Connor Bedard or Jack Hughes?

[Happyhary9]

Did you not even watch the video I posted? I even time stamped it for you. Bedard did not perform well in on ice speed testing.

Yes. Just like tons of guys don't do well in those tests. And I am not saying he is McDavid fast (not even sure why you brought McDavid into it) Again he is Crosby fast. Both Bedard and Crosby played faster then they would ever test. It is about real time hockey speed. Both those guys minds were faster then their feet. Who cares about this I will just continue to watch Bedard skate by people in real hockey not some media hype event.

 

[Xirik]

Is bedard a faster skater then the player he's being compared to in this poll?

 

[Happyhary9]

Is bedard a faster skater then the player he's being compared to in this poll?

No he is not.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yes. Just like tons of guys don't do well in those tests. And I am not saying he is McDavid fast (not even sure why you brought McDavid into it) Again he is Crosby fast. Both Bedard and Crosby played faster then they would ever test. It is about real time hockey speed. Both those guys minds were faster then their feet. Who cares about this I will just continue to watch Bedard skate by people in real hockey not some media hype event.

Oh so in those speed skating tests Bedard just doesn't know how to skate fast? Is Nick Lardis also as fast as Crosby was?

Crosby would have lapped Lardis.

Blue line to blue line here Bedard is 1s 883ms:

That's 27.2 MPH


Crosby is 1s 783ms blue line to blue line here, while receiving a pass and weaving through traffic, not even pushing his pace too much

That's 28.7MPH

Crosby was 6% faster just in that clip, which is a significant margin. And this was after his high ankle sprain from earlier in his career.

 

[Happyhary9]

Oh so in those speed skating tests Bedard just doesn't know how to skate fast? Is Nick Lardis also as fast as Crosby was?

Crosby would have lapped Lardis.

Blue line to blue line here Bedard is 1s 883ms:

That's 27.2 MPH


Crosby is 1s 783ms blue line to blue line here, while receiving a pass and weaving through traffic, not even pushing his pace too much

That's 28.7MPH

Crosby was 6% faster just in that clip, which is a significant margin. And this was after his high ankle sprain from earlier in his career.

Just stop man. You used some clips and then tried to calculate speed? According to your calculations both Bedard and Crosby are faster then McDavid. McDavid was clocked at between 24-26 mph multiple times. Anyway you win Crosby faster then superman, Bedard is slower then an old lady with a walker.

What is Connor McDavid's top speed?

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[Sidney the Kidney]

Just stop man. You used some clips and then tried to calculate speed? According to your calculations both Bedard and Crosby are faster then McDavid. McDavid was clocked at between 24-26 mph multiple times. Anyway you win Crosby faster then superman, Bedard is slower then an old lady with a walker.

What is Connor McDavid's top speed?

Edmonton Oilers star Connor McDavid perfectly exemplifies the idea of a cheat code in today's fast-paced NHL.

www.sportskeeda.com

“That’s Crazy”: Speed Comparison With Usain Bolt Left NHL Star Connor McDavid Stunned in 2020

Did you know? Connor McDavid is almost as fast as the Olympic sprint maestro Usain Bolt. Read on to find the difference between their speeds.

www.essentiallysports.com

I'm not sure why you need this hyperbolic argument. Crosby *was* faster than Bedard when both were at the same age, breaking in to the NHL. Saying so doesn't mean the bolded, nor does it mean Bedard's Jason Allison reincarnated.

I don't know why you're bothered by the idea that Bedard isn't as fast as Crosby. Gretzky wasn't faster than Crosby, but that doesn't mean Gretzky wasn't better than Crosby. It's just a simple statement of fact about skating speed.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Just stop man. You used some clips and then tried to calculate speed? According to your calculations both Bedard and Crosby are faster then McDavid. McDavid was clocked at between 24-26 mph multiple times. Anyway you win Crosby faster then superman, Bedard is slower then an old lady with a walker.

What is Connor McDavid's top speed?

Edmonton Oilers star Connor McDavid perfectly exemplifies the idea of a cheat code in today's fast-paced NHL.

www.sportskeeda.com

“That’s Crazy”: Speed Comparison With Usain Bolt Left NHL Star Connor McDavid Stunned in 2020

Did you know? Connor McDavid is almost as fast as the Olympic sprint maestro Usain Bolt. Read on to find the difference between their speeds.

www.essentiallysports.com

You can measure frame rates, there are tools to do it it's not that hard.

