Confirmed with Link: Copp + 6th to NYR for 1st + 2nd + barron +5th

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'll bet Copp outscores Scheifele next season. What with our new coach getting 55 to focus on his defensive play, and all.

I'll take that bet.
Could be close though.

 

[Lays]

There is a joke somewhere in there about a 'Cop' becoming a star in NY where NYPD Blue took place and starred one of the biggest Copp detractors Andy @sipowicz .

I don't think Copp is what he is showing right now... that is probably some combination of Panarin, the adrenaline boost of a new team and the allure of the upcoming payday, but now it's pretty apparent that the Jets made the wrong choice between him and Lowry. In hindsight they should have given Copp Lowry's money but easy to say in hindsight, even Murat at that time wanted the Jets to sign Lowry over Copp if they had to choose.

Rangers fan coming in, Copp is outproducing Panarin in the playoffs on the same line, and without PP1 time. Copp has 10 points in 11 games, Panarin only has 8, also in 11 games

 

[Jack7222]

Rangers fan coming in, Copp is outproducing Panarin in the playoffs on the same line, and without PP1 time. Copp has 10 points in 11 games, Panarin only has 8, also in 11 games

Interested to hear your assessment of his play. Always thought he wasn't a flashy player at all, a bit workmanlike but he's effective.

 

[Aries56]

Rangers fan coming in, Copp is outproducing Panarin in the playoffs on the same line, and without PP1 time. Copp has 10 points in 11 games, Panarin only has 8, also in 11 games

I'm glad he's doing well. He's going to absolutely cash in on his play this off season.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If he sticks on Panarin's line I could see him putting up ~a PPG for a season.

He's up to 27 games with NYR now, a third of a season, and he has 28 pts.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There is a joke somewhere in there about a 'Cop' becoming a star in NY where NYPD Blue took place and starred one of the biggest Copp detractors Andy @sipowicz .

I don't think Copp is what he is showing right now... that is probably some combination of Panarin, the adrenaline boost of a new team and the allure of the upcoming payday, but now it's pretty apparent that the Jets made the wrong choice between him and Lowry. In hindsight they should have given Copp Lowry's money but easy to say in hindsight, even Murat at that time wanted the Jets to sign Lowry over Copp if they had to choose.

That shouldn't have been the way it was evaluated.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Rangers fan coming in, Copp is outproducing Panarin in the playoffs on the same line, and without PP1 time. Copp has 10 points in 11 games, Panarin only has 8, also in 11 games

It's great to see that he is performing so well and not just a by-product of Panarin, which would be the assumption.

 

[Lays]

Interested to hear your assessment of his play. Always thought he wasn't a flashy player at all, a bit workmanlike but he's effective.

He’s definitely not flashy. Almost the exact opposite. Smart player always in the right spots

I'm glad he's doing well. He's going to absolutely cash in on his play this off season.

I’ll be happy if we can lock him up to a Danault contract

 

[Huffer]

There is a joke somewhere in there about a 'Cop' becoming a star in NY where NYPD Blue took place and starred one of the biggest Copp detractors Andy @sipowicz .

I don't think Copp is what he is showing right now... that is probably some combination of Panarin, the adrenaline boost of a new team and the allure of the upcoming payday, but now it's pretty apparent that the Jets made the wrong choice between him and Lowry. In hindsight they should have given Copp Lowry's money but easy to say in hindsight, even Murat at that time wanted the Jets to sign Lowry over Copp if they had to choose.

I think they probably could have had both. Lowry and Copp's contacts didn't come up at the same time. The biggest miss IMO (in hindsight) was the Jets taking Copp to arbitration in 2019. At that point Lowry was on a 3 year deal making 2.9. Copp had just had 25 points in 69 games (on the 3rd line with Lowry), and the Jets also had to give raises to Connor and Laine (and not sure who else).

If you could go back and give Copp a 5 or 6 year deal at that point, it probably wouldn't have been that much more than the 2.9 Lowry was making (say somewhere near 4?), but they'd also likely have needed to move a different body to make it work (which in hindsight looks like it might have been a good idea). You would also need the foresight to see that Copp could produce more in a top 6 role (or give him some opportunity there before his contract ran out).

 

[Heldig]

I think they probably could have had both. Lowry and Copp's contacts didn't come up at the same time. The biggest miss IMO (in hindsight) was the Jets taking Copp to arbitration in 2019. At that point Lowry was on a 3 year deal making 2.9. Copp had just had 25 points in 69 games (on the 3rd line with Lowry), and the Jets also had to give raises to Connor and Laine (and not sure who else).

If you could go back and give Copp a 5 or 6 year deal at that point, it probably wouldn't have been that much more than the 2.9 Lowry was making (say somewhere near 4?), but they'd also likely have needed to move a different body to make it work (which in hindsight looks like it might have been a good idea).

I think the mistake is not dealing with Scheifele (if in fact he is the problem). Knowing now that 55 is likely being dealt, having Copp signed long term would be a nice back up plan.

 

[Huffer]

I think the mistake is not dealing with Scheifele (if in fact he is the problem). Knowing now that 55 is likely being dealt, having Copp signed long term would be a nice back up plan.

True, if they were fully aware of a problem in 2019 it would have been good to get ahead of it for sure.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Trade Scheifele for a haul of futures or 1RD.
Sign Copp.
Unload Schmidt.
Profit?

 

[DRW204]

Trade Scheifele for a haul of futures or 1RD.
Sign Copp.
Unload Schmidt.
Profit?

