Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XII

[The Hanging Jowl]

Fat people with body mass index over 30 much more likely to be hospitalized and die of COVID as per UK and US study ... even vaccines are not as effective for these people ... great wake up call for all of us to LOSE weight ... and keep up your vitamin intake ... try it and get back to your age 20 fighting weight ... it is hard ... I have been at it for well over a year .... start with cutting out sugar and bread ... first 2 weeks are hardest until your body figures it out

I lost LOT of weight 3 years ago (60+ lbs}. It just creeps up on us and we get delusional about where we are physically. More importantly you come to terms over just how much we overeat in Western society. We eat like pigs, even people not really overweight. The human body is designed to deal with food scarcity. It's natural to eat too much when it's available. We are above this.

I never stopped drinking beer though.

 

[Confucius]

I lost LOT of weight 3 years ago (60+ lbs}. It just creeps up on us and we get delusional about where we are physically. More importantly you come to terms over just how much we overeat in Western society. We eat like pigs, even people not really overweight. The human body is designed to deal with food scarcity. It's natural to eat too much when it's available. We are above this.

I never stopped drinking beer though.

It really is just a habit, its surprising how little food you need when you get to be a senior. Go to Mc'donalds get a kids meal breakfast and you're good to go until the evening. lol!

 

[justashadowof]

I worked with a guy that acted like he was thrifty, he claimed he did his own oil changes. I asked what does he do with the old oil? There was an awkward silence and finally he says he stores it. Yeah sure.

I know a couple of these "thrifty" guys who change their own oil. I asked what they did with the oil and they admitted what they did with it: they leave it after hours at the local tire place who are then saddled with disposing of it properly whether they want more waste or not. All to avoid the cost of taking it to the local waste facility.

Yup. And I really do store it until I have enough to take it to the hazardous waste depot at our local transfer station along with all of the used batteries, etc. I *highly* doubt most people do this. Then there are the hypocrites that have probably the same carbon footprint as me or close but act all sanctimonious about...oil or whatever. Finally there are those that purposely have no opinions, stay out of it and just don't want to know. I would bet I'm better than about 90% of our population environmentally but you know, I ask questions so I'm a heretic.

Another "thrifty" guy I know, this case an older in-law, talks a huge game about the environmental stuff but had a big sulk when I told him how to use the local waste service once I said "It'll cost about $20 or so depending upon how much waste you bring to the dump." I ended taking his garbage, batteries and the like and paying out of pocket to stop hearing about it.

About the storm sewers, in Toronto we've been required to redirect eaves' drainage away from the direct underground pipe to the storm sewer. The deadline has long since passed in our neighbourhood and I'm seeing about 50% compliance as I go for a walk. The worst offenders are those who just disconnected the downspout drain at the side of their house and allow the water to run down the driveway directly into the storm sewer.

 

[Confucius]

Batteries, oil, paint, etc. is free to drop off here in Scarborough, but they do charge by weight for regular garbage. I've taken countless loads to the transfer stations in my life. Seems every couple of years it's declutter time. lol. I must be a hoarder.

 

[Confucius]

So if increasing the wait time from 21-28 days to 46 for the second shot wasn't bad enough, I now read, the decision makers want to increase that to 4 months. What a farce.

A family of 4 had to pay $3,500 for 1 night quarantine at a hotel near person. Apparently it's a 3 night minimum charge. Another farce.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Batteries, oil, paint, etc. is free to drop off here in Scarborough, but they do charge by weight for regular garbage. I've taken countless loads to the transfer stations in my life. Seems every couple of years it's declutter time. lol. I must be a hoarder.

you can take your hazardous waste free of charge to a facility in Mississauga too free of charge but extra garbage costs per pound for regular garbage ... probably same everywhere in GTA

 

[keonsbitterness]

We've spent more per capita than any other country in the world. We should be the very best first world country handling covid and we're not even close. Anyway, my real point is the US is an outlier and a poor comparable for us yet they're the go-to whenever someone wants to make it look like Canada has handled the pandemic well.

The 15 or so first world countries worse off than us have already been noted. This is where I make/reach for excuses for the ones doing better -- Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, Japan, Australia, South Korea, New Zealand, and Taiwan. Three low-density Scandinavian countries have gone the anti-Sweden approach with predictably much better results (Sweden's death rate is more than twice Canada's), five islands plus S. Korea (a de facto island) have a huge geographical advantage and, for most of them, a cultural willingness to impose and accept stricter lockdown measures that likely wouldn't fly here, and late addition Greenland is filled with ice, hence zero deaths.

