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Sensmileletsgo said:
There’s a decent chance that the vaccine will be “forced upon us.” Maybe not mandatory, but if you want to travel or go to public spaces, ect, you might need proof. People should prepare themselves for this possibility, and to be honest, I’m not totally against the idea.
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Mandatory vaccines for travel is not new. Before for yellow fever etc... people had to vaccinate themselves before going to other countries.

in the history of Canada we have never "forced" any vaccinations; and I don't expect it to be the case now.

I am going to take the vaccine when one is made available for my demographic - if people do not want to take it then they don't have to. France is a good example where majority of the population has decided not to take the vaccine; on the other hand in other countries people have been freely choosing to take the vaccine.

It is a crystal ball; impact of vaccine vs impact of covid (if you get it); in Canada you are free to roll the dice. It sucks that this happened in our lifetime; but it is what it is and we can't run away from it.
 
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Sensmileletsgo said:
There’s a decent chance that the vaccine will be “forced upon us.” Maybe not mandatory, but if you want to travel or go to public spaces, ect, you might need proof. People should prepare themselves for this possibility, and to be honest, I’m not totally against the idea.
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I agree
 
Sensmileletsgo said:
There’s a decent chance that the vaccine will be “forced upon us.” Maybe not mandatory, but if you want to travel or go to public spaces, ect, you might need proof. People should prepare themselves for this possibility, and to be honest, I’m not totally against the idea.
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If this becomes an annual exercise in terms of vaccination for different strains and/or waning immunity,

I think they will have the same type of policy that they have in schools. You need to be vaccinated unless you qualify for an exemption.

And it's quite likely other countries will require vaccination prior to entry.

Like you, I don't necessarily disagree with the premise.
 
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Pookie said:
If this becomes an annual exercise in terms of vaccination for different strains and/or waning immunity,

I think they will have the same type of policy that they have in schools. You need to be vaccinated unless you qualify for an exemption.

And it's quite likely other countries will require vaccination prior to entry.

Like you, I don't necessarily disagree with the premise.
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I wasn’t aware they had these policies in schools right now.
 
Sensmileletsgo said:
I wasn’t aware they had these policies in schools right now.
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To clarify, not for Covid yet.

For other diseases:
"Unless they have a valid exemption, children who attend primary or secondary school must be immunized against:
  • diphtheria
  • tetanus
  • polio
  • measles
  • mumps
  • rubella
  • meningitis (meningococcal disease)
  • whooping cough (pertussis)
  • chickenpox (varicella) – required for children born in 2010 or later"

These are the exemptions:

For medical reasons
You must fill out a Statement of Medical Exemption form that has been signed by a physician or nurse practitioner and submit it to your local public health unit. It will indicate the reason for the exemption, such as:
  • your child has a medical condition that prevents them from receiving the vaccine
  • there is evidence of your child’s immunity to the disease, making further immunization unnecessary
For conscience or religious belief
Starting September 1, 2017, you’ll need to:
  1. Go to your local public health unit to complete an education session that covers:
  • Basic information about immunization
  • Vaccine safety
  • Immunization and community health
  • Immunization law in Ontario
  • At the end of the session, you’ll receive a Vaccine Education Certificate signed and dated by your public health unit.
  1. Complete a Statement of Conscience or Religious Belief form and get it is signed by a commissioner for taking affidavits in Ontario.
  1. Make copies of your certificate and your signed Statement of Conscience or Religious Belief form and submit the originals to your local public health unit(they will tell you how). It is important that you keep your copy because the ministry and local public health units do not keep records of your exemption documents.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/vaccines-children-school​
 
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Pookie said:
To clarify, not for Covid yet.

For other diseases:
"Unless they have a valid exemption, children who attend primary or secondary school must be immunized against:
  • diphtheria
  • tetanus
  • polio
  • measles
  • mumps
  • rubella
  • meningitis (meningococcal disease)
  • whooping cough (pertussis)
  • chickenpox (varicella) – required for children born in 2010 or later"

These are the exemptions:

For medical reasons
You must fill out a Statement of Medical Exemption form that has been signed by a physician or nurse practitioner and submit it to your local public health unit. It will indicate the reason for the exemption, such as:
  • your child has a medical condition that prevents them from receiving the vaccine
  • there is evidence of your child’s immunity to the disease, making further immunization unnecessary
For conscience or religious belief
Starting September 1, 2017, you’ll need to:
  1. Go to your local public health unit to complete an education session that covers:
  • Basic information about immunization
  • Vaccine safety
  • Immunization and community health
  • Immunization law in Ontario
  • At the end of the session, you’ll receive a Vaccine Education Certificate signed and dated by your public health unit.
  1. Complete a Statement of Conscience or Religious Belief form and get it is signed by a commissioner for taking affidavits in Ontario.
  1. Make copies of your certificate and your signed Statement of Conscience or Religious Belief form and submit the originals to your local public health unit(they will tell you how). It is important that you keep your copy because the ministry and local public health units do not keep records of your exemption documents.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/vaccines-children-school​
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Thanks for sharing. That explains those distant memories I have of getting all those shots as a kid.
 
