Confirmed with Link: Copp + 6th to NYR for 1st + 2nd + barron +5th

[Jets 31]

Rangers fan here who’s been following Morgan Barron since his Cornell days. (He’s even my pfp)

I am a little annoyed we gave him up in addition to 2 2nd round picks. We haven’t gave him a legit chance. As a rookie in the AHL he played as Hartford’s 1C and went PPG. Has a good all around game and is a solid skater. He became well liked pretty quickly in the locker room and I think can be a leader. His shot is his best attribute. I would’ve preferred to move Chytil over him. Barron could be a 3C staple for a team

Hopefully Copp works out for you and Barron becomes a very good 2nd line center for us.

 

[jiho]

Rangers fan here. None of us think Morgan Barron got a fair shake. He was great in the AHL and played well in limited call ups. He’s a big body, excellent along the boards, versatile for C/W, and NHL ready. Could easily turn into a player like Copp.

That will not happen here....he will get his 4 minutes a game

 

[The Blue Baron]

3 Barons, man this could be confusing!

 

[sipowicz]

Good luck Copper!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

So ..... by my cypherin' we are:
Down a 6th, Copp, Smith, Beaulieu
Up 2 seconds, Sanford, Appleton, Barron (M), Little's LTIR gone, Beaulieu gone


Neither Copp nor Smith was going to sign with us for next year.
I'm ignoring the 7th for Booboo. Highly unlikely conditions.
We paid a 4th for Apples and got a 4th for Smith. We paid a 5th for Sanford and got a 5th for Copp. So those don't figure in the net change.

Didn't exactly kill it, but not bad I'd say.
Might look a little better with a 2nd and a 3rd for Stastny. Since he apparently wasn't even shopped, I'm going to assume there is a plan to bring him back next year. That shouldn't make a difference, but maybe it does. So I am ignoring it here.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Not surprised, they've flown by on goaltending all year. With even average goaltending they're barely a wild card team. That could improve in the next 20ish games but if they get to the 3rd round it's all on Shesterkin.

Yes - but if that goaltending continues they will be tough to beat.

 

[gojetsgo]

You'd hope so. Our drafting hasn't been good in the 2nd round.

well that could easily change if samberg, gustafsson and chibrikov turn out

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It’s a good return, but our last 5 years of drafting haven’t netted much. Maybe that’s on Chevy and our scouts. Maybe it’s on Paul Maurice and coaches not developing/ playing them. I just know we need to change something.

I don't think this is enough to go into next season.

Not sure how much any coaching change will accomplish.

After a raise for PLD, the cap will still be tight. 16 mil with 14 players. 8 mil for PLD leaves 8 mil for 8 more players. Certainly doable, but not much maneuvring room.

 

[cup67]

Gotta be a 1st+ if Colorado traded a 2nd and Barron for Lehkonen. They realized they were out. The hang-up was probably a contract extension between Overhardt and the franchise.

Hey what did the Peg get for Copp ?

 

[cup67]

Idle speculation, probably a second and something else.

I think they got a 1st

 

[Jet]

Reasonable return at this stage IMO, but:

Copp was speculated to return a 1st rd pick, he got two 2nd rd picks and a bottom 6 or 4th line prospect. One of those 2nd converts to a 1st rd pick if the Rangers get to the 3rd rd.

If the rangers don't make the 3rd rd and/or Barron doesn't make the bottom six and sticks........Jets did slightly/hair below average here IMO. I'm just luke warm on this return, not terrible but I'm a bit doubtful it turns into a good return........more just OK in my eyes.

I still think injury concerns hurt his value. I think the conditional 1st is the best Chevy could have gotten.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Hey what did the Peg get for Copp ?

A conditional first, a second, a prospect, and an upgraded late-round pick. Hardly the 3rd rounder you suggested.

 

[cup67]

Win - Andrew Copp 50%retained
Tor- 3rd 2022 , +

So what did Copp end up getting back for Winnipeg?

 

[cup67]

A conditional first, a second, a prospect, and an upgraded late-round pick. Hardly the 3rd rounder you suggested.

Good deal for Winnipeg

 

[10Ducky10]

Good deal for Winnipeg

Too bad we can't say the same about the Giordano deal!!!

 

[Guardian17]

 

[Jets 31]

So ..... by my cypherin' we are:
Down a 6th, Copp, Smith, Beaulieu
Up 2 seconds, Sanford, Appleton, Barron (M), Little's LTIR gone, Beaulieu gone


Neither Copp nor Smith was going to sign with us for next year.
I'm ignoring the 7th for Booboo. Highly unlikely conditions.
We paid a 4th for Apples and got a 4th for Smith. We paid a 5th for Sanford and got a 5th for Copp. So those don't figure in the net change.

