Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XI

[The Hanging Jowl]

When they open up again, I hope it's not with rules that they have to close by 10..

My wife loves to go to bed early, and with baseball practice in the evenings, I enjoyed going to the local pub to watch the Leafs on the West Coast.

Now with more games in the west this year, I hope I can do that again

LOL, that's my life exactly. It worked perfectly. She's asleep by 9 and I'd be out with buddies. Not anymore, I fall asleep at eth drop of a hat now.

 

[Bluelines]

He’s intentionally being obtuse.

No not being obtuse at all, I completely understand your POV and I think it's selfish. I don't agree with you and I'm really this stubborn when people put #1 before the rest of their country men ... not being obtuse at all. Canadians don't act that way.

 

[ULF_55]

I think you keep confusing me with other people. No asthma. Bald though, sucks. And no, there have been no crowded restaurants for months and months because even when they were allowed to open, they were restricted to 10 customers. And even if it was crowded, I go to get the f away from work and family for an hour. I find the most isolated spot and sit by myself and enjoy my food, beer and conversations with people like you (no sarcasm).

Anyway, not sure what to say, our experiences are very different. I can tell you for sure though that small businesses want to be open, that's not arguable.

I need a minor bathroom reno, and just don't want to try tiling, so need tiling done in kitchen. I wouldn't mind getting some new interior doors, replacing the builders grade I have.

I really don't want people in the house right now though.

That would help small business, maybe in a few months after I get vaccinated?

 

[GoonieFace]

No not being obtuse at all, I completely understand your POV and I think it's selfish. I don't agree with you and I'm really this stubborn when people put #1 before the rest of their country men ... not being obtuse at all. Canadians don't act that way.

I do not think anyway is putting themselves before anyway else, oh expect the government of this country.

 

[Bluelines]

I need a minor bathroom reno, and just don't want to try tiling, so need tiling done in kitchen. I wouldn't mind getting some new interior doors, replacing the builders grade I have.

I really don't want people in the house right now though.

That would help small business, maybe in a few months after I get vaccinated?

With YouTube in your back pocket there is no minor reno you can't do. There is a little art to tiling but once you get it, it's really simple. If you are planning a reno, give yourself lots of time. My contractor was telling me some stuff like lumber there is a shortage. I have two things on back order from Costco, seems like the supply chain is starting to be affected more. YouTube taught me how to drywall, insulate, lay laminate flooring, lay interlocking brick walk way. Change the oil in my SxS, grease the zerk points on my SxS, how to use bubble gum wrapper to start a fire... Youtube is my go to teacher.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I need a minor bathroom reno, and just don't want to try tiling, so need tiling done in kitchen. I wouldn't mind getting some new interior doors, replacing the builders grade I have.

I really don't want people in the house right now though.

That would help small business, maybe in a few months after I get vaccinated?

I've reno'd my whole house and office in the last 3 years. I'd say I did 60% of the work myself. You should do it yourself. Feel free to ask advice. Tiling is way easier than it looks. For me the only hard part is the "finish" work like caulking, paint lines where the wall hits the ceiling, etc., because I have stupid hands. Pretty good at grunt work though.

 

[Future]

Yes, the government was too easy handed.

When given suggestions not to travel, people still chose to travel. That's is what happens when you give people freedom, they chose what is best for their own personal wants.
When the government let private companies take over LTC, they left it up to those companies to take care, and of course private business has one objective profit. That means cutting everything as much as possible, including cheap labour. Private business is in love with cheap labour.
When the government let our abilities to create vaccines erode over the years, it was about money. Private companies are just in it to make money, so if they can make more money taking their business to another country that is what they'll do.

Yes, they were not strict enough in the critical areas and too strict in others. Travel restrictions should’ve been the number one priority, why do people need to travel during a pandemic in which the virus was imported through travellers? LTC homes have been the places most affected by the virus and where most of the deaths have come from. These are the critical areas that needed to be addressed.

Instead they turned their attention to restricting a large percentage of people from making a living. The majority of the spread isn’t taking place in most businesses. It’s a fraction. But their hammer has come down on people and their jobs.

And it’s not just vaccine production here, the federal government put all their eggs in the wrong basket when it came to vaccine securement. They’ve screwed up every major decision they’ve made thus far. You can say it’s easy to be a Monday Morning QB, but this stuff was generally common sense and nothing people weren’t already asking for at the time.

Ohhh can I make some more assumptions about you internet tough guy? I'm REALLY good at reading people.. LIKE REALLY... REALLY GOOD...

You’re just embarrassing yourself now.

 

[Nineteen67]

No not being obtuse at all, I completely understand your POV and I think it's selfish. I don't agree with you and I'm really this stubborn when people put #1 before the rest of their country men ... not being obtuse at all. Canadians don't act that way.

