Connor Hellebuyck made Presentation for NHL on Goaltender Interference

[bucks_oil]

Well, I see many of these threads for all manner of teams showing terrible missed calls missed again by the league. I dont need to have a vested interest to be puzzled by the inconsistency the league applies the rules of the game.

Yes, in this case, I am a fan of the team in question.

Are you saying, after reviewing the play, that you dont think Geekie interfered? By the rulebook,

Goaltender interference refers to any attacking player who, by means of their stick or body, interferes with or impedes the movements of the goaltender by actual physical contact. While incidental contact with the goaltender may occur, attacking players must make an effort to avoid contact in all circumstances. The onus is always on the attacking player and players who do not make an effort to avoid the goaltender must be penalized.

Goalie here.

That's 99% goalie interference.

1% "he was pushed in"

But very clearly the defenseman pushes Geekie in AFTER he's already interfered with Hellebyuck and pushed him into the net.

I don't understand the arguments for "no goalie interference". By the rulebook he clearly pushed him with his stick. It was not "incidental". He was in the crease (not that it matters if the push is obvious, but you give benefit of the doubt to the forward in terms of who's entitled to the ice when outside). And the defenseman doesn't push Geekie until after Geekie pushes Hellebyuck.

But forget all of that... break it down to first principles. We want the shooter to fairly beat the goalie and we want the goalie to fairly get a chance to stop the shot.

For all that is good and holy in this game, how can anyone say Hellebyuck had a chance to stop that puck and that Hagel simply out-competed him and beat him with a good shot? Clearly Hagel didn't earn that goal the old fashioned way. Geekie also didn't touch the puck (which Hellebyuck even admits would add a grey area), he 100% missed it... bad hand-eye coordination vs Hellebyuck getting a pad on it despite the traffic... why should Geekie be rewarded?

That's all that goalies want... a chance to make a fair play and deny a goal. That's competition. That's what sports are all about.

If my own defender bowls me over, ok, fine... great net drive opponent, you beat us this time.

If an over-exuberant attacker bowls me over or jams me across the line (that's what happened here), it's not fair play. The goalie cannot "outcompete" a push, those pads are MADE to slide without resistance.

 

[Ceremony]

I'd like to know what @Help makes of this.

 

[Help]

I'd like to know what @Help makes of this.

when teams i like score the goal, it is a good goal

when teams i like are scored on, it is goaltender interfere

 

[Midnight Judges]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a Goalie registering an opinion here, and the NHL should consider if he has a point.

I think NHL refereeing has much room for improvement. They could start by acting like actual professionals. There is video and audio of refs cursing out players. That is totally absurd. There is no way that should ever occur. It makes the NHL look amateur, second-rate, weak, and immature.

Oh yeah, and this wasn't called goalie interference. Look where the ref is standing and look where he's looking:

 

[Three On Zero]

when teams i like score the goal, it is a good goal

when teams i like are scored on, it is goaltender interfere

Simple yet sophisticated and complex answer.

 

[crowi]

As long as the league is making money, the actual people that call the shots, OWNERS, don't care. Sorry, it's not Bettman, he doesn't make these calls. I doubt Hellebuyck's presentation makes them any money.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

As long as the league is making money, the actual people that call the shots, OWNERS, don't care. Sorry, it's not Bettman, he doesn't make these calls. I doubt Hellebuyck's presentation makes them any money.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

There's no way anybody can convince me that Connor Hellebuyck is not the best goalie in the league. I'll admit playing the puck isn't quite his thing, but he's not just the best goalie in the league right now but he's the reason the Jets are posting an incredible record. He's on track to be one of the best goalies of all-time and best American goalie.

 

[BlueAzN]

Says random guy from internet with smug satisfaction as he gets back to boiling his mother’s dinner.

Why you making this so personal? Relax bud. And my mom's a great cook just so you know.

 

[Andre Palot]

Goalies are so coddled. Much like the modern anus with our multiple plied sheets.

I argue that 1 ply is superior because those modern multiple piled nonsense clogs toilets way too easily. It's like shoving a quilt in there.

 

[jungles]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a Goalie registering an opinion here, and the NHL should consider if he has a point.

I think NHL refereeing has much room for improvement. They could start by acting like actual professionals. There is video and audio of refs cursing out players. That is totally absurd. There is no way that should ever occur. It makes the NHL look amateur, second-rate, weak, and immature.

Oh yeah, and this wasn't called goalie interference. Look where the ref is standing and look where he's looking:

Neither was this.

 

[Romang67]

Not sure what some of you want.

