Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XII

[The Hanging Jowl]

Not necessarily. No worse then the whole mask thing at the beginning. I personally think too many are making a bigger deal out of all of this. Yes it's been tough for many people but too many think it's the end of the world

(I edited that, thought I could slip it in before you saw it)

 

[nsleaf]

let’s pretend.... Especially if millions of people in distant and not so distant lands are not locked down in order to provide the survival needs for you.

Exercise for you

Make a list of every item you’ve purchased in the past year and think of all the people you have put at risk of dying for your pleasure....Not too mention the sports you watch.....tsk tsk tsk.

Too funny!
You at the CPAC conference?

 

[Nineteen67]

Too funny!
You at the CPAC conference?

Glad to see the welfare provinces find it funny.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Feb 29th 2020 on NBC Today Show.....

“Right now, at this moment in time, there is no need to change anything that you are doing on a day to day basis”

Dr. Anthony Fauci

Remember he is the expert and we looked to him for guidance.

Very interesting date. Fauci definitely knew what was about to happen then, as did everyone on the Covid Task Force. But it was all he or any of them could publicly say at the time. Feb. 29, 2020 was a few days after Waddles (thanks to one of his hissyfits) cancelled a meeting with the Task Force where they were going to recommend drastic action.

Prior to Waddles agreeing to the declaration of a national emergency on March 13th, anyone going against his initial Covid stance would have been fired. And at least one guy was.

 

[keonsbitterness]

The apologists all want to compare us to the US, a country that fared particularly poorly, to try to defend this government. But Canada has not done well compared to the world average.

Way more countries below us than above us in deaths per 100k:

COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia

Among first world countries, we're better than average. And considering many of the countries below us either have incomplete statistical gathering capabilities or are downright full of it (China and Turkey to name two), the "world average" isn't terribly useful.

 

[Bluelines]

let’s pretend.... Especially if millions of people in distant and not so distant lands are not locked down in order to provide the survival needs for you.

Exercise for you

Make a list of every item you’ve purchased in the past year and think of all the people you have put at risk of dying for your pleasure....Not too mention the sports you watch.....tsk tsk tsk.

Which page from your FSB playbook did you pull that one out of?

If companies were following proper protocols, you know the things you feel are stupid and needless, transmission wouldn't be at a bare minimum. Unfortunately for society many people are like you, the "this Covid thing is no biggie" crowd, they don't take proper protocols and get sick. In reality it's the anti masker 'Merica crowd that is powering this spread, sure some decent well meaning people catch it but they catch it from selfish Cletus or Karen, you know the bleach brigade...

Lets play a game, lets say you support your mindless governor, you don't demand that he enacts common sense protocols cause you serpurt freedum.... and many more people die as a result of your governors careless mindless actions, think of all the people you put in danger from not demanding that your state put in common sense protocols? If you vote for Governor "freedum" again are you endorsing state sponsored murder?

I'm just playing my little part to employ people, so they can support their families. If we all stopped supporting the economy, like you would like us to do, it would destroy millions of peoples lives. I'm just doing my patriotic part.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Among first world countries, we're better than average. And considering many of the countries below us either have incomplete statistical gathering capabilities or are downright full of it (China and Turkey to name two), the "world average" isn't terribly useful.

We've spent more per capita than any other country in the world. We should be the very best first world country handling covid and we're not even close. Anyway, my real point is the US is an outlier and a poor comparable for us yet they're the go-to whenever someone wants to make it look like Canada has handled the pandemic well.

 

[Bluelines]

The apologists all want to compare us to the US, a country that fared particularly poorly, to try to defend this government. But Canada has not done well compared to the world average.

Way more countries below us than above us in deaths per 100k:

COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia

What a load of intentionally misleading bullshit, the world average consist of hundreds of nations that are ruled by despots, fascists' and autocratic Kings that want to fudge the numbers to make them look like they are super human in their response to this virus or countries that have few resources to accurately report Covid deaths. Hell 2 billion of the 7 billion people in this world are from India and China, we all know China's numbers are fudged and we all know that 4 out of 5 deaths in India before Covid were never assigned an official cause of death, India does not have the man power or ability to properly report deaths due to Covid.