That’s not even remotely my stance. I say put the people first, let them live. We know what this virus is, we’ve seen failed attempts all over the world trying to stop it. There is no scientific reason why you selfishly advocate for child abuse.

 

[ULF_55]

I've reno'd my whole house and office in the last 3 years. I'd say I did 60% of the work myself. You should do it yourself. Feel free to ask advice. Tiling is way easier than it looks. For me the only hard part is the "finish" work like caulking, paint lines where the wall hits the ceiling, etc., because I have stupid hands. Pretty good at grunt work though.

I reno'd a 2nd floor on my 1890's house in the 80's, from stud, including wiring. Left that house in the 80's and moved away.
I reno'd my kitchen, including building the cupboards from stud about 10 years. Had someone come in and install the granite.
I reno'd my mainfloor bathroom from stud about 14 years ago.

I don't do tile. I want someone who is execllent doing tiling. And my door hanging ability isn't up to my standards LOL.

Maybe I'm too particular, but I've complained about tiling I've seen on the reno shows, uneven grout lines, not using schluter? Looks unfinished to me.

 

[Nineteen67]

I've reno'd my whole house and office in the last 3 years. I'd say I did 60% of the work myself. You should do it yourself. Feel free to ask advice. Tiling is way easier than it looks. For me the only hard part is the "finish" work like caulking, paint lines where the wall hits the ceiling, etc., because I have stupid hands. Pretty good at grunt work though.

My wife is really good at cutting in and she likes to do it.....

im with you on the grunt work.....I did all the demo, built walls, put up sheetrock and let the experts do the rest. Of course, that only saves money and time if you have the tools.

 

[Bluelines]

That’s not even remotely my stance. I say put the people first, let them live. We know what this virus is, we’ve seen failed attempts all over the world trying to stop it. There is no scientific reason why you selfishly advocate for child abuse.

FFS dude bring your pity party somewhere else. Perhaps go back and read some of the slop you posted. I'd suggest willfully exposing children to a potentially dangerous virus would put you in a category of criminal negligence. Hey Jimmy make sure you lick all the door knobs before you leave McDonalds wouldn't want you to miss out on COPD ...

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I reno'd a 2nd floor on my 1890's house in the 80's, from stud, including wiring. Left that house in the 80's and moved away.
I reno'd my kitchen, including building the cupboards from stud about 10 years. Had someone come in and install the granite.
I reno'd my mainfloor bathroom from stud about 14 years ago.

I don't do tile. I want someone who is execllent doing tiling. And my door hanging ability isn't up to my standards LOL.

Maybe I'm too particular, but I've complained about tiling I've seen on the reno shows, uneven grout lines, not using schluter? Looks unfinished to me.

I was always scared of tile and you need a tile saw. I realized for $120 you can get a cheap tile saw at Lowes and even if you only use it once, you still come out on top. Honestly, it was one of the easier things I did. Also did all my own electrical (always been comfortable with that) and plumbing - pex + sharkbites are a gamechanger for unskilled people like me. None of this was about money, just don't like depending on others (been let down too many times).

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

My wife is really good at cutting in and she likes to do it.....

im with you on the grunt work.....I did all the demo, built walls, put up sheetrock and let the experts do the rest. Of course, that only saves money and time if you have the tools.

Yep, sounds similar to me. I have no idea how your wife does that. My garbage eyesight and shaky hands will never allow it. I mask and it looks awful (bleeds every time).

 

[nsleaf]

I need a minor bathroom reno, and just don't want to try tiling, so need tiling done in kitchen. I wouldn't mind getting some new interior doors, replacing the builders grade I have.

I really don't want people in the house right now though.

That would help small business, maybe in a few months after I get vaccinated?

Just had a kitchen renovation(cupboards, countertop, flooring, crown molding) done and a heat pump installed. Had contractors in the house, all wearing masks. No issues, but I'm in N.S. where covid case count stands at eight as of today.
I'm a Biomedical Engineer by trade but cannot saw a strait line or hammer a nail without harming the project or myself. I leave it to the pros.

 

[Nineteen67]

FFS dude bring your pity party somewhere else. Perhaps go back and read some of the slop you posted. I'd suggest willfully exposing children to a potentially dangerous virus would put you in a category of criminal negligence. Hey Jimmy make sure you lick all the door knobs before you leave McDonalds wouldn't want you to miss out on COPD ...

Have you seen the data? Studies from all over the world?

Do they lock kids in during the flu season in NB?

