OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part III
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Machinehead
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I don't care how tough you think you are.
You can't just muscle through an enemy that you can't see.
There are certain things in this world where the correct course of action is to be afraid of them.
Machinehead
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RangerBlues
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RangerBlues
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Fair enough.
But you had to work to pay into it.
And if you strictly need to live off it-life aint to good.
Again. Far better to create opportunity than dependence.
Machinehead
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Nobody's really disagreeing with that.
All I'm saying is maybe let's "git 'er done" after the pandemic. Common sense.
Listening on US media there is so much talk about testing.
I’ve heard many claim that testing more or less become irrelevant pretty fast, but that seems lost in the US debate and it’s hard to not wonder if some of that has to do with the criticism of Trump for the late start to the testing got some traction. But one doesn’t have to do with the other, the more you can test early, the better. But when it’s out, many top experts claims that it’s not super important (while others do). And it kind of make sense. It’s like testing a doctor. If he/she didn’t have it 11.30 am, what is to say that he/she didn’t get it 3.30 pm? I know that GB and Sweden for example have removed resources from testing to treating for that very reason.
Like looking at the US (like NY state)— it’s not South Korea. It is not going to be able to test almost everyone. Maybe Sweden potentially could have tested a ton, but GB? Never. Some states in the US maybe. And if enough people have it — a test is just a confirmation of a historic event. Someone was healthy 4 hours ago, but 4 hours later? It’s anybody’s guess again.
What you can do under those circumstances is (a) do everything possible and then some to keep the virus out of homes for elderly people, because in a home of 50 you could end up sending 30 to the intensive care and the intensive care spots are very limited, this has been a big disaster in Italy. No visitation. Extremely careful personnel. (b) You can in an as controlled phase as possible build up immunity in the population by letting people get the virus and recover from it. You are not getting it again.
I’ve heard many claim that testing more or less become irrelevant pretty fast, but that seems lost in the US debate and it’s hard to not wonder if some of that has to do with the criticism of Trump for the late start to the testing got some traction. But one doesn’t have to do with the other, the more you can test early, the better. But when it’s out, many top experts claims that it’s not super important (while others do). And it kind of make sense. It’s like testing a doctor. If he/she didn’t have it 11.30 am, what is to say that he/she didn’t get it 3.30 pm? I know that GB and Sweden for example have removed resources from testing to treating for that very reason.
Like looking at the US (like NY state)— it’s not South Korea. It is not going to be able to test almost everyone. Maybe Sweden potentially could have tested a ton, but GB? Never. Some states in the US maybe. And if enough people have it — a test is just a confirmation of a historic event. Someone was healthy 4 hours ago, but 4 hours later? It’s anybody’s guess again.
What you can do under those circumstances is (a) do everything possible and then some to keep the virus out of homes for elderly people, because in a home of 50 you could end up sending 30 to the intensive care and the intensive care spots are very limited, this has been a big disaster in Italy. No visitation. Extremely careful personnel. (b) You can in an as controlled phase as possible build up immunity in the population by letting people get the virus and recover from it. You are not getting it again.
Crease
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The thing with Trump (and @The Crypto Guy is right) is that he likes to say stuff. Big, extravagant stuff. Unplanned, ad-libbed stuff. In an ideal world the President chooses his words much more carefully. This President doesn't. It is what it is. You best accept it and move on.
And you can. 99% of what Trump says doesn't end up mattering, because it's unplanned, ad-libbed nonsense and the federal government isn't a one-man show. So take what he says with a grain of salt and wait until decisions are actually made before you freak out, because life is stressful enough as is.
And you can. 99% of what Trump says doesn't end up mattering, because it's unplanned, ad-libbed nonsense and the federal government isn't a one-man show. So take what he says with a grain of salt and wait until decisions are actually made before you freak out, because life is stressful enough as is.
RangerBlues
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To make it Simple
Id rather go broke screwing the Communist Chinese over than going broke screwing our own country over embracing socialism.
Id rather go broke screwing the Communist Chinese over than going broke screwing our own country over embracing socialism.
Chaels Arms
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RIP, Jimmy.
I'm not opposed to short term stimulus payments made to Americans for the exact reasons @Machinehead said. We are in the middle of an unprecedented global event. There is a difference between those kind of payments (which has been done before under a republican president FWIW), and a long term UBI that I am deathly afraid Speaker Pelosi's plan is setting the stage for. I'm not interested in debating the merits of a UBI because I don't think that can be had without being political but my fear is that UBI is going to be seen as the remedy to the massive unemployment that stems from a long term shut down.