Sorted by deaths per 1 million... pretty clear to see that Canada (#58) compared to its peers did a phenomenal job. better than every G7 nation except for Japan, better than (#10)) USA, (#14) Spain, (#17) Mexico, (#6 ) UK, (#22) France, (#24) Sweden, (#26) Brazil, (#29) Switzerland, (# 7) Italy, (#56) Russia, (#53) Israel.

I get it , the hate is on for JT and to try and take him down his opponents want to take a US politics approach, fabricate stories that Canada did shitty, to make him look bad. Thing is it wont work in Canada, we have an educated and informed public. the truth is in the numbers.

Fact is Canada for Western Industrialized nations, our repose was the gold standard, the deaths per 1 million prove it..

The US did worse than North Macedonia, WTF is a North Macedonia?

		Tot Cases/	Deaths/	Population
	Country	1M pop	1M pop
1	Gibraltar	125,757	2,731	33,684
2	San Marino	108,040	2,148	33,978
3	Belgium	65,961	1,896	11,622,788
4	Czechia	114,492	1,883	10,722,060
5	Slovenia	91,205	1,845	2,079,126
6	UK	61,114	1,797	68,120,388
7	Italy	47,827	1,610	60,403,209
8	Portugal	78,880	1,596	10,177,094
9	Montenegro	119,068	1,583	628,118
10	USA	87,688	1,574	332,277,970
11	Bosnia and Herzegovina	40,087	1,552	3,267,336
12	Hungary	43,978	1,545	9,644,170
13	North Macedonia	48,846	1,497	2,083,318
14	Spain	68,180	1,478	46,766,708
15	Bulgaria	35,527	1,465	6,913,867
16	Andorra	139,917	1,422	77,346
17	Mexico	15,998	1,421	129,820,722
18	Liechtenstein	67,173	1,414	38,200
19	Peru	39,563	1,385	33,272,390
20	Croatia	59,341	1,348	4,088,541
21	Panama	77,946	1,335	4,359,167
22	France	56,786	1,318	65,368,578
23	Slovakia	56,079	1,295	5,461,384
24	Sweden	64,819	1,265	10,140,634
25	Lithuania	73,168	1,199	2,697,111
26	Brazil	48,971	1,185	213,551,580
27	Colombia	43,811	1,162	51,238,374
28	Poland	44,868	1,154	37,819,286
29	Switzerland	63,813	1,145	8,696,178
30	Argentina	46,159	1,141	45,467,818
31	Armenia	57,903	1,075	2,966,889
32	Chile	42,496	1,061	19,223,871
33	Romania	41,546	1,056	19,152,885
34	Luxembourg	87,112	1,007	632,633
35	Bolivia	21,048	986	11,777,226
36	Moldova	45,518	968	4,027,779
37	Austria	50,587	944	9,040,165
38	Netherlands	62,884	903	17,159,826
39	Ecuador	15,860	882	17,818,236
40	Georgia	67,897	878	3,984,117
41	Ireland	43,879	865	4,973,929
42	Latvia	45,829	862	1,872,391
43	Germany	29,020	839	83,960,193
44	South Africa	25,265	833	59,798,322
45	Belize	30,554	783	402,340
46	Iran	19,164	708	84,696,825
47	Malta	50,233	708	442,317
48	Lebanon	54,324	677	6,805,266
49	Tunisia	19,493	667	11,899,686
50	Aruba	73,311	663	107,064
51	Sint Maarten	47,529	625	43,195
52	Greece	18,115	620	10,389,436
53	Israel	83,802	619	9,197,590
54	Albania	36,592	611	2,875,726
55	Ukraine	30,808	594	43,560,183
56	Russia	29,010	587	145,975,683
57	Monaco	49,258	583	39,425
58	Canada	22,695	577	37,959,267
59	Eswatini	14,530	556	1,168,039
60	Costa Rica	39,874	546	5,124,632
61	Serbia	52,012	507	8,714,140
62	French Polynesia	65,208	493	281,975
63	Channel Islands	23,057	492	174,914
64	Jordan	37,384	453	10,269,551
65	Bahamas	21,529	452	395,708
66	Estonia	48,525	440	1,327,123
67	Paraguay	21,920	438	7,189,916
68	Honduras	16,878	411	10,007,574
69	Denmark	36,208	405	5,805,619
70	Guadeloupe	24,355	397	400,169
71	Palestine	34,922	390	5,178,613
72	Mayotte	60,849	386	277,098
73	Turks and Caicos	53,456	358	39,060
74	Guatemala	9,586	350	18,131,879
75	Turkey	31,601	335	84,933,885
76	Iraq	16,876	327	40,810,326
	World	14,635	324.7
77	Azerbaijan	22,942	315	10,199,129
78	Libya	19,107	314	6,932,442
79	Saint Martin	39,492	307	39,097
80	Oman	27,083	301	5,191,067
81	Isle of Man	5,567	293	85,329
82	Suriname	15,105	288	590,080
83	El Salvador	9,199	283	6,507,717
84	Dominican Republic	21,815	282	10,919,236
85	French Guiana	54,746	280	303,714
86	Cabo Verde	27,240	261	559,945
87	Bahrain	69,620	254	1,739,824
88	Kuwait	43,843	249	4,311,878
89	Guyana	10,789	247	789,047
90	Morocco	12,985	231	37,197,142
91	Kyrgyzstan	13,069	222	6,594,529
92	Belarus	30,115	207	9,447,275
93	Montserrat	4,005	200	4,994
94	Bermuda	11,348	193	62,126