No need to get hyperbolic, it's okay to admit you were wrong.

 

[Happyhary9]

You can measure frame rates, there are tools to do it it's not that hard.

No need to get hyperbolic, it's okay to admit you were wrong.

And yet rule tool was wrong. Because that speed of 28.7 mph would be the fastest ever in hockey. Mike Gartner has the record at 28.3 mph.

As I have even said Crosby may have been a hair faster coming into the NHL. But is is very close. They are both elite skaters with very similar size and mechanics in their skating. Both are compact skaters with great explosion . But neither had that high end like a McDavid or even Hughes for that matter.

 

[goonybird]

I roll the dice and go with Bedard.

 

[authentic]

drew comparisons to Pavel Bure he says

He did

 

[authentic]

And yet rule tool was wrong. Because that speed of 28.7 mph would be the fastest ever in hockey. Mike Gartner has the record at 28.3 mph.

As I have even said Crosby may have been a hair faster coming into the NHL. But is is very close. They are both elite skaters with very similar size and mechanics in their skating. Both are compact skaters with great explosion . But neither had that high end like a McDavid or even Hughes for that matter.

Crosby was faster than Bedard, by a very clear margin. That’s far from an insult to Bedard though

What? I am the guy that says being an elite skater doesn't mean you have to have top end speed. Crosby was an elite skater but he was never close to as fast as Bure and I can't remember anyone every saying he was. Crosby was a short strider with incredible bust, but there were a lot of guys who where faster at top end speed.

Was never close would be wrong, and yes there were comparisons you could go back and hear announcers making the comparisons in his rookie season

 

[wetcoast]

well in 3 short years Hughes will still have 4 years at 8m and thats questionable because there's no saying that Bedard will be as good as Hughes right out the gate. I would just simple take Jack Hughes. you already know what your getting

We are going to agree to disagree here since if the 8 million dollar Hughes is a "bargain" for 4 years then Bedard will be an even bigger "bargain" for those 3 ELC years and he is only signing a huge mega contract if his ELC years are dynamite.

The 8 million dollar deal people are trying to have it both ways here it seems.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

We are going to agree to disagree here since if the 8 million dollar Hughes is a "bargain" for 4 years then Bedard will be an even bigger "bargain" for those 3 ELC years and he is only signing a huge mega contract if his ELC years are dynamite.

The 8 million dollar deal people are trying to have it both ways here it seems.

IF Bedard can be as good as Hughes in those first 3 years,

 

[wetcoast]

IF Bedard can be as good as Hughes in those first 3 years,

As good as Hughes was in his first 3 years or first 3 years Bedard on an ELC has to be as good as Hughes at 8 million?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

As good as Hughes was in his first 3 years or first 3 years Bedard on an ELC has to be as good as Hughes at 8 million?

this isnt Bedard vs Jack Hughes' first 3 years. it's what Hughes is now vs what Bedard is through his ELC on Chicago

 

[wetcoast]

this isnt Bedard vs Jack Hughes' first 3 years. it's what Hughes is now vs what Bedard is through his ELC on Chicago

That's what I though so if Bedard is close to as good as Hughes and cost like 20% of him wouldn't he be the better guy going forward?

Even if Bedard signs for 12-15 million per after 3 years your logic would be to take Bedard right?

Most people answering this poll sure seem to think so.

But like I said the 8 million for Hughes is a bargain crowd is trying to have it both ways here but Bedard might make it a moot point after 2 seasons.

 

[ello]

Oh so in those speed skating tests Bedard just doesn't know how to skate fast? Is Nick Lardis also as fast as Crosby was?

Crosby would have lapped Lardis.

Blue line to blue line here Bedard is 1s 883ms:

That's 27.2 MPH


Crosby is 1s 783ms blue line to blue line here, while receiving a pass and weaving through traffic, not even pushing his pace too much

That's 28.7MPH

Crosby was 6% faster just in that clip, which is a significant margin. And this was after his high ankle sprain from earlier in his career.

"Crosby would've lapped Lardis"

 

[Arthur Morgan]

That's what I though so if Bedard is close to as good as Hughes and cost like 20% of him wouldn't he be the better guy going forward?

Even if Bedard signs for 12-15 million per after 3 years your logic would be to take Bedard right?

Most people answering this poll sure seem to think so.