In the evaluation of 3 or 4 trained professionals it is ruled a goal. But hey, due to the speed of play, refs sometimes make mistakes.

So, the failsafe option is deployed. More experts who can break the play down and watch details repeatedly are called in to check. They come to the same conclusion.

But that’s not good enough. Some casual fan of the team who lost the decision thinks the play was interference and that he’s right regardless. Conclusion: officials are a bunch of idiots. And it will remain that way until they make the call I think should be made.

I wonder. Do you guys take the same approach to evaluating medical research?

You realize why this is a supremely poor comparison, right?

Otherwise, I'll get you started with the NHL Rulebook (which doesn't exist for medical research), the instruments (we presumably have the camera angles necessary), and the difference in level of expertise between peer published medical research and the NHL refs.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

He’ll need a lot more than that to stop him from choking every playoffs.

Such a sick burn. Especially coming from a Leafs fan……….

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

There's no way anybody can convince me that Connor Hellebuyck is not the best goalie in the league. I'll admit playing the puck isn't quite his thing, but he's not just the best goalie in the league right now but he's the reason the Jets are posting an incredible record. He's on track to be one of the best goalies of all-time and best American goalie.

Only a handful of goalies have won 3 Vezinas and they are all in the HOF. Helle has 2 and been nominated 4 times. One more and he is a sure fire lock for the HOF, yet we still have people arguing he is overrated. I don't get it .

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Only a handful of goalies have won 3 Vezinas and they are all in the HOF. Helle has 2 and been nominated 4 times. One more and he is a sure fire lock for the HOF, yet we still have people arguing he is overrated. I don't get it .

Prime Quick is the only American Goalie that may be considered better than him, but he's way... better than Ryan Miller.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Gonna be interesting to see which way the next borderline call goes when he’s in the net.

In a sense this a 4D chess move by Helly, taking working the refs to the next level

 

[Devilsfan2326]

There's no way anybody can convince me that Connor Hellebuyck is not the best goalie in the league. I'll admit playing the puck isn't quite his thing, but he's not just the best goalie in the league right now but he's the reason the Jets are posting an incredible record. He's on track to be one of the best goalies of all-time and best American goalie.

I appreciate him making the effort to put forth a video of his own making. Brodeur was a student of the game just like that. Athleticism yes, but plenty of smarts.

 

[Regal]

Now I want to see a video from Mike Smith about what constitutes goalie interference.

Only a handful of goalies have won 3 Vezinas and they are all in the HOF. Helle has 2 and been nominated 4 times. One more and he is a sure fire lock for the HOF, yet we still have people arguing he is overrated. I don't get it .

Goalies probably get judged on the playoffs and “big game ability” more than skaters. I don’t know if he’ll get the respect he deserves until he has a Smythe-type playoff run.

 

[bucks_oil]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a Goalie registering an opinion here, and the NHL should consider if he has a point.

I think NHL refereeing has much room for improvement. They could start by acting like actual professionals. There is video and audio of refs cursing out players. That is totally absurd. There is no way that should ever occur. It makes the NHL look amateur, second-rate, weak, and immature.

Oh yeah, and this wasn't called goalie interference. Look where the ref is standing and look where he's looking:

Jeezus…

Cross check to the head while the goalie is trying to get eyes on a bouncing puck and make a save? Incidental contact, am I right?

 

[bucks_oil]

Neither was this.

lol…

Goalie slashed across mask, breaking stick.

So coddled.

Goalie shoulda been given a penalty for breaking that stick. That coulda been Neal’s goal!!!

 

[BlueAzN]

Such a sick burn. Especially coming from a Leafs fan……….

13 cups babyyyy

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Now I want to see a video from Mike Smith about what constitutes goalie interference.



Goalies probably get judged on the playoffs and “big game ability” more than skaters. I don’t know if he’ll get the respect he deserves until he has a Smythe-type playoff run.

He will soon be the American born goalie with the most wins. With another Vezina will only be the 4th goalie all time with one (Brodeur, Roy and Hasek the others) and has 7 more years to go. He will be in guaranteed

 

[Regal]

He will soon be the American born goalie with the most wins. With another Vezina will only be the 4th goalie all time with one (Brodeur, Roy and Hasek the others) and has 7 more years to go. He will be in guaranteed

Sure, I wasn’t talking about the HOF. He very likely will be in.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

13 cups babyyyy

Thats like bragging that your great grandpa once dated a model.

 

[Anomie2029]

Zetterlund just had a goal waived off after referees discussion (after they originally awarded it) for pushing the pad in, even though the puck was played and in the air on the way in.

NHL going well with consistency.