95	Cyprus	28,176	190	1,213,130
96	Saint Lucia	18,221	190	184,179
97	Saudi Arabia	10,712	184	35,168,320
98	Uruguay	16,240	173	3,481,649
99	Namibia	14,945	163	2,570,946
100	Comoros	4,036	163	881,673
101	Caribbean Netherlands	16,260	152	26,383
102	Antigua and Barbuda	7,120	142	98,461
103	Jamaica	7,567	139	2,969,665
104	Lesotho	4,872	136	2,153,396
105	Kazakhstan	11,204	134	18,923,820
106	Finland	10,286	134	5,546,387
107	Curaçao	28,669	134	164,534
108	Indonesia	4,826	131	275,419,507
109	Botswana	11,908	130	2,382,590
110	Sao Tome and Principe	7,867	126	221,815
111	UAE	38,982	122	9,968,670
112	Martinique	17,829	120	375,073
113	Barbados	10,410	115	287,607
114	Norway	12,950	114	5,449,067
115	India	7,978	113	1,388,901,219
116	Philippines	5,195	111	110,535,735
117	Seychelles	26,249	111	98,747
118	Maldives	35,626	110	546,761
119	Egypt	1,750	102	103,593,955
120	St. Barth	57,896	101	9,897
121	Trinidad and Tobago	5,493	99	1,402,469
122	Zimbabwe	2,402	98	15,004,449
123	Nepal	9,297	94	29,478,959
124	Mauritania	3,634	93	4,729,081
125	Qatar	57,959	92	2,807,805
126	Iceland	17,651	85	342,698
127	St. Vincent Grenadines	13,762	72	111,172
128	Algeria	2,542	67	44,368,007
129	Equatorial Guinea	4,158	64	1,432,826
130	Djibouti	6,078	63	997,398
131	Afghanistan	1,410	62	39,499,296
132	Japan	3,403	61	126,221,005
133	Gambia	1,906	60	2,460,743
134	Myanmar	2,596	59	54,649,361
135	Réunion	13,803	58	899,507
136	Pakistan	2,587	57	223,690,464
137	Zambia	4,148	57	18,718,208
138	Syria	870	57	17,777,245
139	Malawi	1,628	53	19,451,272
140	Bangladesh	3,293	51	165,765,220
141	Senegal	2,011	51	17,030,657
142	Venezuela	4,872	47	28,382,787
143	Sudan	636	42	44,515,697
144	Gabon	6,444	37	2,259,915
145	Australia	1,127	35	25,693,717
146	Malaysia	9,140	34	32,637,502
147	Kenya	1,934	34	54,542,863
148	British Virgin Islands	5,039	33	30,363
149	S. Korea	1,741	31	51,298,245
150	Cayman Islands	6,704	30	66,228
151	Cuba	4,278	28	11,322,060
152	Hong Kong	1,457	26	7,536,900
153	Nicaragua	965	26	6,676,181
154	Guinea-Bissau	1,622	24	1,998,274
155	Congo	1,573	23	5,606,435
156	Sri Lanka	3,839	22	21,472,289
157	Haiti	1,081	22	11,493,566
158	Yemen	75	21	30,253,881
159	Ethiopia	1,344	20	116,815,749
160	Cameroon	1,324	20	26,975,619
161	Rwanda	1,420	20	13,161,044
162	Faeroe Islands	13,433	20	48,985
163	Ghana	2,622	19	31,495,736
164	Mozambique	1,829	19	31,823,930
165	Uzbekistan	2,363	18	33,786,497
166	Mali	405	17	20,629,336
167	Liberia	391	17	5,135,054
168	Angola	619	15	33,528,819
169	Somalia	413	14	16,181,106
170	CAR	1,024	13	4,884,610
171	Madagascar	704	11	28,153,787
172	Togo	801	10	8,405,019
173	Sierra Leone	481	10	8,082,756
174	Nigeria	740	9	209,462,655
175	Tajikistan	1,375	9	9,677,160
176	Grenada	1,311	9	112,866
177	DRC	281	8	91,326,674
178	South Sudan	689	8	11,279,697
179	Chad	236	8	16,731,743
180	Mauritius	479	8	1,273,157
181	Uganda	864	7	46,676,895
182	Ivory Coast	1,212	7	26,803,128
183	Guinea	1,189	7	13,364,176
184	Burkina Faso	561	7	21,275,518
185	Niger	191	7	24,772,813
186	Brunei	420	7	440,226
187	Benin	441	6	12,329,565
188	Singapore	10,190	5	5,880,543
189	New Zealand	474	5	5,002,100
190	China	62	3	1,439,323,776
191	Eritrea	796	2	3,578,539
192	Fiji	66	2	900,710
193	Western Sahara	16	2	606,892
194	Thailand	370	1	69,915,243
195	Papua New Guinea	136	1	9,057,618
196	Bhutan	1,116	1	777,176
197	Mongolia	865	0.6	3,312,794
198	Vietnam	25	0.4	97,913,128
199	Taiwan	40	0.4	23,845,154
200	Tanzania	8	0.3	60,838,511
201	Burundi	177	0.2	12,120,463
202	Cambodia	45		16,870,373
203	Diamond Princess
204	Dominica	1,969		72,104
205	Timor-Leste	83		1,334,830
206	New Caledonia	202		287,298
207	Falkland Islands	15,228		3,546
208	Macao	73		655,128
209	Laos	6		7,344,620
210	Saint Kitts and Nevis	767		53,446
211	Greenland	528		56,835
212	Vatican City	33,666		802
213	Saint Pierre Miquelon	4,156		5,775
214	Anguilla	1,193		15,091
215	Solomon Islands	26		697,841
216	MS Zaandam
217	Wallis and Futuna	810		11,108
218	Marshall Islands	67		59,452
219	Samoa	15		199,280
220	Micronesia	9		115,813
221	Vanuatu	3		311,817

