Connor Bedard or Jack Hughes?

[centipede2233]

Honestly depends where the rest of the roster is. A complete shit show? Go with Bernard who might be McDavid esq. If you want to win in the next 1-3 years. Jack Hughes

Actually wouldnt bedard give you the better chance to win in the next few years at a 900 k caphit? Bedard should be hitting the ground running, all generational prospects do

 

[JoVel]

Are the people comparing Bedard to Lafreniere being intentionally obtuse or do you really think you're making a good point?

 

[McRpro]

Are the people comparing Bedard to Lafreniere being intentionally obtuse or do you really think you're making a good point?

Even Yakupov was just mentioned by someone lol. Some people have a hard time separating the difference between a normal #1 prospect and a generational one. Which is weird considering we currently have one at his very best. And no, Bedard won't be a bust. Generational prospects have never busted.

 

[TBF1972]

The answer is still going to be Bedard because if he signs for more than 8 million in his next contract that will probably mean that he is the better player and you had 3 years on the ELC already.

what would be the market rate for hughes on a 7yr contract? 8m? i would say significantly more. even with rfa years included he could ask for 10-12m easily.

if bedard is close to the expectations coming off his elc he can ask 12+m with the current cap. more if the cap raises as expected.

so the question is hughes at 7yx8m or bedard at 3xelc and 4+yx?. will bedard sign long term before breaking out like hughes did?

superstars don't guarantee stanley cup titles. as good as mcdavid is he hasn't come close to a stanley cup win.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Bedard. If he is Jack Hughes, He'll be a disappointment.

This makes no f***ing sense, he literally plays exactly like him with a better shot.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Devils fans just seething lmao

Lmao, we're the last fanbase who cares about other people's opinions of our players. Half the league's fans couldn't pick out Jonas Siegenthalar out of a group of NHL players and he's our 1LHD.

If Bedard doesn’t put up 90 as a rookie most people here will be surprised.. that should tell you something

If he does that with the garbage on Chicago's roster + Taylor Hall then more power to him. He'll be around 65-70 points if I had to guess.

 

[Xirik]

Lmao, we're the last fanbase who cares about other people's opinions of our players. Half the league's fans couldn't pick out Jonas Siegenthalar out of a group of NHL players and he's our 1LHD.



If he does that with the garbage on Chicago's roster + Taylor Hall then more power to him. He'll be around 65-70 points if I had to guess.

It will be interesting to see how he does against top defensive pairings and shutdown lines as the Hawks are a one line team.

Also if anyone is seething its the people that got seriously offended by my mystery box gif.

 

[bobholly39]

Want another close parallel?

Going into the 2012-13 season do you take ....rookie prospect Nail Yakupov, or 22 year old established Tavares, former #1 overall?

How is that close?

Tavares >> Yakupov as a prospect.
Whereas it's Bedard >> Hughes as a prospect. And also Ovechkin >> Kovalchuk.

What you're describing is the opposite scenario. Weaker prospect and not yet proven. Absolutely no reason to not pick Tavares above him.

Kovalchuk/Hughes both pretty strong #1 overall picks, both looking very promising in career to date entering their age 22 seasons.....vs Ovechkin/Bedard - generational prospects with all the hype in the world, but no NHL games yet, only about to enter their rookie season.

My parallel makes sense - yours doesn't.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

if Bedard is as good or better than Hughes he's going to likely make between 12-15m with the cap going up over the next 3 years
so Hughes at 8m
or Bedard at who even knows?

Will Bedard be so much better than Hughes that it's worth swapping and likely paying an extra 4-5m more for atleast 4 years?

 

[wetcoast]

what would be the market rate for hughes on a 7yr contract? 8m? i would say significantly more. even with rfa years included he could ask for 10-12m easily.

if bedard is close to the expectations coming off his elc he can ask 12+m with the current cap. more if the cap raises as expected.

so the question is hughes at 7yx8m or bedard at 3xelc and 4+yx?. will bedard sign long term before breaking out like hughes did?

superstars don't guarantee stanley cup titles. as good as mcdavid is he hasn't come close to a stanley cup win.

I'm still taking Bedard as often the player B with less salary and then you get another player on the free market and usually overpay with what's left.

 

[MasterofGrond]

I'm still taking Bedard as often the player B with less salary and then you get another player on the free market and usually overpay with what's left.

Or you can use it to pay to keep your other quality star players (the Hischier or Bratt or Meier to Jack).

Having more efficiently deployed salary is never a negative.

 

[TBF1972]

I'm still taking Bedard as often the player B with less salary and then you get another player on the free market and usually overpay with what's left.

bedard @12.25m + a 2c @ 3m
or
hughes @ 8m + hischier @ 7.25m

(i am aware that nico only has 4 years left on his current contract)

 

[BB88]

Peperidge farm remembers when Lafrenière was the closest thing to "generational".

When was Laf ever at Bedards level?

I guess you would have taken known Hughes over unknown McDavid…..

 

[ijuka]

This makes no f***ing sense, he literally plays exactly like him with a better shot.

That's really not true.

Of course, Bedard's shot is better, but it's pretty ridiculous to dilute Bedard down to "shot". Their play styles are also quite different.

 

[Happyhary9]

I remember seeing quite a lot of "Laf is the best draft prospect since Mcdavid and Mathews".

