Connor McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all-time

[North Cole]

This is absurd…truly absurd. A one trick show pony who can’t even lead his team to a measly division title let alone a Cup.

A divison title! Someone screen cap, we found a Crosby fan that actually values the regular season!

Even if he is we still got Lemieux.

Even if he is we still got Gretzky

Rest of the league in shambles at the hoarding of talent.

 

[Mestaruus]

#1 Gretzky
#2 McDavid - on the path to be #2 now, but time will tell.

One Finnish person's opinion.

 

[iCanada]

You'd think McDavid was 38 and at the tail end of his career the way people talk about his lack of championships.

He's 26 and 7 1/2 seasons into his career. Pump the brakes.

Yzerman was 32 when he finally lifted the cup. Stamkos was 30. Ovechkin 33. Not all great players win right away.

I mean hell, Michael Jordan was 29 before he won his first championship and individuals just impact basketball much more then hockey.

 

[JJ68]

The big 4 all won cups, I know it's a team trophy but still. Being one of the all time big 4 legends you need to win. I could see an argument for replacing Howe, as his legacy will fade as it grows older.

The other 3 are near impossible to surpass unless Mcdavid takes his level of talent to the absolute pinnacle with 150+ point seasons, 2000 points, individual hardware and at least a cup, preferably 2.

He is in control of this destiny, I think he will be top 5 when all is said and done. How much higher he climbs we will see. Should be fun to witness. Maybe the big 4 will become the big 5.

you just described jagr......yet nobody talks about him. guess cuz he's czech.

 

[tfwnogf]

you just described jagr......yet nobody talks about him. guess cuz he's czech.

Plenty of people talk about Jagr. He's up there too. McDavid already has 4 rosses, 5 this year so he is on track to surpass Jagr's individual achievements imo. Not sure why you bring up nationality, perhaps it's insecurity on your part.

 

[darrylsittler27]

He isn't better than Mario.

 

[Phil68]

Mario Lemieux for a good part of the league is the best hockey player to over play modern NHL hockey. The only really reason people say Gretzky is because Mario only played about 915 games and finished 8 all time..

 

[hamzarocks]

I mean hell, Michael Jordan was 29 before he won his first championship and individuals just impact basketball much more then hockey.

Jordan also started in the NBA at 21 vs 18 for Mcdavid

Back then not many NBA players came from HS like NHL players do

 

[Neutrinos]

Won't even be top 10 if he never wins a Cup. So I'll hold off on his "legacy" until he actually has a legacy.

Team accomplishments have no place in a discussion about individual players

 

[MightySelanne8]

Im a huge McDavid fan, and I dont see him surpassing Gretzky, Mario or Orr. And when you are talking about the greatest players of a sport, team accomplishments absolutely are in play to some degree. Championships arent the be-all end end-all of things, or Russell would be the undisputed GOAT of basketball. But they 100% play a major part. I would say two cups and one or two conn smythes are required for me to even concider McDavid for a top five of all time. And, he needs like another thousand points.

 

[JJ68]

Plenty of people talk about Jagr. He's up there too. McDavid already has 4 rosses, 5 this year so he is on track to surpass Jagr's individual achievements imo. Not sure why you bring up nationality, perhaps it's insecurity on your part.

it's not insecurity. I'm not czech. Just seems to be a thing, especially within the media.

 

[tfwnogf]

it's not insecurity. I'm not czech. Just seems to be a thing, especially within the media.

That's fair, he's not looked at the same way as the Canadian legends, but he is a step below the big 4 and McDavid imo. Top 10 forward easily though.

 

[Video Nasty]

The only really reason people say Gretzky is because Mario only played about 915 games and finished 8 all time..

Yeah, Gretzky doing everything Mario did or dreamed of doing first, faster, and better has nothing to do with it.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Yeah, Gretzky doing everything Mario did or dreamed of doing first, faster, and better has nothing to do with it.

Well, no

 

[Voight]

Yeah, Gretzky doing everything Mario did or dreamed of doing first, faster, and better has nothing to do with it.

Not to mention even at his best he could not beat Gretzkys single season records.

 

[Canovin]

If McDavid hits 180 points next season, would people start considering him the GOAT?

 

[TheSanny]

If McDavid hits 180 points next season, would people start considering him the GOAT?

I would.

 

[Telos]

As long as he stays healthy and the NHL doesn't collapse like it does every CBA then I would say he has a solid chance at #1.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Or. Crosby

He isn't better than Mario.

Mario Lemieux for a good part of the league is the best hockey player to over play modern NHL hockey. The only really reason people say Gretzky is because Mario only played about 915 games and finished 8 all time..

Coming back from Cancer

Or Messier 5 cups 2 without Wayne.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Is greater than sakic or Yzerman?

 

[TheBeard]

He’s not touching the top 3 of Gretz, Mario or 4

 

[ImJustJokinen]

Incredible player but being wasted away in Edmonton. Needs to leave the moment he hits free agency

The worst of the avs' fanbase came out in droves after last year unfortunately.

 

[TheAngryHank]

I think #1 is off the table but #2 is McD's for the taking.

 

[DaGap]

Ehhh I dunno. #3 to me is more attainable

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Yeah, Gretzky doing everything Mario did or dreamed of doing first, faster, and better has nothing to do with it.

Is the Mario > Gretzky thing similar to OV > Crosby? Anybody who saw both want to chime in? As someone who didn’t follow hockey enough at the time to see and appreciate their primes, I’m curious how anybody could make an argument of Mario > Gretzky without having drank the Mario Kool-Aid and binged highlight videos.