Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

[The Hanging Jowl]

That's right did you know Brampton ambulances are taking Brampton's sick to Halton hospitals for past few days .... it is only a short time before your health care people and then people in that northern area start to get big numbers of cases ... i mean like half of Brampton either had it or has it ... your chances of getting it up there are ridiculously high

No, I didn't know that. Thanks.

 

[justashadowof]

Mandating and physically forcing are very very different things.

They certainly are. I'm just quoting you from the future.

 

[justashadowof]

Funny thing of the masks is that they aren't really new.

Much less so here, but for years and year and years I've seen masks worn around the world.

I've mentioned it before, but I refuse to shake hands when I have a cold. I tell the other person I have a cold and don't want to share ... I don't think anyone has ever been offended, although I have been thanked.

"It was always possible that we wouldn't be allowed touch another human being in public ever again."

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I haven't followed this thread, but I see talk of immunity passports.

I'm not entirely sure what an immunity passport is, but "International Certificates of Vaccination" books were issued by Health and Welfare Canada in the past, so it isn't a new concept. These books recorded what vaccinations you got and were signed by the doctors that administered the vaccination.

They were required for Canadians traveling to various international destinations (countries). I still have mine (its yellow) from travel that I did in the mid 1970s (yes, I'm old).

I don't recall any fuss about them (probably because they protected you and served a useful purpose), just that they were required for international travel. Mea culpa if this thread is about something else.

 

[Pink Mist]

Where are you getting this? I notice you included where I live (Halton) but not where you live (Ottawa). Interesting because there's been way more negative covid news out of your region than mine. Pretty easy to shut someone else down.

Ottawa has had very few cases since they began restrictions in October

 

[Pink Mist]

I haven't followed this thread, but I see talk of immunity passports.

I'm not entirely sure what an immunity passport is, but "International Certificates of Vaccination" books were issued by Health and Welfare Canada in the past, so it isn't a new concept. These books recorded what vaccinations you got and were signed by the doctors that administered the vaccination.

They were required for Canadians traveling to various international destinations (countries). I still have mine (its yellow) from travel that I did in the mid 1970s (yes, I'm old).

I don't recall any fuss about them (probably because they protected you and served a useful purpose), just that they were required for international travel. Mea culpa if this thread is about something else.

They still exist, you need them to travel to and from some counties that have prevalence of Yellow Fever

 

[HoweHullOrr]

They still exist, you need them to travel to and from some counties that have preference "prevalence" of Yellow Fever

Thanks. Not surprised.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Where are you getting this? I notice you included where I live (Halton) but not where you live (Ottawa). Interesting because there's been way more negative covid news out of your region than mine. Pretty easy to shut someone else down.

45 cases today in Ottawa, 31 the day before, seems to be hovering around there.

 

[cbbb25]

Ya dude you know so much about me. I love going around screaming at grocery store clerks.

wasn't implying you, but I was saying the anti-mask movement in general.

 

[Gabriel426]

Imagine COVID is something that people want. Then the Country with the first case will be claiming they got COVID instead of denying it and spreading info about they are not the first; medical professionals will actually have a chance to study patient zero and create a vaccine that is safe and more effective.

 

[ULF_55]

Ottawa has had very few cases since they began restrictions in October

We were talking about that last week IIRC.

Ottawa area, population of around 1.3 million had about the same daily counts as Okotoks, population 29 thousand.

'Cause it has been a free-for-all here.

 

[Pink Mist]

We were talking about that last week IIRC.

Ottawa area, population of around 1.3 million had about the same daily counts as Okotoks, population 29 thousand.

'Cause it has been a free-for-all here.

Yeah, Ottawa has actually been a good case study in the success of restrictions. They were neck and neck with Toronto and Peel region for cases back in October and have really been able to reduce cases since restrictions were put in place.

Probably helps that it's a government town full of people who love rules

 

[ULF_55]

"It was always possible that we wouldn't be allowed touch another human being in public ever again."

Well, it isn't like we can answer the phone now either.

Idiots with devices are ruining communications.

I'd suggest no one touch another person without permission and perhaps a notary public.

I think this weekend is going to be a spreader event weekend as the last one where you can kind of mingle outside your own home for a few weeks in Alberta.

I'll have to start taking advantage of seniors' hour again.

 

[gnr25]

Where are you getting this? I notice you included where I live (Halton) but not where you live (Ottawa). Interesting because there's been way more negative covid news out of your region than mine. Pretty easy to shut someone else down.

Look at the CTV tracker, click on additional Ontario information.
I looked at active cases per 100k people.
Being near 100 is bad. Halton is 94.
Even Eastern Ontario and London are in the 80s.
Ottawa is 16th worst right now, with like 39.5. In early October we were the worst in the province. We were the only place where the October restrictions worked.

 

[PromisedLand]

You don't find it a little bit odd that India, Africa...etc have all handled covid better than the States?

Did you even know what India did? If we did shit like that here people would lose their minds "me freedom" blah blah blah

 

[PromisedLand]

Ottawa has had very few cases since they began restrictions in October

Ottawa is not comparable to Toronto though; high education rates; mostly white collar jobs - also people in Ottawa are respectable of their fellow citizens (mostly); although they are freakin' uptight; Toronto folk are more friendlier

 

[Pink Mist]

Ottawa is not comparable to Toronto though; high education rates; mostly white collar jobs - also people in Ottawa are respectable of their fellow citizens (mostly); although they are freakin' uptight; Toronto folk are more friendlier

Agreed completely on all fronts there as someone who used to live in Ottawa. City full of uptight rule followers.

 

[nsleaf]

"Covid projections are fear mongering" - Could kill more than 350,000

"We are going to destroy our economy and reach unpayable debt levels" - Canada has reached 1 trillion in debt with no end in sight. 10s of thousands of businesses destroyed and counting.