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Bluelines]

So you're saying they played us? But that's not really what I'm talking about. Some of of those people literally encouraged us to go out and mingle and live normally. That has nothing to do with "freedom fighters", that's them not having any clue whatsoever but they're "the experts" that our leaders are deferring to.

Let me put it this way: the "experts" say clean out your peanut butter jar before putting it into the recycling bin. What do you think has a bigger environmental impact: that plastic jar ending up in a landfill or the amount of tap water it would take to clean it out? Answer that honestly and you'll know where you stand with the "experts".

Clearly the plastic, water is reintroduced to the soil/lakes/rivers and recycled as rain. Plastic can take thousands of years to break down. You may want to rethink your "what about-isms".

 

[Bluelines]

Glad to see the welfare provinces find it funny.

LOL, looks like he hit a nerve... Hey you got any spare bleach?

 

[Bluelines]

Among first world countries, we're better than average. And considering many of the countries below us either have incomplete statistical gathering capabilities or are downright full of it (China and Turkey to name two), the "world average" isn't terribly useful.

He knows that , his routine is to mislead and misinform, he has his own agenda and it has nothing to do with concern about how Canada spent it's money.

 

[Bluelines]

Too funny!
You at the CPAC conference?

LOL, well played!

Yep this is a real thing



Perhaps if Senators acted less like teen age girls fawning over a pop star and more like leaders, the death toll in the US wouldn't have been so high. How many Nanny's and Grampies died because of right wing politics? Thousands no doubt.