Again that was on HF (and only a small portion). Go Google Laf for his scouting reports and you won't find any actual scouts calling Laf "generational" or best since McDavid/Crosby. Heck Hughes himself was viewed as a better prospect then Laf, Dalhin as well. Then go look at Bedard and what scouts say. Sorry Laf was never close to being as highly regarded by NHL scouts as Bedard.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I voted Hughes.

I expect Bedard to be the slightly better player, but it's pretty close and there is some risk there. But assuming Bedard becomes a 60+60 type of player, his contract demands could be a bit crazy. Hughes' contract tips the scales for me.

 

[Happyhary9]

if Bedard is as good or better than Hughes he's going to likely make between 12-15m with the cap going up over the next 3 years
so Hughes at 8m
or Bedard at who even knows?

Will Bedard be so much better than Hughes that it's worth swapping and likely paying an extra 4-5m more for atleast 4 years?

This is what really makes this a great poll. I think Bedard will be better and score like 20 more points per year by like year 3. But ya he will get paid superstar money after 3 years. Hughes is on such a great deal, so this poll is very hard, compared to the Bedard vs Matthews one were AM is already getting superstar money.

 

[bobholly39]

bedard @12.25m + a 2c @ 3m
or
hughes @ 8m + hischier @ 7.25m

(i am aware that nico only has 4 years left on his current contract)

These examples never make sense though.

Would I take Bedard at 12.25M? Yes sure, assuming he comes close to expectations.
If Hischier is then made available to my team at 7.25M - do I take him on top of Bedard? Absolutely I do.

The team who has Bedard at 12.25M isn't not going to sign/acquire Hischier at 7.5M if given the chance. If you need room on cap space, it's not the 2C position you sacrifice - maybe you have a crappier 5th and 6th D than the first team, or something else less critical.

This poll is strictly about Bedard vs Hughes.

 

[Happyhary9]

I voted Hughes.

I expect Bedard to be the slightly better player, but it's pretty close and there is some risk there. But assuming Bedard becomes a 60+60 type of player, his contract demands could be a bit crazy. Hughes' contract tips the scales for me.

I am kinda right here. Hughes is probably the smart pick because ATM with a constant that may be 5-6 million per year underpaid for 7 years.

The only reason I may pick Bedard is man his goal scoring is just so tantalizing. It is just amazing and he always seems to be able to score in big moments.

Just a real good poll and can see it both ways. Hughes is the safe route. Bedard is a swing for the fence, because he would have to get close or at his ceiling to probably justify the difference in pay after his ELC.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

These examples never make sense though.

Would I take Bedard at 12.25M? Yes sure, assuming he comes close to expectations.
If Hischier is then made available to my team at 7.25M - do I take him on top of Bedard? Absolutely I do.

The team who has Bedard at 12.25M isn't not going to sign/acquire Hischier at 7.5M if given the chance. If you need room on cap space, it's not the 2C position you sacrifice - maybe you have a crappier 5th and 6th D than the first team, or something else less critical.

This poll is strictly about Bedard vs Hughes.

The point is you'll have to sacrifice that money somewhere.

 

[bobholly39]

The point is you'll have to sacrifice that money somewhere.

Yes - but it's never drastic as people imply. Any team even with Bedard probably finds a way to add Hischer at 7M outside of the trade cost, even if Bedard makes more money than Hughes.

Most people think Bedard is likely to become a lot better than Hughes (you're in the minority who thinks the gap won't be that big). Having the much better player is worth having a worst ~5th or 6th defenseman.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I picked Jack Hughes for contract.

I really think this depends on where the team is at.

Let's pretend you have 2 top pairing defensemen. 3 bona-fide top 6 forwards. With a starting goaltender (top 15)

I think I'm leaning to Hughes.

I have no top pairing defensemen. My top 6 will be replaced by the end of 3 years with actual top 6 Guys or projected top 6 guys.

Defensemen in the pipeline.

I am probably taking Bedard.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yes - but it's never drastic as people imply. Any team even with Bedard probably finds a way to add Hischer at 7M outside of the trade cost, even if Bedard makes more money than Hughes.

Most people think Bedard is likely to become a lot better than Hughes (you're in the minority who thinks the gap won't be that big). Having the much better player is worth having a worst ~5th or 6th defenseman.

Before getting injured by Brady Tkachuk at the ASG, Hughes was on pace for 57 goals and 112 points as a 21 year old.

Hard to believe the gap between them will be that big.

If Bedard does end up that much better than Hughes, he's gonna be looking at a $13-14M contract. That's a huge difference in cap hits, and would impact on a teams lineup much more than a 5th or 6th defenseman.

 

[PriceIsGod]

This is actually a super close one IMO, but I’m a big fan of Hughes game. I think it’s interesting because you have someone more proven, still very young and on a really great deal. If Bedard reaches the heights you’d expect then his first big contract will be a monster. I think you need to go with Bedard because the ceiling is so high but this really made me think

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

That's really not true.

Of course, Bedard's shot is better, but it's pretty ridiculous to dilute Bedard down to "shot". Their play styles are also quite different.

They're not, lol. Both are dynamic, puck handling offensive dynamos with slick skating, high IQ, and defensive game that needs to be polished when they both got drafted. And yes, the only "difference" between a generational first overall and a first overall who's probably gonna end behind McDavid, Matthews, Bedard in terms of first overalls in the last decade is the shot between the two aforementioned. People are getting shiny toy syndrome with Bedard to a tee and then going to crush the kid when he comes out and isn't a PPG player on Chicago's awful roster.