 

[meefer]

I've not followed this thread, I'm no expert, I am impressed how the medical community has responded in such a short time. Realizing this is a ridiculously small data set, it nonetheless is encouraging, A cure for Covid? Israeli team claims new drug has 96% success rate

 

[Muston Atthews]

No not being obtuse at all, I completely understand your POV and I think it's selfish. I don't agree with you and I'm really this stubborn when people put #1 before the rest of their country men ... not being obtuse at all. Canadians don't act that way.

If I told you my aunt, uncle, brother, sister, mother, father etc. passed away from whatever disease you can think of, you would probably tell me "I'm so sorry to hear that, I'm so sorry for your loss". Then you'd forget about the fact that they passed away a day later but most likely in 5-10 minutes.

This is what bothers me the most - people acting like they give a flying f*** about people they don't know about. You don't care about my family - but you'll tell everyone that you care for the rest of your countrymen.

It's not just you, it's a lot of people who insist that people are being selfish for looking out for their own best interests. Newsflash - you and the people around you are the only ones that care about you, unless someone is getting paid to. It's a cold world.

I'm sure I'll get responses telling me I'm a "psychopath" because they want to virtue signal and tell people that they care about every single person who dies - young and old. But when anyone brings up suicide rates, obesity, starvation... hell, the common f***ing flu etc. no one wants to hear it. COVID is just the newest thing for people to virtue signal for, the majority of people wouldn't/don't advocate for other "preventable" deaths but it makes them feel like they're doing something when they tell people to "stay home"

 

[IPS]

If I told you my aunt, uncle, brother, sister, mother, father etc. passed away from whatever disease you can think of, you would probably tell me "I'm so sorry to hear that, I'm so sorry for your loss". Then you'd forget about the fact that they passed away a day later but most likely in 5-10 minutes.

This is what bothers me the most - people acting like they give a flying f*** about people they don't know about. You don't care about my family - but you'll tell everyone that you care for the rest of your countrymen.

It's not just you, it's a lot of people who insist that people are being selfish for looking out for their own best interests. Newsflash - you and the people around you are the only ones that care about you, unless someone is getting paid to. It's a cold world.

I'm sure I'll get responses telling me I'm a "psychopath" because they want to virtue signal and tell people that they care about every single person who dies - young and old. But when anyone brings up suicide rates, obesity, starvation... hell, the common f***ing flu etc. no one wants to hear it. COVID is just the newest thing for people to virtue signal for, the majority of people wouldn't/don't advocate for other "preventable" deaths but it makes them feel like they're doing something when they tell people to "stay home"

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

I have no care for these virtue-signalling twats and their astounding lack of self awareness and double standards.

 

[Polaris1010]

If I told you my aunt, uncle, brother, sister, mother, father etc. passed away from whatever disease you can think of, you would probably tell me "I'm so sorry to hear that, I'm so sorry for your loss". Then you'd forget about the fact that they passed away a day later but most likely in 5-10 minutes.

This is what bothers me the most - people acting like they give a flying f*** about people they don't know about. You don't care about my family - but you'll tell everyone that you care for the rest of your countrymen.

It's not just you, it's a lot of people who insist that people are being selfish for looking out for their own best interests. Newsflash - you and the people around you are the only ones that care about you, unless someone is getting paid to. It's a cold world.

I'm sure I'll get responses telling me I'm a "psychopath" because they want to virtue signal and tell people that they care about every single person who dies - young and old. But when anyone brings up suicide rates, obesity, starvation... hell, the common f***ing flu etc. no one wants to hear it. COVID is just the newest thing for people to virtue signal for, the majority of people wouldn't/don't advocate for other "preventable" deaths but it makes them feel like they're doing something when they tell people to "stay home"

How many times have you been a pall bearer at a funeral of your close friends or family?

Myself, too many times to count. I really don't remember.

People grieve, and deal with pain differently.

It is just common courtesy to wish someone well after their loss.

If you don't give a shit ... ... well ... ... then ... ... you just don't give shit.

Another for term that worldview, is nihilism.

I liked your post because it was honest.

No hidden agenda, like "I got to make more money", or "this is a hoax." An honest opinion about the mechanics surrounding death and dying.

Hey, it happens!

 

[m1ker]

We will stay divided forever. Elites + minimum wage puppets vs the rest of us who have ambitions. Sadly they have all the money and the majority of the population.

 

[m1ker]

How many times have you been a pall bearer at a funeral of your close friends or family?

Myself, too many times to count. I really don't remember.

People grieve, and deal with pain differently.

It is just common courtesy to wish someone well after their loss.

If you don't give a shit ... ... well ... ... then ... ... you just don't give shit.

Another for term that worldview, is nihilism.

I liked your post because it was honest.

No hidden agenda, like "I got to make more money", or "this is a hoax." An honest opinion about the mechanics surrounding death and dying.

