My post wasn't meant to put down anybody. I don't work non stop and just work 40 hrs a week. My point was more about UBI and how some people would be happy sitting at home doing nothing.
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Of course there will be people who won't work if there's a UBI, but I think most people still would choose to work to top off their UBI. What people won't do is work bullshit jobs that aren't fulfilling unless they are incentivized through higher wages or other benefits. The job market becomes flipped to favour the employee instead of the employer which is why businesses reject and fight the idea
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That is why traditionally there was some incentive around bettering ones self, through education, or hard work and experience.
Fulfilling is what comes from hard work.
"incentivized through higher wages or other benefits".
Right.
Yes everyone should learn to do something, but the bottom line is somebody is going to end up on the bottom of the totem pole.
I don't agree. I'm not just talking about blue collar or low wage jobs, a lot of bullshit jobs are white collar.
For example, I have a graduate degree, I have a well paying job, I work hard; I do not feel fulfilled and I would say the same for most of my peers and I'm sure you could say that about people who work in many professions. If I could maintain my lifestyle or even at a slightly reduced lifestyle I would easily give up my job. This doesn't mean I wouldn't work, I'd rather work to do something more fulfilling than what I'm currently doing. For example work at a non-profit, an industry which has lower wages but I would find more fulfilling personally.
Most people work bullshit jobs and wouldn't do them if they had the choice because they're unfulfilling and that scares businesses
Oh no, this college graduate with a higher paying job is being oppressed by reality and isn't feeling fulfilled
We must now ignore basic economic principles that have made our nation's wealthy to solve his first world problems
I'm pretty sure people stacking grocery store shelves lack fulfilment, what's the plan? Triple the amount for groceries or no food on the shelves?
People are going through major economic hardship and governments are running up untold amounts of debt because of COVID and this is what your thinking about? Your job fulfilment
Unbelievable
You mean that very same economic system and principles which has clearly failed all those people facing economic hardship and untold amounts of debt? Seems to be working well...
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The problem with this statement is it assumes we're divided between a few greedy hoarders and the rest of us peons. The truth is, there's an entire spectrum of people, their position in life and what they've worked for and earned and there are only a few outliers that fit the filthy rich tycoon stereotype. I can't describe to you how much it offends me when it's implied I didn't earn what I have. Not a single thing came easy to me in my life.
Good for him. I bet he's paid far more into the system than he can ever hope to take out.
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I agree but I think there's also the whole dynamic of how you always compare yourself to your neighbours. If me and my neighbours all lived in mud huts, I'd be happy with a mud hut and I'd try to have the best mud hut on the street. When you live on the Bridle Path, it's exactly the same dynamic except your neighbours are also on the Bridle Path.
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The guy tells you his situation and then you shit all over him because he is honestly telling you his personal situation.
Toxic unnecessary response.
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Your right most people work bullshit jobs just for the money.
Often you can have a well paying job or you can feel personal fulfillment. you often don't get both. For some of the lucky ones they have a fat bank account and go to bed with a smile on their face because they feel fulfilled.
My daughter left a well paying job to work in the child development field. At the time I tried to coach her to stay in her well paying job. It was a substantial pay drop (around 50%) but with her new job she went home with a smile on her face, felt fulfilled, then like almost every job after a period of time it became an emotional drag on her. So now she has the struggles of a poor paying job, the drag of job she no longer looks forward too and little prospects to get out of the job in the near future. I guess what I'm saying is the grass is not always greener. Know that anywhere you go the job will eventually take an emotional toll on you, the difference is when you go home do you have the freedom of not having financial stress or are you pinching pennies to by a box of KD.
When I retire I will move to the non profit, food kitchen as a volunteer full-ish time, but for now I have a responsibility to make sure I nest away as much $$$ for my retirement as I can so I can live the life I want to live when I retire.
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Stress will find you no matter what you do. It's how you manage that stress that is important.
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It what keeps them alive, there is a reason why a lot of people die within a few years after their retirement (besides getting old)... you have to have a purpose in life besides lying on the couch.
I'm one of those people, I love to work, I live to work. I got my first job when I was 11 years old working at the gun club loading skeets into the skeet machine. When I retire, I'm headed down to the soup kitchen the next day and pulling a full shift.
