Connor McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all-time

[Three On Zero]

They both skate fast, that's about where the comparables end. I guess Bure had 3rd place Hart finish, close enough.

Well that just shows you never watched Bure play

 

[dwonger]

You clearly don’t. But by all means, tell us your expert knowledge. McMuffin is a one dimensional player. It shows by his inability to lead teams.

McDavids playoffs last year were more dominate then anything Crosby has every done in the playoffs. At even strength only he was 22 goals for and 7 against. His advanced stats were so above anything else that has ever happened in the NHL they were close to NBA levels of scoring.

McDavid was better then Crosby ever was his second year in the league.

How can anyone who has watched Wayne and Mario not conclude they are by far greater than McDavid. Truly astonishes me. People like to argue I guess

I grew up watching both of them and McDavid is far, far, far more skilled then either. On the 80's/90's he would be hitting 300+ every year.

 

[shaner82]

We need to start separating these discussions into eras and positions otherwise they're pointless. You can't objectively compare Gretzky/Lemieux era players to their predecessors or to modern players. How can you even begin to compare Dominik Hasek to Alexander Ovechkin?

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Cups? Seriously? So now being the "GOAT" requires you to be saddled with a good GM and coach? This board has actually become dumber over the years

Lemieux played in the dead puck era though, as an old man, half washed up, with a failing body. Gretzky played well into the 90's as well. Again, half washed up, injured, etc.

Those guys didn't have the workout regimens McDavid does, at least not until towards the end of their careers. They didn't have the strict diets, specialty coaches, etc.

I agree you can't compare eras, but Gretzky and Lemieux played in the modern era and they lit up the league over and over. McDavid is ridiculous, but he's just not on their level.

As for cups, it's a real thing. If he doesn't win one, it will always be "McDavid was one of the greatest ever, but he never won a cup." It doesn't take away from his greatness, but it will always be like a footnote when people mention him. That's just reality.

McDavids playoffs last year were more dominate then anything Crosby has every done in the playoffs. At even strength only he was 22 goals for and 7 against. His advanced stats were so above anything else that has ever happened in the NHL they were close to NBA levels of scoring.

McDavid was better then Crosby ever was his second year in the league.


I grew up watching both of them and McDavid is far, far, far more skilled then either. On the 80's/90's he would be hitting 300+ every year.

More raw talent than Gretzky maybe, but not Lemieux. It's not close

 

[Killer Orcas]

McDavids playoffs last year were more dominate then anything Crosby has every done in the playoffs. At even strength only he was 22 goals for and 7 against. His advanced stats were so above anything else that has ever happened in the NHL they were close to NBA levels of scoring.

McDavid was better then Crosby ever was his second year in the league.


I grew up watching both of them and McDavid is far, far, far more skilled then either. On the 80's/90's he would be hitting 300+ every year.

In the 80's his skates would be bricks like the rest of the players and his stick wooden. I just don't understand people thinking todays players are so much better but never quantify it with advances in science. McDavid would not be so fast in the 80's hence his biggest quality would be greatly diminished. Now before you think I'm knocking him this applies to all players. Today yes he is the best by a fare margin but no he wouldn't be the same player in the 80's.

 

[dwonger]

In the 80's his skates would be bricks like the rest of the players and his stick wooden. I just don't understand people thinking todays players are so much better but never quantify it with advances in science. McDavid would not be so fast in the 80's hence his biggest quality would be greatly diminished. Now before you think I'm knocking him this applies to all players. Today yes he is the best by a fare margin but no he wouldn't be the same player in the 80's.

If he went back exactly like he is today he would score 600 points a year. No joke.

 

[Macheteops]

Of course a Pens fan lmao. You’re all insecure about Crosby and bitter af too. McDavid is better; deal with it.


Trolling lmao. What are you going to say when he wins a Cup? Please be safe and don’t have a breakdown. Get help with your trauma before then.

He already has his argument in the chamber loaded and ready to go. Likely take the easy route saying numerous cups required to be considered an all-time great

 

[Garbageyuk]

He already has his argument in the chamber loaded and ready to go. Likely take the easy route saying numerous cups required to be considered an all-time great

We saw it from Pens fans with Ovechkin too, then he won a Cup and not a peep about him not being great since. The same will happen with McDavid.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Well that just shows you never watched Bure play

I did
Bure never won an Art Ross, Hart or Ted Lindsay

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Well that just shows you never watched Bure play

I did. Even met him once. Didn't look me in the eye. Might have been cultural or maybe he's just that way.

Great player, unreal hands, amazing feet, lethal goal scorer.

Not in the same realm as McDavid, at all. A modern comparable would be a shortened, non-Cup career of Patrick Kane.

We saw it from Pens fans with Ovechkin too, then he won a Cup and not a peep about him not being great since. The same will happen with McDavid.

Fair statement. I don't mention Ovechkin and his lack of leadership anymore. For more reasons than just the Cup, but that is a big part of it.

 

[Three On Zero]

I did. Even met him once. Didn't look me in the eye. Might have been cultural or maybe he's just that way.

Great player, unreal hands, amazing feet, lethal goal scorer.