Hey, it happens!

The government taxes your estate when you die lol. Trust me buddy all they want is money they don’t give a shit if you live or die.

 

[Bluelines]

If I told you my aunt, uncle, brother, sister, mother, father etc. passed away from whatever disease you can think of, you would probably tell me "I'm so sorry to hear that, I'm so sorry for your loss". Then you'd forget about the fact that they passed away a day later but most likely in 5-10 minutes.

This is what bothers me the most - people acting like they give a flying f*** about people they don't know about. You don't care about my family - but you'll tell everyone that you care for the rest of your countrymen.

Wow nice rant but you missed the boat on who I am. I'm sure from your cynical POV you'd find this hard to believe but I do care about other people, even people I don't know. Before I had kids, I volunteered my time to teach kids baseball and hockey. I donate religiously to the Wounded Warrior fund every year, out of respect for people that gave their life up so I could live the life I have. I've opened my home to a family I didn't know because they were running from a domestic abuse situation (friends of a friend), no questions asked, free food, free board. I donate school supplies every September to the local school system because I know there are kids without proper school supplies, both of my kids have been out of school for a few years. Every year twice a year we donate a large amount of supplies to the veterinarian clinic that we use for our pets. I volunteer at the soup kitchen, I donate food to the soup kitchen. I plow out my neighbors driveway, not because I'm looking for something in return but because it sucks to shovel snow and I have the gear to do it kind of quickly.

So yes there are people that believe in community, there are people who do things for the sake of helping others with no expectation of anything reciprocal. Be the change you want to see in this world.

 

[Bluelines]

Have you seen the data? Studies from all over the world?

Do they lock kids in during the flu season in NB?

When you give complex multilayered data to a simple mind you get a simple conclusion. For example what if a person suffered from severe anxiety and OCD and took their life during this pandemic? Not because of the lock down rules but because there was a deadly virus spreading through the world? A simple mind would see this suicide and then think hey it's because of the lockdown rules because that simple mind needs to justify his/her simple and incorrect narrative. Prior to the pandemic suicides among people under the age of 25 were up 60% over a ten year period, were there any locks downs then? No? Some people say social media is the root cause for so many suicides among the younger generation. Perhaps that generation has more times on their hands, therefore more opportunity to get bullied online?

When I was in my early teens, two kids who were in my social circle killed themselves in a short period of time. One hung himself the other shot himself. I think we can both agree suicide comes from a person who is suffering from some sort of mental illness or mental distress. I do feel for those that are suffering from a mental illness and I pray they get the profession help they require before going down that road. It's not the lockdowns that are causing suicides, its the lack of coping skills or mental illness that is driving this.

So Flu = Covid-19 in your opinion?

 

[Confucius]

When you give complex multilayered data to a simple mind you get a simple conclusion. For example what if a person suffered from severe anxiety and OCD and took their life during this pandemic? Not because of the lock down rules but because there was a deadly virus spreading through the world? A simple mind would see this suicide and then think hey it's because of the lockdown rules because that simple mind needs to justify his/her simple and incorrect narrative. Prior to the pandemic suicides among people under the age of 25 were up 60% over a ten year period, were there any locks downs then? No? Some people say social media is the root cause for so many suicides among the younger generation. Perhaps that generation has more times on their hands, therefore more opportunity to get bullied online?

When I was in my early teens, two kids who were in my social circle killed themselves in a short period of time. One hung himself the other shot himself. I think we can both agree suicide comes from a person who is suffering from some sort of mental illness or mental distress. I do feel for those that are suffering from a mental illness and I pray they get the profession help they require before going down that road. It's not the locks downs that are causing suicides, its the lack of coping skills or mental illness that is driving this.

So Flu = Covid-19 in your opinion?

You now there are dozens of people who post here and can control their emotions. You are not one of them, You can't. Don't know why you have to belittle people because they don't agree with you. Sometimes you make some good points, too bad you have to be so condescending.

 

[Bluelines]

You now there are dozens of people who post here and can control their emotions. You are not one of them, You can't. Don't know why you have to belittle people because they don't agree with you. Sometimes you make some good points, too bad you have to be so condescending.

Text has no emotion, not sure why you think I can't control my emotion, are you projecting? Its called a debate, there are two opposing sides. I'm not being condescending at all, sometimes people live in their own echo chamber and refuse to look at data objectively. They want to see the world as they want it to be rather than actually seeing it as it is. Suicide is a multilayered complex issue, to draw a dotted straight line to the shutdowns as the only influencer in the up tick in suicides is stupid, simple and wrong. If you (not you directly) are going to profess to have all the answers and your opinion smells like a big pile of BS, you better be ready to explain/defend your position.