Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XI

[PromisedLand]

cases are exploding because the uk strain is already here and people need to work

cases are exploding because majority of the population did not adhere to public health guidelines during the holidays.

 

[Sens]

It's called, Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit.

that’s two weeks and many people used it up in September when their kids needed to be tested for runny noses

 

[Scion]

It seems there is a hard time grasping the fact that since the dawn of time any rule breakers only ruined it for themselves or select few. COVID spreads and doesn't care whether you are a rule breaker or not; you just need one moron ruining it for your entire family/friend circle.

The "most vulnerable" depends on how you are defining who is vulnerable. If death is defined by you as the only factor that means "vulnerable" then you need to read up on more contextual and scientific studies.

Govt and police can't do F all if people dont take responsibility; which as cases continue to rise is a good signal that most people don't give a flying F. There is no reason for cases to increase in such an unprecedented numbers if people were following health guidelines.

You are complaining as if government was "forcing" curfews under normal circumstances; they have a reason they are doing it and it is called COVID-19. If there was no virus there wouldn't be any curfews or the so called as you put it "illegal mandates".

You crying on this board isn't going to help; you know what is going to help? If you yell at folks (including your neighbours) for not following guidelines. I know you wouldn't; I know I don't. It is very thin line in following guidelines and also maintaining relationships with otherwise decent people who are just breaking the health guidelines.

We wouldn't be in lockdown, if everyone, followed guidelines - they didn't and here we are.

And there would never be war or crime if every citizen was law abiding and grew up in fair and equal circumstances. This is not the world we live in so I'm not sure what point you are attempting to make. Moreover, not everyone who disagrees with you is a selfish moron, though I'm sure it helps you justify your opinion to conceive of it that way.

 

[Sens]

cases are exploding because majority of the population did not adhere to public health guidelines during the holidays.

If that’s true... than the politicians need to do what The majority want

 

[PromisedLand]

Florida doctor dies 2 weeks after vaccine

You can't force people to take an RNA vaccination.. there will always be a % of people that simply can't take it.

7 million + people in the US have been vaccinated; you are posting that one person died and laying a claim that do not get vaccine. THats your justification? okay then.....

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

that’s two weeks and many people used it up in September when their kids needed to be tested for runny noses

Im saying you can't give certain sectors more time off because of how few people there are protecting our Country.... and doing those shitty jobs.

 

[Sens]

Im saying you can't give certain sectors more time off because of how few people there are protecting our Country.... and doing those shitty jobs.

Then don’t expect to see cases drop

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

7 million + people in the US have been vaccinated; you are posting that one person died and laying a claim that do not get vaccine. THats your justification? okay then.....

So you give up free choice as a person?

 

[PromisedLand]

If that’s true... than the politicians need to do what The majority want

next time election comes then vote against the government; this isn't a movie. or ask majority to call an election and elect the govt that will do whatever people want including: drink + drive; lie and cheat on taxes etc...

good luck!

 

[PromisedLand]

And there would never be war or crime if every citizen was law abiding and grew up in fair and equal circumstances. This is not the world we live in so I'm not sure what point you are attempting to make. Moreover, not everyone who disagrees with you is a selfish moron, though I'm sure it helps you justify your opinion to conceive of it that way.

You are missing the point here. If someone kicks your ass and robs you; only you are impacted; not the people you come into contact thereafter.

COVID doesn't work that way

 

[Scion]

7 million + people in the US have been vaccinated; you are posting that one person died and laying a claim that do not get vaccine. THats your justification? okay then.....

No, his contention is that it should not be made mandatory because there will always be a segment of people that have an adverse reaction to any medication. It doesn't matter what the medication is, there are people who have severely negative responses to tylenol...

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

this is one of the dumbest arguments I've seen. Big Box warehouses were already taking over even before the pandemic; pandemic has just fastened that trajectory.

This is kind of like saying people in long term care facilities were already on their way out before the pandemic; pandemic has just fastened the trajectory.

His argument is not one of the dumbest things ever. It’s a valid point.

 

[Sens]

next time election comes then vote against the government; this isn't a movie. or ask majority to call an election and elect the govt that will do whatever people want including: drink + drive; lie and cheat on taxes etc...

good luck!

i don’t think the majority view Covid and drinking + driving on the same level...

 

[PromisedLand]

So you give up free choice as a person?

I am not STUPID enough to not take learned people's advice and instead cook up my own medical opinion without having any background in medical science.

so in terms of free choice; I am freely choosing to act upon the advice of medical experts who have spent years of their life in the medical field; for the same reason I do not go to my accountant for a dental appointment; and do not ask my dentist to do my taxes.

 

[Crazy Monkey]

It goes both ways, the impact to the economy also has an impact on mortality. It's not as simple as many of you are attempting to make it seem.

There is a reason that this debate has created so much division and debate. And contrary to what both sides think it is not because the other side is selfish or brainwashed.