Which isn't to say Trudeau and the premiers should be above criticism, but no one in Canada has bungled things as poorly as people have down south. They've got Cuomo (LTC disaster), Desantis (criminally fudged the numbers in 2020), Noem (somehow screwed up a nondescript state like S. Dakota), and, of course, Trump (screwed up everything).

Naturally the US is the go-to. No one is as close to us culturally and in so many other ways. That's the first comparison to Canada people make in most cases. Who else should come before them?

The US can only be called an outlier after the fact. They spend more per capita on healthcare than any county in the world, and twice more than Canada. By that metric, the US should be at or near the bottom in most deaths per capita. Instead it's the opposite. Canada and the US were actually in the same neighbourhood -- #20-30 range -- during the first wave last spring. Today the US has regressed to 10th worst while we've improved to 58th. Just look at postponed NHL games: 35 there, zero here. Says it all.

 

[Jojalu]

As I watch the Pens/Flyers game I realise how great it is to see fans in the stands.

Also, nice to see Kap score the exact same goal he used to score for the Leafs

 

[Nineteen67]

As I watch the Pens/Flyers game I realise how great it is to see fans in the stands.

Also, nice to see Kap score the exact same goal he used to score for the Leafs

restrictions are being lifted all over the league and country.
IMO, I think they could allow more fans now but baby steps are fine.
I never thought I’d have Jays spring training tickets this year , but I got some.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I know a couple of these "thrifty" guys who change their own oil. I asked what they did with the oil and they admitted what they did with it: they leave it after hours at the local tire place who are then saddled with disposing of it properly whether they want more waste or not. All to avoid the cost of taking it to the local waste facility.

There's all kinds of places that use old oil in their furnaces.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

"Time to shift focus from COVID-19 case numbers to hospitalizations, infectious disease expert says"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/fulford-covid19-1.5933902

"If people are asymptomatic, who the heck cares? If the vulnerable are protected, maybe we don't need to worry about case numbers at all. Maybe what we should be reporting now is hospitalizations and severe disease."

And bizarrely in the same article:

"However, in an interview with the CBC last week, Dr. Elizabeth Richardson, Hamilton medical officer of health, said "We may even need stricter control measures as we go forward. So, any kinds of gathering that goes above the limits that are in place today, I definitely wouldn't see happening at this point or it's highly unlikely. And it may be that things actually even need to be more strict at that point.""

This woman seems to be a researcher at McMaster. I think I'll take the advice of the infectious disease specialist working in the trenches quoted above over this "expert". The health officers are all just being hyper-protective to make sure they're never blamed for anything. Once we have our vulnerable and front line people vaccinated, enough is enough, time to get back on with normalcy with reasonable protective measures.

 

[Nineteen67]

"Time to shift focus from COVID-19 case numbers to hospitalizations, infectious disease expert says"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/fulford-covid19-1.5933902

"If people are asymptomatic, who the heck cares? If the vulnerable are protected, maybe we don't need to worry about case numbers at all. Maybe what we should be reporting now is hospitalizations and severe disease."

And bizarrely in the same article:

"However, in an interview with the CBC last week, Dr. Elizabeth Richardson, Hamilton medical officer of health, said "We may even need stricter control measures as we go forward. So, any kinds of gathering that goes above the limits that are in place today, I definitely wouldn't see happening at this point or it's highly unlikely. And it may be that things actually even need to be more strict at that point.""

This woman seems to be a researcher at McMaster. I think I'll take the advice of the infectious disease specialist working in the trenches quoted above over this "expert". The health officers are all just being hyper-protective to make sure they're never blamed for anything. Once we have our vulnerable and front line people vaccinated, enough is enough, time to get back on with normalcy with reasonable protective measures.

Was this written in may of 2020 and just posted now?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Was this written in may of 2020 and just posted now?

Are you talking about the news article (says March 2, 2021) or are you just saying this post may as well have been written by me or others back in May since it's just the same message over in over? If the latter, good point.

 

[Bluelines]

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis faces criticism over vaccination clinics in upscale communities

 

[Pink Mist]

"Time to shift focus from COVID-19 case numbers to hospitalizations, infectious disease expert says"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/fulford-covid19-1.5933902

"If people are asymptomatic, who the heck cares? If the vulnerable are protected, maybe we don't need to worry about case numbers at all. Maybe what we should be reporting now is hospitalizations and severe disease."

And bizarrely in the same article:

"However, in an interview with the CBC last week, Dr. Elizabeth Richardson, Hamilton medical officer of health, said "We may even need stricter control measures as we go forward. So, any kinds of gathering that goes above the limits that are in place today, I definitely wouldn't see happening at this point or it's highly unlikely. And it may be that things actually even need to be more strict at that point.""