Pookie said:
And scars :)
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Man.. The vast majority of people agree with properly tested dna vaccinations.

RNA is different. Rushed. And without full testing... still unknown. That's why it needs to be free choice.. I don't get yearly flu shots personally.. but that's because I'm sick once a year.. if that.
 
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SlpLessInMuskoka18 said:
Man.. The vast majority of people agree with properly tested dna vaccinations.

RNA is different. Rushed. And without full testing... still unknown. That's why it needs to be free choice.. I don't get yearly flu shots personally.. but that's because I'm sick once a year.. if that.
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What do you mean by without full testing...?
 
Schools are remaining closed because of the spread of Covid. Because schools are closed the government is offering free child care to essential workers. How are these child care centers safer than the schools were?
 
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How come in nearly 10 months we haven't been able to roll out rapid tests and have them at shoppers/ect... If you look back at my earlier posts I was for lockdowns and vaccines, but my god the government cant somehow find a way for amazon warehouses, my work, schools to have rapid tests? So unless they figure out a better way to mass test Im not for more lockdowns since clearly they aren't using the time efficiently anyways.
 
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PromisedLand said:
In Canada, it is not being made mandatory. Trudeau basically said that they are hopoing to have enough doses to vaccinate the population for "those who wish to take it"
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they also said masks would not be mandatory
and that lockdowns wouldn't be necessary
and that there will be no curfews

the next step is to tell us that 75% of the population has refused... "so now we need to take tougher measures"


seems like you haven't been paying attention
 
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Who would be under curfew? If you're allowed to go out for essential business and everything else is closed, who is actually affected?
 
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Nineteen67 said:
Who would be under curfew? If you're allowed to go out for essential business and everything else is closed, who is actually affected?
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I’ve enjoyed a few nice dates in the city. Walking around, having some food. I guess that can’t happen past 8pm.
 
cbbb25 said:
How come in nearly 10 months we haven't been able to roll out rapid tests and have them at shoppers/ect... If you look back at my earlier posts I was for lockdowns and vaccines, but my god the government cant somehow find a way for amazon warehouses, my work, schools to have rapid tests? So unless they figure out a better way to mass test Im not for more lockdowns since clearly they aren't using the time efficiently anyways.
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This guy gets it. And don't forget, they spent hundreds of billions on things that haven't worked.
 
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Confucius said:
Schools are remaining closed because of the spread of Covid. Because schools are closed the government is offering free child care to essential workers. How are these child care centers safer than the schools were?
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they aren’t any safer. Ford is not decisive and trying to thread a political needle instead of taking a stand one way or another.

this is why we have an ongoing problem.

“stop visiting people... but I don’t want to fine people for visiting people.”

“Restaurants can stay open.... but don’t visit one, you’ll get Covid”

“Don’t have your family over for thanksgiving dinner.... but you can go to a restaurant.... but see above, dangerous places”

“we need to do everything we can to support small business.... but if you close as a result of a restriction that I impose, then I have to give you relief.... stay open, I support you but if you go under in a region that I don’t close down... I owe you nothing”

“oh hey general public... stop going to small businesses they are dangerous... but small business is our foundation”

“Buying olive oil at a mom and pop shop is dangerous.... but you can get your olive oil at Walmart... that’s ok.”
 
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cbbb25 said:
How come in nearly 10 months we haven't been able to roll out rapid tests and have them at shoppers/ect... If you look back at my earlier posts I was for lockdowns and vaccines, but my god the government cant somehow find a way for amazon warehouses, my work, schools to have rapid tests? So unless they figure out a better way to mass test Im not for more lockdowns since clearly they aren't using the time efficiently anyways.
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Are you talking about the personal test? My clinics have been using the rapid tests in Al and TN since July.
 
Pookie said:
they aren’t any safer. Ford is not decisive and trying to thread a political needle instead of taking a stand one way or another.

this is why we have an ongoing problem.

“stop visiting people... but I don’t want to fine people for visiting people.”

“Restaurants can stay open.... but don’t visit one, you’ll get Covid”

“Don’t have your family over for thanksgiving dinner.... but you can go to a restaurant.... but see above, dangerous places”

“we need to do everything we can to support small business.... but if you close as a result of a restriction that I impose, then I have to give you relief.... stay open, I support you but if you go under in a region that I don’t close down... I owe you nothing”

“oh hey general public... stop going to small businesses they are dangerous... but small business is our foundation”

“Buying olive oil at a mom and pop shop is dangerous.... but you can get your olive oil at Walmart... that’s ok.”
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so you know how curfew is going to look eh... honour system
 
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