It's a fair comment

The impact of the economy on mortality is so hard to measure. I genuinely wonder what percentage of people are so poorly off right now that it will drive them to death. I'm not talking about making less money this year than in previous years, I'm talking about being pushed into poverty even with the help of Cerbs

You would think that some of this would be reversible in time. The same luxury of time isn't there for COVID related mortality

There are just so many counterargument that can be made:

Is it right to abandon those at greatest risk for covid (who built this country's economy over the decades) to preserve the current state of the economy?

How about the indirect consequences/mortality we will see with rising COVID numbers? Hospital resources being stretched so thin that people aren't getting surgeries or significant delays in testing/screening for cancer and heart disease

People's thoughts?

 

[PromisedLand]

No, his contention is that it should not be made mandatory because there will always be a segment of people that have an adverse reaction to any medication. It doesn't matter what the medication is, there are people who have severely negative responses to tylenol...

In Canada, it is not being made mandatory. Trudeau basically said that they are hopoing to have enough doses to vaccinate the population for "those who wish to take it"

 

[Scion]

You are missing the point here. If someone kicks your ass and robs you; only you are impacted; not the people you come into contact thereafter.

COVID doesn't work that way

Actually it is you that has missed the point. The things that you are asking for are not possible which is why this is a global pandemic.

Your analogy is stupid too, everyone has been impacted at one time or another by the negative realities of human nature.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

It's called, Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit.

I wonder if this becomes a permanent thing in some sort of form after the pandemic.

 

[PromisedLand]

This is kind of like saying people in long term care facilities were already on their way out before the pandemic; pandemic has just fastened the trajectory.

His argument is not one of the dumbest things ever. It’s a valid point.

this is pathetic.

people choose to shop at amazon instead of going to stores even before the pandemic. long term care folks do not "choose" to die; that is a fact of life as is the fact that when efficient business becomes available old style businesses will go away

 

[Brown Dog]

I don't want the vaccine... but I also don't want covid. Tough decision if you have a job that exposes you to covid frequently.

Vaccine, for sure.

 

[PromisedLand]

Actually it is you that has missed the point. The things that you are asking for are not possible which is why this is a global pandemic.

Your analogy is stupid too, everyone has been impacted at one time or another by the negative realities of human nature.

I think you and I have very different ideas of what is really STUPID

 

[Scion]

It's a fair comment

The impact of the economy on mortality is so hard to measure. I genuinely wonder what percentage of people are so poorly off right now that it will drive them to death. I'm not talking about making less money this year than in previous years, I'm talking about being pushed into poverty even with the help of Cerbs

You would think that some of this would be reversible in time. The same luxury of time isn't there for COVID related mortality

There are just so many counterargument that can be made:

Is it right to abandon those at greatest risk for covid (who built this country's economy over the decades) to preserve the current state of the economy?

How about the indirect consequences/mortality we will see with rising COVID numbers? Hospital resources being stretched so thin that people aren't getting surgeries or significant delays in testing/screening for cancer and heart disease

People's thoughts?

These are all fair points and I dont disagree with you. I personally believe a balanced approach whereby all businesses were allowed to stay open with strict measures was the best approach. Knowing full well that a large segment of the population was never going to fully comply with any strict lockdown.

There would still be deaths and cases rising as is the case with any measure until a vaccine is administered to 60-70% of the population. But I think it would be comparable to what we are seeing now with less of a hit to the economy. Of course this is all theoretical and impossible to prove so I understand those that may disagree or be skeptical.

 

[Scion]

In Canada, it is not being made mandatory. Trudeau basically said that they are hopoing to have enough doses to vaccinate the population for "those who wish to take it"

The post you bashed was based on a hypothetical.

 

[PromisedLand]

The post you bashed was based on a hypothetical.

things are hypothetical when it comes to covid. it is a brand new virus we don't know what it does completely yet. they are still studying. the only long term impact will be known 10 to 15 years down the road.

the options are you risk it and hopefully nothing happens; and if it does then you are stuck with it for the rest of your life.

I am a strong believer in precaution is better than cure. doctors all over ontario are saying the strong actions are required and govt obliged.

Doctors in ontario were asking for lockdowns in as early as october 2020; but ford didn't want to do it but then he relented.

there are lessons to be learned from other countries. In Canada we have about 40% of population with some underlying health condition; and on top of that - even healthy folks get badly impacted by covid. if hospitals get overrun what do you do then? if they had to do triage like they did in itally and now in california then we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

they can build new hospital beds but they cannot create new doctors and nurses overnight; we don't have enough medical resources in Canada; once you cant get enough medical care the death rates will spike.

Medical staff is already overworked. We Canadians need to be better; we already were living life large having one of the worst debt/income ratios in the world; we kind of brought it on ourselves.

Either we wake up and be better or everyone in the society is going to bear the consequences. it is just that simple

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

The post you bashed was based on a hypothetical.

There’s a decent chance that the vaccine will be “forced upon us.” Maybe not mandatory, but if you want to travel or go to public spaces, ect, you might need proof. People should prepare themselves for this possibility, and to be honest, I’m not totally against the idea.