This woman seems to be a researcher at McMaster. I think I'll take the advice of the infectious disease specialist working in the trenches quoted above over this "expert". The health officers are all just being hyper-protective to make sure they're never blamed for anything. Once we have our vulnerable and front line people vaccinated, enough is enough, time to get back on with normalcy with reasonable protective measures.

Because if more people get covid, it increases the likelihood that new varients of covid could form that aren't protected or less protected by the vaccines. If there are less hosts then there's less of a likelihood of this happening. That's why cases matter

 

[Bluelines]

Because if more people get covid, it increases the likelihood that new varients of covid could form that aren't protected or less protected by the vaccines. If there are less hosts then there's less of a likelihood of this happening. That's why cases matter

100% agree.

+ we don't know what the long term effects of Covid-19 are on the body. You may catch a mild case of it but are you now more likely to develop of cardio vascular disease or stroke or some other quality of life impairing aliment? The "what about's" are valid questions...

 

[Nineteen67]

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis faces criticism over vaccination clinics in upscale communities

They’re doing a great job vaccinating and allocating the doses where people want them.
They have many private partners that have the resources to safely and accurately administer and record the doses. I know it’s mean and cruel to be efficient at managing the vaccination program, while protecting the people and getting through this quicker rather dragging it on for another year, but some people are just that way.

I wish I wasn’t able to purchase Jays spring training tickets , I wish the venues were closed and no one was able go to games. They have a beautiful new facility that opened last spring and it’s a shame people are able to safely go and enjoy it.

 

[Confucius]

There's all kinds of places that use old oil in their furnaces.

Such as?

It is NOT a good idea to put used motor oil in your home heating oil. It'll easily clog the filter. You need a special waste oil burner to burn waste oil. It's totally different type of furnace then your home heating system burner.

 

[Confucius]

Because if more people get covid, it increases the likelihood that new varients of covid could form that aren't protected or less protected by the vaccines. If there are less hosts then there's less of a likelihood of this happening. That's why cases matter

It's never going to end, do you see how just one new variant spreads. Within days or weeks at most, there are dozens of cases and it snowballs from there. So unless you can get rid of every single case and stop every single case from coming into the country all you are doing at most is delaying the inevitable.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Such as?

It is NOT a good idea to put used motor oil in your home heating oil. It'll easily clog the filter. You need a special waste oil burner to burn waste oil. It's totally different type of furnace then your home heating system burner.

No one said to use it in your home. There are all kinds of garages that have their heat systems set up to burn used motor oil (probably no great surprise that people who deal in it every day basically use it in a "value added" method).

There's no need to sneak under the cover of night to make it someone else's problem. They just need to look around and likely won't have that much problem finding a place that will take it.

 

[Confucius]

No one said to use it in your home. There are all kinds of garages that have their heat systems set up to burn used motor oil (probably no great surprise that people who deal in it every day basically use it in a "value added" method).

There's no need to sneak under the cover of night to make it someone else's problem. They just need to look around and likely won't have that much problem finding a place that will take it.

Transfer stations are your only option. I'm all ears if you can name another option that is free.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Transfer stations are your only option. I'm all ears if you can name another option that is free.

I just did. Can't speak for your area but it's no problem in the areas I have been.

 

[Nineteen67]

It's never going to end, do you see how just one new variant spreads. Within days or weeks at most, there are dozens of cases and it snowballs from there. So unless you can get rid of every single case and stop every single case from coming into the country all you are doing at most is delaying the inevitable.

If the vaccines do not create immunity then we need to just let it do it’s thing and move on.
If you look at the number of life years lost to lockdowns and shutdowns all over the world, we simply cannot continue this way. In rich countries older people are dying and in poor countries younger people are dying.

 

[Confucius]

If the vaccines do not create immunity then we need to just let it do it’s thing and move on.
If you look at the number of life years lost to lockdowns and shutdowns all over the world, we simply cannot continue this way. In rich countries older people are dying and in poor countries younger people are dying.

From everything I've seen vaccines don't offer permanent protection. And may not work on variants so on and on the cycle goes.

 

[Pink Mist]

It's never going to end, do you see how just one new variant spreads. Within days or weeks at most, there are dozens of cases and it snowballs from there. So unless you can get rid of every single case and stop every single case from coming into the country all you are doing at most is delaying the inevitable.

It ends when most people are vaccinated so then there are fewer hosts of the virus and new variants can't evolve.