"Greatest wealth transfer in history" - Amazon, Costco, Walmart record profits.

"Quarantine facilities"

"The great (global) reset"

"Mandatory vaccines/ immunization passports"

Snitch lines (reporting neighbors), tracking apps all predicted as well.

These are off the top of my head. They were all deemed conspiracies. Even "it's not going to be just 2 weeks" was considered conspiracy talk when this all began. We are now over 9 months in (due to non-compliant super spreaders of course).

Thanks, I would laugh but that would not be appropriate, given the subject, crazy begets crazy.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

That question was asked and they said the Pfizer vaccine would cover you for 8-10 years. You may not be at the front of the line but it advised to take it eventually.

There may be a booster required sometime down the road in that 8-10 time frame.

I heard that it needs to be yearly....I hope you're right and I am wrong...but the way these greedy bastards work...It would not shock me that its a 2x a year booster shot that needs to be given.

It doesn't really matter anyways...because in the next 5yrs there are going to be tons of bird flu scares and swine flu scares...all they have to do is warn people about the lockdowns of 2020 to get them to comply with whatever they want you to do.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Does Australia share border with a country like the USA where 100K transport trucks go between monthly.. like Ontario does?

How do these pro Australia plan to solve the biggest issue for Ontario

just don’t allow transport trucks in?
Hahahaha

I don't care as much about the trucks as I do the airports...why in the world is someone coming to canada right now? Are these people that were stranded? I don't get it..

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Yes they were. Any skepticism going against the covid narrative have all been deemed conspiracies. It is still happening. As for your second line I guess we'll just have to wait and see. But even if it's proven to be true, you'll claim it as misinformation.

FFS...they are still calling people who said this shit was coming conspiracy theorists even now....somewhere Alex Jones is laughing his fat ass off..."I told you the globalists were going to get ya"

 

[nsleaf]

"Conspiracy" is yet another bad faith smear/dismissal word. The term "conspiracy theorist" is used like there is no such thing as real conspiracies which is patently false. For example, the accepted narrative about 9/11 was a conspiracy between a dozen or so people with no national ties.

I get it, I used to be a full-fledged credulity merchant as well. Surely, I thought there really isn't a meeting at some secret camp in Northern California of the most powerful people in the world where they do a mock sacrifice to a pagan god, that's completely crazy. Turns out it's undeniably true: google Bohemian Grove. Surely, there wasn't some island where the world's elite including royalty and presidents were flown to canoodle with underage individuals. Surely, those rumours I heard about Bill Cosby from peripheral entertainment people in the 1980's (yes it was that long ago) were just smears of bigots (I thought), it would have required a conspiracy of hundreds of people to cover all of that up. Surely, the caricature of the Hollywood casting couch was just something bitter failed actors and actresses spread, imagine how many people it takes to cover that up. Surely, the church of my youth wouldn't conspire to hide serial sexual abuse worldwide, that's simply hateful smears.

Conspiracy and conspiracy theorist are two different things, not justashadowof, but without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[4thline]

FFS...they are still calling people who said this shit was coming conspiracy theorists even now....somewhere Alex Jones is laughing his fat ass off..."I told you the globalists were going to get ya"

I think the most accurate prediction and warning against these events came from Bill Gates, but he's apparently the evil mastermind.

And Alex Jones is definitely laughing, that he was able make millions off of the gullible with his schtick.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

"Conspiracy" is yet another bad faith smear/dismissal word. The term "conspiracy theorist" is used like there is no such thing as real conspiracies which is patently false. For example, the accepted narrative about 9/11 was a conspiracy between a dozen or so people with no national ties.

I get it, I used to be a full-fledged credulity merchant as well. Surely, I thought there really isn't a meeting at some secret camp in Northern California of the most powerful people in the world where they do a mock sacrifice to a pagan god, that's completely crazy. Turns out it's undeniably true: google Bohemian Grove. Surely, there wasn't some island where the world's elite including royalty and presidents were flown to canoodle with underage individuals. Surely, those rumours I heard about Bill Cosby from peripheral entertainment people in the 1980's (yes it was that long ago) were just smears of bigots (I thought), it would have required a conspiracy of hundreds of people to cover all of that up. Surely, the caricature of the Hollywood casting couch was just something bitter failed actors and actresses spread, imagine how many people it takes to cover that up. Surely, the church of my youth wouldn't conspire to hide serial sexual abuse worldwide, that's simply hateful smears.

Just to add a point...when they call people Theorists...they actually mean they have something that is considered to be valid ...they should be called hypothesists because that would mean its just an idea and not proven. Theories are proven or accepted as fact...the theory of relativity for example. It doesn't mean it can't be replaced at some point with a better theory..it just means as of today...we all say its the best way to describe something happening. So, when they call them conspiracy theorists...they are actually validating their claims in a way...interesting note...the CIA came up with the term in the 1960's to throw cold water on people getting too close to some of the shit they were doing in secret.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Where are you getting this? I notice you included where I live (Halton) but not where you live (Ottawa). Interesting because there's been way more negative covid news out of your region than mine. Pretty easy to shut someone else down.

The only reason I would agree with him on locking down all of the regions at one time is the squirt effect. Most of the people that were in a lockdown region just shopped in the other regions...thereby making a lot of people shop in just a few malls...that was stupid to do. If they want to keep Thunder Bay open and close the GTA...thats fine with me...if someone wants to drive that many hours to go to a mall..have at it..but this stupidity of locking down regions bordering open ones is too much.

Once again we are doing these half measures and wondering why it doesn't work...so we blame the superspreaders or some other nonsense...not their way of attacking the problem. Why is York region being shut down with a case load of 250/day when Toronto still has 500 a day and has been in lockdown for a while? its just so tiresome....