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At one time schools would teach people the skills they needed to live a successful life, reading, writing and math. Our schools systems are built around a 100 year old "need". Our school system should be teaching kids from Grade 1, how to manage your money, my grand dad taught me 40 years ago, with the exception of a house or a car, if you can't pay for it with cash, you can't afford it, be a saver. They should have Computer Science as a course from grade 1.
These economic hardships stem from lack of education, many people don't know how to manage money, they don't know the difference between cash flow and a savings account. Many live hand to mouth and pay cheque to pay cheque... that is a recipe for disaster. How many people have 6 months of salary saved in their savings for a rainy day? How many put 10% of their net away every pay? How many delay that big purchase till they have the money saved or do they want that instant gratification of buying something and just toss it on a 22% interest credit card?
Our society / education system is not built for people making sound financial decisions.
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Remember back in the 80's reading some business text and they were talking about incentives. Canadian Business Administration? whatever
Scenario was the company wanted to make financial cuts to employees.
I'll make up the numbers been a long time...
Eliminated lunch room perqs: 3% employees quit
Eliminated health benefits: 10% employees quit
Eliminated overtime pay: 12% employees quit
Eliminated wages: ...
Obviously, they were just trying to be honest about why employees work for someone and that when the argument is brought up the money isn't an incentive they're just talking out of their butts.
As for UBI, I like the idea, and have heard the discussions and really if someone really was against it and Yang suggested they could donate it.
An easier option might be to double the individual basic exemption to minimum wage amount times the normal 2,000 hours worked per year.
So right now $30,000 basic exemption, so people making minimum wage can live without needing supplements for everything.
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I can only speak for the CERB effect and I can say for a fact when that was in place last year, we had a hard time recruiting people to work.
For many people, they will only do enough to survive, the concept of 40 hrs per week (i wish I only worked 4o) is cruel and unusual punishment. I was trying to direct my son towards a career and his response was that does not sound like it would be fun. Fun? WTF?
I have no issues with a government "top up" for people who are making low wages as long as it not a life long action plan. If the top up helps pay for day care so mommy and daddy can work full time, I have no issue with the top up. Top people up long enough to either go to school to get a trade/ skill so they can get off the top up plan or have those people work x number of hours per week for the government, picking up garbage, cutting grass, painting park benches, what ever skill they can do so society sees a benefit too. If its just free mailbox money so Johnny an buy more weed/booze, I'm not for the top up.
There has to be some benefit for society if this is the route we take. The CERB was in a away a dry run for free government money with no strings, IMO it did nothing but create millions of couch potato's.
For many people, they will only do enough to survive, the concept of 40 hrs per week (i wish I only worked 4o) is cruel and unusual punishment. I was trying to direct my son towards a career and his response was that does not sound like it would be fun. Fun? WTF?
I have no issues with a government "top up" for people who are making low wages as long as it not a life long action plan. If the top up helps pay for day care so mommy and daddy can work full time, I have no issue with the top up. Top people up long enough to either go to school to get a trade/ skill so they can get off the top up plan or have those people work x number of hours per week for the government, picking up garbage, cutting grass, painting park benches, what ever skill they can do so society sees a benefit too. If its just free mailbox money so Johnny an buy more weed/booze, I'm not for the top up.
There has to be some benefit for society if this is the route we take. The CERB was in a away a dry run for free government money with no strings, IMO it did nothing but create millions of couch potato's.
That is being human and very normal ... I learned over years I really try not to compare myself anymore to anybody else ... in hockey most of my coaches and my dad used to always motivate me by saying you need to be more like X or Y ... bottom line I found I could never be what someone else wanted me to be ... so i stopped when I turned 35 ... since then I just do what I like to do ... except of course da wifey and my investment partners who exert some control over what I do
So, is the two weeks at a time lockdown decision just a scam?
Canada's top doctor says vaccines could allow toughest restrictions to lift before September
Canada's top doctor says vaccines could allow toughest restrictions to lift before September
Best thing you can do for yourself is do what you want to do ... don't accept where you are at if you not happy ... i was in a similar spot when I was 35 had my CPA worked in a job getting around 200,000 per but i was not happy working 75+ hours a week ... things can change for da better if you desire ... it all starts and ends with you
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