Didn't exactly kill it, but not bad I'd say.
Might look a little better with a 2nd and a 3rd for Stastny. Since he apparently wasn't even shopped, I'm going to assume there is a plan to bring him back next year. That shouldn't make a difference, but maybe it does. So I am ignoring it here.

I don't think he traded Stastny because now it doesn't look like he's giving up on playoffs this year entirely. That and maybe Wheeler said he couldn't.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Still trying to pretend that this year matters.

Copp and Stastny should both be gone by now.

Right now, it looks like we missed out on Barron plus whatever Stastny could have brought. But its OK, bc we got Sanford.

Hope there is still a Copp trade in the works.

How much do we wanna bet Wheeler was crying to Chevy to not trade his boy Stas.

I’m still shocked 25 is a Jet.

First off, it’s likely he’s not coming back. Secondly, he only has a year or two more in the league. Trade the guy so he can try and win.

 

[Packofwolves]

Hope Stastny stays and becomes a citizen of Winnipeg
Long term. Seems like a perfect Manitoban.

 

[Jets 31]

Copp was offered 4 million a season for 5 years and said no, as far as i'm concerned this was Chevy today.

 

[Hunter368]

I still think injury concerns hurt his value. I think the conditional 1st is the best Chevy could have gotten.

Maybe

 

[DRW204]

well that could easily change if samberg, gustafsson and chibrikov turn out

For sure, but that's a whole lot of ifs.
Samberg will be In his draft+6, and Gus in his draft+5th years. So half a decade for 2/3 of those players to turn into strong NHL contributors.

 

[kanadalainen]

@sipowicz

Who will you turn to?

Who now is qualified to bear the slings and arrows, the brunt of righteous blasphemy?

Possibly, could it be...

 

[GNP]

I think all posters have to put this trade in perspective. Chevy is trying to deal a player in Copp, that's had a couple of concussions, has mostly played on the 3rd line, and has very poor scoring hands. He's a great skater, and a great team player, and a well liked guy, but what do you expect to get for Copp ? A really good shot to the head, may end his career. I believe he's already had 2-3 concussions. That's serious stuff, and if I were the Rangers, I don't think I'd give up 2 2nd round picks, to acquire Copp, and have the right to "overpay" him, after dealing with Overhart. No great deal for the Rangers IMO.

All the other GM's knew Chevy's number, and I'm sure they weren't lining up with their first round picks for a player like Copp. Chevy did the best he could, and from what I see, he did great, getting 2 seconds. Also the Rangers may make the Conference final, if you think about the fact that an average team like Montreal did last year. Anything can happen.

Also, to keep Copp would have been foolish, as our chances of making the playoffs are about 30 - 35 % at best, even with Copp, so you take what you can get, and run with it.

Considering the circumstances, I don't think any GM could have done any better. I'm happy with the deal, as Copp would have walked anyways, and we'd be holding the bag with "nothing." At least we got something in this deal, and in the other deal, we got Appleton back for "nothing." All around I'd say a pretty good job by Chevy.

 

[Mud Turtle]

I think all posters have to put this trade in perspective. Chevy is trying to deal a player in Copp, that's had a couple of concussions, has mostly played on the 3rd line, and has very poor scoring hands. He's a great skater, and a great team player, and a well liked guy, but what do you expect to get for Copp ? A really good shot to the head, may end his career. I believe he's already had 2-3 concussions. That's serious stuff, and if I were the Rangers, I don't think I'd give up 2 2nd round picks, to acquire Copp, and have the right to "overpay" him, after dealing with Overhart. No great deal for the Rangers IMO.

All the other GM's knew Chevy's number, and I'm sure they weren't lining up with their first round picks for a player like Copp. Chevy did the best he could, and from what I see, he did great, getting 2 seconds. Also the Rangers may make the Conference final, if you think about the fact that an average team like Montreal did last year. Anything can happen.

Also, to keep Copp would have been foolish, as our chances of making the playoffs are about 30 - 35 % at best, even with Copp, so you take what you can get, and run with it.

Considering the circumstances, I don't think any GM could have done any better. I'm happy with the deal, as Copp would have walked anyways, and we'd be holding the bag with "nothing." At least we got something in this deal, and in the other deal, we got Appleton back for "nothing." All around I'd say a pretty good job by Chevy.

Chevy did great. Credit to him for being able to sell when the odds were against making the playoffs. There must have been a lot of pressure on him to go for it with our latest winning streak.
And, he got Appleton back which helps fill the hole left by Copp.
Overall, I think he did very well for the long term success of this franchise and in the end didn’t give up a ton in the short term either.