 

[Bluelines]

I wonder just how much Josef Fauci knew about the virus one year ago. I bet it would shock us, but not surprise us.

Pivot much?

 

[Bluelines]

Very interesting date. Fauci definitely knew what was about to happen then, as did everyone on the Covid Task Force. But it was all he or any of them could publicly say at the time. Feb. 29, 2020 was a few days after Waddles (thanks to one of his hissyfits) cancelled a meeting with the Task Force where they were going to recommend drastic action.

Prior to Waddles agreeing to the declaration of a national emergency on March 13th, anyone going against his initial Covid stance would have been fired. And at least one guy was.

So what you are saying is there was an idiot in charge of the government response and that limited Fauci in what he could say or do?

Contrast that with this recent quote from Fauci abut his new boss...

“The idea that you can get up here and you can talk about what you know, what evidence, what the science is, and know that’s it – let the science speak. It is somewhat of a liberating feeling,” Fauci said Thursday in his first White House press briefing in months.

WOW.

 

[Bluelines]

Glad to see the welfare provinces find it funny.

Say's the guy who lives in the state with the 3rd highest amount of federal government handouts...

Those who live in glass houses...

The ten states with the highest total federal funding are:

1. California ($43.61 billion)
2. Texas ($26.90 billion)
3. Florida ($23.77 billion)
4. New York ($22.06 billion)
5. Virginia ($17.68 billion)
6. Pennsylvania ($15.58 billion)
7. Illinois ($13.18 billion)
8. Ohio ($12.57 billion)
9. North Carolina ($11.31 billion)
10. Michigan ($10.84 billion)

Federal aid is distributed to states for transportation, public education, Medicaid, community development, and other programs vital to residents

States that receive more federal aid tend to have poorer populations, lower tax revenues, and have more assistance programs such as Medicaid. States with higher income residents tend to receive less federal aid.​

 

[Nineteen67]

Say's the guy who lives in the state with the 3rd highest amount of federal government handouts...

Those who live in glass houses...

The ten states with the highest total federal funding are:

1. California ($43.61 billion)
2. Texas ($26.90 billion)
3. Florida ($23.77 billion)
4. New York ($22.06 billion)
5. Virginia ($17.68 billion)
6. Pennsylvania ($15.58 billion)
7. Illinois ($13.18 billion)
8. Ohio ($12.57 billion)
9. North Carolina ($11.31 billion)
10. Michigan ($10.84 billion)

Federal aid is distributed to states for transportation, public education, Medicaid, community development, and other programs vital to residents

States that receive more federal aid tend to have poorer populations, lower tax revenues, and have more assistance programs such as Medicaid. States with higher income residents tend to receive less federal aid.​

Since you highlighted Florida, they have the large number of Medicare beneficiaries And yet their net funding per resident is in the lower half.

 

[Nineteen67]

Which page from your FSB playbook did you pull that one out of?

If companies were following proper protocols, you know the things you feel are stupid and needless, transmission wouldn't be at a bare minimum. Unfortunately for society many people are like you, the "this Covid thing is no biggie" crowd, they don't take proper protocols and get sick. In reality it's the anti masker 'Merica crowd that is powering this spread, sure some decent well meaning people catch it but they catch it from selfish Cletus or Karen, you know the bleach brigade...

Lets play a game, lets say you support your mindless governor, you don't demand that he enacts common sense protocols cause you serpurt freedum.... and many more people die as a result of your governors careless mindless actions, think of all the people you put in danger from not demanding that your state put in common sense protocols? If you vote for Governor "freedum" again are you endorsing state sponsored murder?

I'm just playing my little part to employ people, so they can support their families. If we all stopped supporting the economy, like you would like us to do, it would destroy millions of peoples lives. I'm just doing my patriotic part.

Prolonged close contact is what spreads the virus. Unless a plant has oxygen fed hazmat suits they’re spreading the virus if they have it.

If you’re referring to DeSantis his policies did better than the Govs that had lockdowns and mandates. I don’t support because of party, I literally despise all politicians, however he did follow the science that has been known for years and used the data presented to him and let they young people go while encouraging them to stay away from the elderly. That strategy did not bring the the health care system to its knees.

 

[Nineteen67]

Pivot much?

You remember all the folks in late Feb and March telling us this was nothing to worry about. For example, this politician was following the advice of NYC health, who was following the feds, led by Fauci.