Your top 9 cs are dubois, copp and Lowry then. I don't think that's good enough. Imo every one is playing perhaps a step above what they should in the depth chart. Copp might be ok as a 2c. But I'd want are far better offensive player than dubois as 1c.

 

[scarbrow21]

Your top 9 cs are dubois, copp and Lowry then. I don't think that's good enough. Imo every one is playing perhaps a step above what they should in the depth chart. Copp might be ok as a 2c. But I'd want are far better offensive player than dubois as 1c.

If there's a year to be "developing" (bad) this is a prime year to do that. Throw Perfetti at 3C the whole year to get reps, play young guys throughout the line up and if it works, great if not it's good for our future plus the best part
....a shot at Bedard

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Your top 9 cs are dubois, copp and Lowry then. I don't think that's good enough. Imo every one is playing perhaps a step above what they should in the depth chart. Copp might be ok as a 2c. But I'd want are far better offensive player than dubois as 1c.

My C lineup would be Dubois/Copp/Perfetti/Lowry, which gives a lot of versatility (in addition to Stastny, and likely Gus). I think Copp is happy as long as he's cemented in the top 6. He's great at PK and good on PP, so he will get the minutes regardless. Find a combination that works and run with it, I bet we do better than we did last year.

 

[DRW204]

If there's a year to be "developing" (bad) this is a prime year to do that. Throw Perfetti at 3C the whole year to get reps, play young guys throughout the line up and if it works, great if not it's good for our future plus the best part
....a shot at Bedard

Ideally id have perfetti at 3c. We'll have to see what the new coach thinks or if the org actually plays him at C. It looks like there's a top-6 wing spot up for grabs right now which should probably be perfetti.

If Lowry is healthy I don't think this org will veer of him at 3c atleast they haven't in the past. Again, new coach, so it could change but 0 guarantee. And if it does then you're left with a 3.5m 4c.

 

[Heldig]

Your top 9 cs are dubois, copp and Lowry then. I don't think that's good enough. Imo every one is playing perhaps a step above what they should in the depth chart. Copp might be ok as a 2c. But I'd want are far better offensive player than dubois as 1c.

True, but they are surrounded by high quality wingers. Plus, the return that a Scheifele trade would garner. And Perfetti may grow into that role.

A top 9 of say:

Connor - Dubois - Perfetti
Ehlers - Copp - Konecny
Barron - Lowry - Wheeler

 

[DRW204]

My C lineup would be Dubois/Copp/Perfetti/Lowry, which gives a lot of versatility (in addition to Stastny, and likely Gus). I think Copp is happy as long as he's cemented in the top 6. He's great at PK and good on PP, so he will get the minutes regardless. Find a combination that works and run with it, I bet we do better than we did last year.

My C lineup would be Dubois/Copp/Perfetti/Lowry, which gives a lot of versatility (in addition to Stastny, and likely Gus). I think Copp is happy as long as he's cemented in the top 6. He's great at PK and good on PP, so he will get the minutes regardless. Find a combination that works and run with it, I bet we do better than we did last year.

I don't disagree with your ideal of perfetti at 3c and Lowry 4c. Mentioned it above. Just have seen 0 inclination of this org going that route. It could change for sure, but I'm not holding my breath.
Still think that top 6 C would be one of the weaker ones of PO bound teams.
PLD probably needs to be putting up 80-90 pts, or become a far better defensive player if Copp is at 2c. Copp in the top 6 has generally been about a 50ish pt player (as a wing) and that's with great linemates like Ehlers and Stastny.

 

[GNP]

Need Copp to play at least 14 games (he has played 11) and NYR to beat Car for the NYR pick to be 100% guaranteed. One of the conditions was Copp to play 50% of games. If Copp were to get injured in next 2 games and the Rangers play two more 7-game series… Jets wouldn’t get the 1st round pick. That scenario is incredibly unlikely… but just clarifying.

Interesting post, and good to know that, as I didn't know Copp had to play a certain amount of games. It's looking like he'll play them but the Rangers are still going to have to knock out Carolina, and I'd say there's a 50 - 50 chance. Be nice to have that extra 1st round pick.

 

[kylbaz]

Rangers fan coming in, Copp is outproducing Panarin in the playoffs on the same line, and without PP1 time. Copp has 10 points in 11 games, Panarin only has 8, also in 11 games

Some GM is going to greatly regret their up coming contract.

 

[Lays]

Some GM is going to greatly regret their up coming contract.

For Ryan Strome, yes. For Andrew Copp? Definitely not. Like I said earlier I hope NYR is able to re-sign him to a Danault contract

 

[kylbaz]

For Ryan Strome, yes. For Andrew Copp? Definitely not. Like I said earlier I hope NYR is able to re-sign him to a Danault contract

That would not be terrible term and value wise. Probably most I'd go. I figure someone will pay quite a bit more. I doubt he produces anything close to what he is now though.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Copp should sign with Columbus and form a line with Laine and Roslovic. Call them the CLR Line. No rust on them boys!

Hey, not the worst name. We had a line named after a friggin' sales tax, fer cryin' out loud.

 

[Jetsetter]

Rangers win!!! One more win and we move up big time and into the 1 st round.

 

[drumzan]

Rangers win!!! One more win and we move up big time and into the 1 st round.

Yes it would be guaranteed if NYR beats Car. Assuming Copp plays in game 7, he will have played 14 games. If he gets benched/injured after that game… won’t matter. He’d already play 14 games. Max is 28 in playoffs. 14/28 = at least 50% of playoff games.