Value of: Connor Bedard to Montreal

[Frank Drebin]

You would basically have to bring in the Lindros-load

Duchesne
Forsberg
Hextall
Huffmann
Ricci
Simon
1993 1st
1994 1st
15M$

So you begin with a HHOF-player like Forsberg. And then you add two 1st's

And then you add something equivalent of the 15M$ in cash. Like a some seriously cheap deals on proven veterans.

I don't think that type of deal works in this environment, 30 years later. And as good as Bedard is, the hype around Lindros was much, much higher. He had Bedards offense with Tom Wilsons physical presence. Actually, he was more physically intimidating than Wilson. 6'4", 240, mean, fast, can do it all. He was probably better offensively than Bedard as well.

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[JlindiesANA]

I don't think that type of deal works in this environment, 30 years later. And as good as Bedard is, the hype around Lindros was much, much higher. He had Bedards offense with Tom Wilsons physical presence. Actually, he was more physically intimidating than Wilson. 6'4", 240, mean, fast, can do it all. He was probably better offensively than Bedard as well.

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Have to disagree. Ever since Crosby, and the expansion of the NHL with the audience growing bigger. It’s much more wide spread since Lindros was drafted.

Everyone knows Bedard now compared to the 90s who majority of the world didn’t know what hockey is.

You got countries like China, Taiwan, Singapore playing this game now.

So to say it was more hyped up back then if a false narrative

 

[Frank Drebin]

Have to disagree. Ever since Crosby, and the expansion of the NHL with the audience growing bigger. It’s much more wide spread since Lindros was drafted.

Everyone knows Bedard now compared to the 90s who majority of the world didn’t know what hockey is.

You got countries like China, Taiwan, Singapore playing this game now.

So to say it was more hyped up back then if a false narrative

Lindros was a more hyped, better prospect. It has nothing to do with name recognition.

 

[JlindiesANA]

Lindros was a more hyped, better prospect. It has nothing to do with name recognition.

The game is more popular now. This isn’t the 90s when USA and Canada and a few European countries played the sport.

The sport is completely global now. Which has many more fans, a lot more interest. And the comparison of what was said is inaccurate.

Unless you want to say your definition of what, “hype” means. My definition is a lot more people now would be more excited since the 90s Lindros draft

 

[Frank Drebin]

The game is more popular now. This isn’t the 90s when USA and Canada and a few European countries played the sport.

The sport is completely global now. Which has many more fans, a lot more interest. And the comparison of what was said is inaccurate.

Unless you want to say your definition of what, “hype” means. My definition is a lot more people now would be more excited since the 90s Lindros draft

Simply put, lindros had more value as a player/prospect. A lot more. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

[Schennanigans]

You’re not getting him if you don’t win the lottery. Generational expected players don’t get moved.

 

[VanP]

Its all conjectures.

what if they two extremely high picks? Is a Michkov + Fantili picks + Suzuki package interesting enough for letting go of Bedard?

I don’t think any GM will let go of Bedard…..whatever the return is….i would’nt do it

To move even from the 2nd overall to 1st it would cost us quite a bit

I'm thinking 2nd OA + 1st (FL) + Suzuki + Caufield + Guhle

That's without even cap implications, we'll probably be taking a lot of cap dumps back



How exactly is MTL supposed to "just lose"...did you see the AHL lineup they're icing, the fact teams like Toronto can't beat us is pathetic on their part and miraculous on the habs part.

I don’t see any miracle there….just a pathetic Leafs team…..

 

[HuGort]

If Mtl doesn't Win the Bedard derby, what kind of price would they have to pay to get him?

2023 1st (Mtl)
2023 1st (Flo)
Dach

Or

2023 1st (Mtl)
Choice of Suzuki or Caufield
Choice of Roy or Beck

Does it get it done? Or at least, is it a good starting point?

If Habs get late first, three first rounders have lot of value. Especially one should be in top 5

 

[Roshi]

in cap era its just not going to happen, ever.

But just for entertainment, close to the Lindros-package would be something like (after the lottery);

Cole Caufield
Josh Anderson
Joel Edmundson
Jake Evans
Juraj Slafkovsky
2023 1st (MTL) likely a top8 pick
2024 1st (MTL) unprotected

for

Bedard
+ a cap dump, bad contract with 5-15 mills left in his contract.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not happening. Nobody trading Bedard.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

If Mtl doesn't Win the Bedard derby, what kind of price would they have to pay to get him?

2023 1st (Mtl)
2023 1st (Flo)
Dach

Or

2023 1st (Mtl)
Choice of Suzuki or Caufield
Choice of Roy or Beck

Does it get it done? Or at least, is it a good starting point?

Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

 

[bobholly39]

There's a few reasons why such a trade is almost impossible.

1. Some teams won't trade Bedard no matter what. Offer 2, 3, or 55 different assets, they may just say no regardless.

2. Out of the very few teams who might consider a trade, the asking price would be astronomical.

Habs have potentially 2 lottery picks this year. If Habs end up #2 and #3 - and if the team at #1 would entertain a trade - thats your starting point.

Bedard for #2 and #3 overall pick ++ (Montreal adds, probably a lot).

Extremely unlikely.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

I don't like that card but in this case, it fits. Shut this thread down. Makes Habs fans look bad. Trust me, 90% or 95% of Habs fans know Bedard is not being traded (Whoever gets him).

 

[StewieP19]

I really don't think a team will trade Bedard.
The only team i can see trading the 1st overall is Arizona
And this trade will be with Toronto
Matthews for Bedard.
Some people will say Matthews will coming to Arizona after his contract but nothing is sure.
If San jose offer 15M Matthews wii goes to San jose. So a trade Matthews for 1st overall assure to Arizona to have him and make him sign an Extension before his contract ending.

 

[westc2]

The first "generational" projected #1 pick since McDavid. There's really nothing they could trade to acquire that pick from any team.

 

[TFHockey]

It really wouldn't surprise me if Bettman had his hands on the envelop and somehow draws Arizona for the first overall pick. I mean, would is surprise any of us?

 

[Habs Halifax]

It really wouldn't surprise me if Bettman had his hands on the envelop and somehow draws Arizona for the first overall pick. I mean, would is surprise any of us?

If it's rigged, Coyotes are too obvious IMO.

 

[pth2]

If it's rigged, Coyotes are too obvious IMO.

Chicago, as a large market, would be the more likely choice.
Arizona getting the #2 pick would set them up for success without being as suspicious.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Chicago, as a large market, would be the more likely choice.
Arizona getting the #2 pick would set them up for success without being as suspicious.

Not sure Bettman rewards them for their obsessive tank moves and after the scandal they went through last year.... once again (if it's rigged).

Coyotes, Hawks, Canucks would be teams I would bet against. Do I think it's rigged? Not really but sometimes I wonder. If they wanted to, they can and will get away with it.

 

[pth2]

Not sure Bettman rewards them for their obsessive tank moves and after the scandal they went through last year.... once again (if it's rigged).

Coyotes, Hawks, Canucks would be teams I would bet against. Do I think it's rigged? Not really but sometimes I wonder. If they wanted to, they can and will get away with it.

If the lottery is rigged, it's to maximize league visibility and profits, and scandals and tanks aren't relevant.

It's the key lesson from the pandemic: life and health aren't worth much compared to corporate profits.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If the lottery is rigged, it's to maximize league visibility and profits, and scandals and tanks aren't relevant.

It's the key lesson from the pandemic: life and health aren't worth much compared to corporate profits.

If it's rigged, the Habs are a logical play here. Imagine the extra revenue that creates in Montreal and we have not had a star like that in many decades. Last 100 pt guy is in 1986 I believe.

 

[Crow52]

I guess it's 5

No. Beyond hockey, if the kid lives up to the hype, you have marketing dream for any team that gets him.

Neither offer is nearly tempting enough to move the needle.

Think massive overpayment, then add

No team will trade there 1st, no matter what you offer. As for Mtl offering players like Suzuki, Caufield, Ghule and a couple of 1st. Wow, it doesn't matter how good Bedard is, he can only play one position. How many Stanley's have teams like Edm and Toronto won with multiple stars on their teams "NONE".

 

[pth2]

I don't like that card but in this case, it fits. Shut this thread down. Makes Habs fans look bad. Trust me, 90% or 95% of Habs fans know Bedard is not being traded (Whoever gets him).

Yup.
I mean, if we won the lottery, I wouldn't even entertain moving him, so I imagine it's the same for other teams fanbases.

 

[Heldig]

It really wouldn't surprise me if Bettman had his hands on the envelop and somehow draws Arizona for the first overall pick. I mean, would is surprise any of us?

If it were rigged McDavid would not have ended up in Edmonton and surely Arizona raised Austin Matthew would have been a Coyote.

 

[Bfan14]

The game is more popular now. This isn’t the 90s when USA and Canada and a few European countries played the sport.

The sport is completely global now. Which has many more fans, a lot more interest. And the comparison of what was said is inaccurate.

Unless you want to say your definition of what, “hype” means. My definition is a lot more people now would be more excited since the 90s Lindros draft

I think he means the hype in the hockey world was higher for Lindros. Not that more people knew who he was.