Was Fauci lying, being lied to, or just incompetent?

 

[Bluelines]

You remember all the folks in late Feb and March telling us this was nothing to worry about. For example, this politician was following the advice of NYC health, who was following the feds, led by Fauci.



Was Fauci lying, being lied to, or just incompetent?

Pivot much?

 

[ULF_55]

So you're saying they played us? But that's not really what I'm talking about. Some of of those people literally encouraged us to go out and mingle and live normally. That has nothing to do with "freedom fighters", that's them not having any clue whatsoever but they're "the experts" that our leaders are deferring to.

Let me put it this way: the "experts" say clean out your peanut butter jar before putting it into the recycling bin. What do you think has a bigger environmental impact: that plastic jar ending up in a landfill or the amount of tap water it would take to clean it out? Answer that honestly and you'll know where you stand with the "experts".

I do a light rinse on recycle items but I'm not wasting my water on making it clean.

I pay twice for water, they charge us for using it and charge us the same amount for it going down the drain. Watering the garden is the part that is really annoying as I'm charged a sewage fee equal to all water I use, and it ain't going down the sewer it's being consumed by my plants.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I do a light rinse on recycle items but I'm not wasting my water on making it clean.

I pay twice for water, they charge us for using it and charge us the same amount for it going down the drain. Watering the garden is the part that is really annoying as I'm charged a sewage fee equal to all water I use, and it ain't going down the sewer it's being consumed by my plants.

Just saying, unless those items are clean, they likely end up in the landfill. The ironic thing is I'm sure some here would see me as a denier or a climate skeptic, whatever. But I'm the one turning lights off all over the house, worried about using salt on the sidewalk, I guilt people all the time about rinsing paints, oil, etc., into storm drains (do people have any clue this is a direct line into the lake/ocean with zero treatment?). I'm so much more environmentally sensitive than pretty much anyone I know but I'd be looked at differently because I'm realistic about certain things.

 

[ULF_55]

Just saying, unless those items are clean, they likely end up in the landfill. The ironic thing is I'm sure some here would see me as a denier or a climate skeptic, whatever. But I'm the one turning lights off all over the house, worried about using salt on the sidewalk, I guilt people all the time about rinsing paints, oil, etc., into storm drains (do people have any clue this is a direct line into the lake/ocean with zero treatment?). I'm so much more environmentally sensitive than pretty much anyone I know but I'd be looked at differently because I'm realistic about certain things.

It is a balance, if they aren't clean enough (usually aluminum) some other species can dig it up in 100,000 years when we're long gone.

I have my hybrid using 5 litres per 100, recycle, check country of origin for products, work for free .5 to 1 day per week for the people. But I'm not all in I still eat meat. If you eat meat you aren't all in. And really you shouldn't eat apples unless they've fallen on the own. ;-)

Yeah, I think people today know you don't use storm drains for toxic material.

Actually, here you can't even wash your car letting the water go down the drain.

 

[Nineteen67]

Pivot much?

Who was advising everyone? Was he lied to, was he lying, or is he incompetent?

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Has anyone in the media asked the doctors, public health officials or the government why cases and hospital census in the UK continued to decline after the variant was discovered?

It's pretty simple if you want to look for the answers without being biased one way or the other. In late January the CDC and WHO warned that the PCR test at anything over 30 cycles was likely to lead to false positives. Now the companies that have those testing machines updated their firmware or software to reduce the amount of cycles per test. Thus, the false positives were mostly eliminated from the equation. Why people in the media and government are baffled by the sudden drop in cases is hilarious. Doesn't anyone read the news?...especially from the CDC and WHO?

So we had over 4k cases a day in ontario in mid to late January...and magically the cases drop to just over 1k within a few weeks...and people think its because of a vaccine that barely got a chance to roll out. It's comical actually...and BTW...I called this exact scenario amongst my friends back in the fall when the election was done...I just assumed it would have been done sooner (lowering the PCR cycles) than late January.

 

[Bluelines]

Who was advising everyone? Was he lied to, was he lying, or is he incompetent?

In the hierarchy of the US government who has more power the POTUS or the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases? Who was the guy who was caught in over 60,000 lies over a 4 years period and is currently under multiple federal and state investigations for fraud, tax invasion and was impeached twice? Who is about to be charged for insurrection?