Not in the same realm as McDavid, at all. A modern comparable would be a shortened, non-Cup career of Patrick Kane.

Not even close, Kane doesn’t possess the skills that Bure and McDavid had/have

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Not even close, Kane doesn’t possess the skills that Bure and McDavid had/have

LOL okay.

You really want to keep going with this Bure/McDavid, hey? McDavid already has more points than Bure in four or five fewer seasons, so there is that.

I'm not sure I have ever heard someone say "Kane doesn't possess the skills" before.

 

[Three On Zero]

LOL okay.

You really want to keep going with this Bure/McDavid, hey? McDavid already has more points than Bure in four or five fewer seasons, so there is that.

I'm not sure I have ever heard someone say "Kane doesn't possess the skills" before.

Kane is an all time great puck handler while slowing the game down

Bure/McDavid are high flying players who utilize speed

 

[jimmysheva]

I feel that 2015-2022 was Connor McDavid pre-breakout and he brokeout in the 2022 playoffs and continue scoring >1.9 ppg in 2022-2023.

 

[Random Comment]

How can anyone who has watched Wayne and Mario not conclude they are by far greater than McDavid. Truly astonishes me. People like to argue I guess

They would simply be wrong.

 

[authentic]

I feel that 2015-2022 was Connor McDavid pre-breakout and he brokeout in the 2022 playoffs and continue scoring >1.9 ppg in 2022-2023.

Technically he broke out in the COVID shortened season with 105 points in 56 games.

 

[HockeyWooot]

If you're in the greatest of all time discussion you'll need to win a cup or two to pass the big 5.

Not fair since the cup is a team trophy but it is what it is.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Gartner had 1/10th the hockey sense or skills that McDavid has. Are you insane?

I was not comparing Gartner to McDavid. I was showing that physical skills does not mean best hockey player. 1/10? Are you insane? Gartner was one of the fastest players ever and had some of the greatest assortments of shots. Gartner was still winning the fastest skater around age 37. McDavids 13.31 standing start beat Gartners 13.86 standing start time that lasted 21 years.

 

[edog37]

McDavids playoffs last year were more dominate then anything Crosby has every done in the playoffs. At even strength only he was 22 goals for and 7 against. His advanced stats were so above anything else that has ever happened in the NHL they were close to NBA levels of scoring.

McDavid was better then Crosby ever was his second year in the league.


I grew up watching both of them and McDavid is far, far, far more skilled then either. On the 80's/90's he would be hitting 300+ every year.

McMuffin was outplayed by Makar in the conference final & it really wasn't even close. Crosby won back-to-back Conn Smythes. Keep trying.

How can anyone who has watched Wayne and Mario not conclude they are by far greater than McDavid. Truly astonishes me. People like to argue I guess

typical fan boys is the real answer. I watched Mario & Wayne play in their prime & they are on another planet compared to McMuffin. Even Crosby doesn't really get to that level either.

 

[edog37]

If you're in the greatest of all time discussion you'll need to win a cup or two to pass the big 5.

Not fair since the cup is a team trophy but it is what it is.

The criteria is they are captains of their team. Leading their team to a Cup is the end game. It is entirely fair since it is also part of the job description.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Gretzky/Lemiuex
Orr

Everyone else

 

[edog37]

We saw it from Pens fans with Ovechkin too, then he won a Cup and not a peep about him not being great since. The same will happen with McDavid.

BINGO! Now you are getting it. That's the true marker. Always has been. However, I don't see McMuffin as capable of leading a team to a Cup, so it'll be a moot point. Which is why I have no issue saying Ovechkin is a far better captain than McMuffin.

 

[Voight]

He's zeroing in on being 30 points ahead of 2nd place. Insane.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

BINGO! Now you are getting it. That's the true marker. Always has been. However, I don't see McMuffin as capable of leading a team to a Cup, so it'll be a moot point. Which is why I have no issue saying Ovechkin is a far better captain than McMuffin.

These are the kind of posts that make me realize why I got trolled so hard in 2009-2012 around here when I was pumping Crosby so hard.

You calling him McMuffin and calling him a poor leader says more about you, and nothing about Connor McDavid, who has more hits and 50 more points than peripheral-playing, I have enough Cups mediocre Crosby of 2023.

 

[Slats432]

BINGO! Now you are getting it. That's the true marker. Always has been. However, I don't see McMuffin as capable of leading a team to a Cup, so it'll be a moot point. Which is why I have no issue saying Ovechkin is a far better captain than McMuffin.

The douchieness in the post takes away the good point. The ultimate decider on all of the greats is championships. If you want McDavid to be considering an all time great vs. all time one of the most talented, he needs to lift the cup. I expect it to happen at some point.

 

[ohcomeonref]

McMuffin was outplayed by Makar in the conference final & it really wasn't even close. Crosby won back-to-back Conn Smythes. Keep trying.


typical fan boys is the real answer. I watched Mario & Wayne play in their prime & they are on another planet compared to McMuffin. Even Crosby doesn't really get to that level either.

Calling him McMuffin just weakens your point and makes people not take your posts seriously. Reeks of salt and bias.