Like I said, I am in a conflicted spot. I don't want to see our economy tank and we can't afford financially to stay closed to long. However, the ramifications of not taking this seriously enough can be equally, if not more dire in the long term. I don't know what the right move is.
Gun to my head, I'd probably lean towards being cautious and staying closed off longer. But I don't feel great about it.
Italians are also much more inclined to have large family gatherings over the weekend as well as the double kiss on the cheeks when greeting ppl.
RangerBlues
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Folks keep extending the goalpost.
First it was 4 weeks.
Some want to push it 18 months.
The critter is in the wild.
We will all be exposed and over 90% show no or little symptoms.
The longer its dragged out the more powerful government will become.
RangerBlues
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Where we are at now is about as far as Im willing to go.
All long term debt payments should just be simply pushed off for 3-6 months.
short term phone, electric, utilities.
Some rent. Write it off.
Some jobs and industries might die.
Others will regrow in its place.
We are all somewhat screwed, but screwing everybody just will make it worse.
RangerBlues
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There is a slight difference between keeping the lights on and keeping your porn hub account.
Slight difference.
Slight difference.
RangerBlues
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I went to work today.
And on the way to work.
The methadone clinic was still open.
With some of the same losers ive been watching for years.
Completely ignoring any safety standard.
Just to get their free junk.
And on the way to work.
The methadone clinic was still open.
With some of the same losers ive been watching for years.
Completely ignoring any safety standard.
Just to get their free junk.
In reference to the nursing homes I can tell you there is mass confusion with regards to protocol and what they are doing. My Fiancé is an RN at a facility in Brooklyn and they have at least 5 confirmed cases with more testing happening. They believe the original case was a gentleman who was discharged from a hospital where he must have caught it. He was at the facility for a couple of days before he developed a fever and cough and was tested.
As he was being tested, the higher ups at the facility failed to tell any of the staff they were testing the patient and nurses were going into his room without proper PPE equipped. This has led to 2-3 RNs and 2-3 LPNs developing flu like symptoms causing a shortage at the facility.
Machinehead
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If we all get it, let's say, in New York State and it carries an extremely low fatality rate of 0.5%, that's 95,000 dead.
That's 9/11 about 31 times.
"Most cases are mild so it isn't a big deal" becomes a big deal if we just let people get it.
irony there is that trump is only concerned with the stock market which 'symbolizes' the economy....but if NYC remains shut down and CA remains shut down, does anyone think the stock market is going to bounce back? re-opening businesses might help individual people but if Cuomo doesn't go along with it it almost becomes pointless for trump.
lets play devils advocate. not everyone is going to get it even if we just went about our normal lives tomorrow. it just doesn't happen that way. I am 45 years old and have worked in schools for over 15 years and I have never gotten the flu in my life. I am much more cognizant of germs in especially the winter time and make sure to take the care of hand washing and all that stuff. I would take my chances out there. I would love things to open back up in a week. But honestly, if it's not back to normal by the end of April, you may as well just keep us all inside through the end of the year because if keeping 90% of people inside their homes for a month and a half cannot make a deep dent in this thing, then what is?
eco's bones
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People are walking around with this asymptomatic or with minor symptoms---some might not even know they have it---yet they can pass it to someone else and kill them unwittingly. I don't know about other people but it's a goal of mine to do the least amount of real harm possible to other people while I'm still living and breathing. Give people their space.
So don't pay your bills or deplete your bank account--wait for that stimulus check to come along. There are going to be millions and millions of others doing the same. I figure there is likely going to be more than one of those stimulus checks because this is going to last a while and people are going to need to buy food and the lights are going to have to stay on or there will just be chaos. Politicians at least for the most party understand that and however much some of them may resent helping out ordinary people (and some of them do a lot) without us they are nothing. So they will bend if they have to.
So don't pay your bills or deplete your bank account--wait for that stimulus check to come along. There are going to be millions and millions of others doing the same. I figure there is likely going to be more than one of those stimulus checks because this is going to last a while and people are going to need to buy food and the lights are going to have to stay on or there will just be chaos. Politicians at least for the most party understand that and however much some of them may resent helping out ordinary people (and some of them do a lot) without us they are nothing. So they will bend if they have to.
yes because 5 weeks till the end of april is the same as 9 months till the end of the year. extremely strong and rational logic
wouldn't quarantining the high risk people accomplish the same thing, while everyone else can go on with their lives? or is it, we cannot order only some people to stay home so we must make everyone stay home? eventually if the high risk people stay away, everyone else who gets it asymptomatically or minor will infect each other, be done with it, and then it ends anyway in a few months right? too simplistic?
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