in a couple weeks then he's not serious enough.
Really, stay home and watch out for your family and friends and let's see how this plays out before losing our minds.
I think we are all more or less in the same boat... hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
Irishguy42
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Krams
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I thought Trump's initial response to all of this was woefully inadequate, but as far as NY goes, he has provided almost everything Cuomo has asked for (other than using the Defense Production Act for masks/ventilators.) Naval Hospital for overflow, permitting NY to use private labs for testing instead of everything going through Feds resulting in NYS testing more people than any other state in nation, getting Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA involved to set up emergency hospitals at Javits Center and other sites, waiving 25% State fee for for use of FEMA hospitals. I'm sure there are others. Cuomo has been careful not to get into a political pissing match with him and it has worked
Chaels Arms
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That was a really rough press conference. I have refrained from criticizing the Donald until this point but that was bad. Anyone with half a brain can see that he is now preparing to go completely against what the doctors are saying.
Here's the thing Trump is so thin-skinned, that I wonder if the overwhelming criticism he will face will make him rethink this. Wishful thinking? I hope not.
All of the above looks good. Any other details? is she trying to push any other agenda's thru like i'm sure the other side is as well.
All I know is these shitheads better agree on something to help out the average american. The people who really need it most.
Krams
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I don't know how to feel. I've been barking up the tree about how dangerous this virus could be to the US since January, but shutting down the economy for many more weeks could lead to >25% employment and mass bankruptcies for businesses, it is a delicate balancing act.
Never been so grateful to have him as our governor (and I've been a Cuomo supporter for a while too)
JimmyG89
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I guess it is easier to freak out but he literally said that we should listen to our state and local officials and that some places will be able to start up sooner because their numbers are different that the hot spots.
How is that wrong? Why would restrictions be in place for a state that has no cases or little to none, but others have tons of cases and those restrictions will stay because state officials are controlling it?
States can recommend not travelling to locations and if they do they'll need to quarantine if the return from those locations.
This country isn't a small place physically. This isn't Italy, it's more like China in raw size.
This isn't difficult to comprehend. The federal government doesn't need to issue full restrictions nationwide to stop the spread. That's on local and state levels. If the federal government wanted to stop travel to hot spots, that's about all they should do. Travel outside of those things shouldn't be halted.
Also, charts showing raw numbers, especially for the US, are basically trash. Our populace is significantly larger than most, with the exception of China. For comparison, the total population of Italy is that of New York and California combined. There are 48 other states here. Its percentage of population that have contracted the virus.
Don't get me wrong, the raw numbers are scary. You don't want to see anyone die or get sick, but at the same time if it's contained to a small percentage of the population and to specific areas, why wouldn't places be able to individually be able to reopen and get going?
How is that wrong? Why would restrictions be in place for a state that has no cases or little to none, but others have tons of cases and those restrictions will stay because state officials are controlling it?
States can recommend not travelling to locations and if they do they'll need to quarantine if the return from those locations.
This country isn't a small place physically. This isn't Italy, it's more like China in raw size.
This isn't difficult to comprehend. The federal government doesn't need to issue full restrictions nationwide to stop the spread. That's on local and state levels. If the federal government wanted to stop travel to hot spots, that's about all they should do. Travel outside of those things shouldn't be halted.
Also, charts showing raw numbers, especially for the US, are basically trash. Our populace is significantly larger than most, with the exception of China. For comparison, the total population of Italy is that of New York and California combined. There are 48 other states here. Its percentage of population that have contracted the virus.
Don't get me wrong, the raw numbers are scary. You don't want to see anyone die or get sick, but at the same time if it's contained to a small percentage of the population and to specific areas, why wouldn't places be able to individually be able to reopen and get going?
Machinehead
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He's not looking out for those people, I can assure you.
That said, I hear you and we certainly need to look at the other side of it. Cuomo talked about the early stages of a transition program this morning and it made a lot of sense. But six days from now is not the time to be addressing this.
And for the 1.5 trillion he already poured into big businesses, we could have given every American $4,500. That's more than most of us make a month at our jobs.
People should be taken care of. There's a national health crisis and absolutely nobody should be worried about paying bills right now. And let's not even talk about the cost because we've already spent more on stupid shit.
Honestly the best thing to do would be to shut down the country and implement a UBI program plus small business relief until this thing is kicked.
Krams
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The Federal Reserve is a private bank and that had nothing to do with Trump
Machinehead
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There's nothing to reevaluate in two weeks. We're still in the infancy of this pandemic. I understand that we need to answer the "how do we come out of this?" issue but maybe we should get into it first.
Machinehead
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Dr. Fauci has been unable to tell the truth on stage. From this interview with Sciencemag:
"Q: What about the travel restrictions? Trump keeps saying that the travel ban for China, which began 2 February, had a big impact on slowing the spread of the virus to the United States and that he wishes China would have told us 3 to 4 months earlier and that they were “very secretive.” (China did not immediately reveal the discovery of a new coronavirus in late December 2019, but by 10 January, Chinese researchers made the sequence of the virus public.) It just doesn’t comport with facts.
A: I know, but what do you want me to do? I mean, seriously Jon, let’s get real, what do you want me to do?"
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Irishguy42
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...Kakko give me strength...
Chaels Arms
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This is where you would like to see some type of leadership emerge from the CDC. That was really sad when they asked Dr. Birx if she agreed with Trump that we need to ease the restrictions and she completely punted claiming "our job is only to provide data and information to the president." Lame. He removed Fauci and replaced him with someone he could control better.
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