But like I said the 8 million for Hughes is a bargain crowd is trying to have it both ways here but Bedard might make it a moot point after 2 seasons.

well I guess if Bedard is as good as Hughes or better then he would be a better choice for a contending team through his ELC. and then Bedard would likely get McDavid money or more and then Hughes would have 4 years left as a bargain,

I mean let's not pretend Hughes is some bum who is maxed out. he's likely going to continue to grow as a player.

either way I think Id just go with Jack Hughes. take the guy whos 22 years old and is already an established star on an incredible contract. in the end Bedard might only be 20 points better than Hughes and likely going to make ALOT more

 

[wetcoast]

well I guess if Bedard is as good as Hughes or better then he would be a better choice for a contending team through his ELC. and then Bedard would likely get McDavid money or more and then Hughes would have 4 years left as a bargain,

The 2 statements don't make sense especially given how low Bedard's ELC contract is, to call Hughes a bargain just doesn't make any sense here.

I mean let's not pretend Hughes is some bum who is maxed out. he's likely going to continue to grow as a player.

No one is calling him a bum here and we will see how much more he grows as a plyer.

either way I think Id just go with Jack Hughes. take the guy whos 22 years old and is already an established star on an incredible contract. in the end Bedard might only be 20 points better than Hughes and likely going to make ALOT more

So Bedard on an ELC within 20 points of Hughes is a whatever but Hughes 20 points less than Bedard at 8 million is a bargain?

Nothing to add here.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The 2 statements don't make sense especially given how low Bedard's ELC contract is, to call Hughes a bargain just doesn't make any sense here.



No one is calling him a bum here and we will see how much more he grows as a plyer.

So Bedard on an ELC within 20 points of Hughes is a whatever but Hughes 20 points less than Bedard at 8 million is a bargain?

Nothing to add here.

Bedard's aav is 4.45m and are you really saying Hughes at 7x8m isnt a bargain?

if Bedard is as good as expected then once his ELCs over he should be making 13-15m so yeah Hughes not only already is a Bargain but he seriously will be at that time compared.

I mean shit in 3 years the money they save from Bedard's contract can keep Hischier in the mix long term again

 

[wetcoast]

Bedard's aav is 4.45m and are you really saying Hughes at 7x8m isnt a bargain?

The thing is that his cap hit is under 1 million and sure it can be as high as 4.45 but then he is doing some great work out there.

if Bedard is as good as expected then once his ELCs over he should be making 13-15m so yeah Hughes not only already is a Bargain but he seriously will be at that time compared.

So Bedard is a bargain for 3 year, Hughes for 4 but I'll still take the better player (a 13-15 million resign means he is top 2 or 3 in the league and it's not my criteria but yours).

Like I said before this Hughes at 8 million bargain argument really falls flat.

I mean shit in 3 years the money they save from Bedard's contract can keep Hischier in the mix long term again

Sure put Hughes in the best light possible after what you did up post?

That's very inconsistent.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The thing is that his cap hit is under 1 million and sure it can be as high as 4.45 but then he is doing some great work out there.



So Bedard is a bargain for 3 year, Hughes for 4 but I'll still take the better player (a 13-15 million resign means he is top 2 or 3 in the league and it's not my criteria but yours).

Like I said before this Hughes at 8 million bargain argument really falls flat.

Sure put Hughes in the best light possible after what you did up post?

That's very inconsistent.

yeah but what if Bedard tops out as a 60-80 point player in those 3 years? either way I dont really care if you agree with me or not, I would take Hughes and Ive said my reasons more than once in here.

but I would build my team around Hughes or as NJ just keep Hughes and stick with the direction. agree or disagree with me I dont really care and Ive had enough of this pointless arguing

 

[FDBluth]

Being able to out skate back pressure is an extremely important part of the game, especially for offensive centers. This "narrow" part of the game is what makes McDavid, more than anything, the best player in the world.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yeah he's an awesome player, he's going to be able to make plays like this often. But I wouldn't really consider this an example of "outskating" back pressure. Buchnevich took a bad angle and stopped moving his feet because he thought he had Bedard covered, but Bedard is just too elusive. And then Buchnevich just decided to skate away for.... reasons? Lol.

Bedard sent Neighbours to the shadow realm with that move, I thought he was unlucky to not score there.

 

[TBF1972]

I get the idea here but really this is like saying Hughes + Hischier is greater than Bedard and a 3rd line center which is a little unfair one would think, heck Hughes is more valuable than McDavid then?

Also if Bedard is getting resigned at &12.25 million he is almost certainly killing it and the 3 million dollar guy could be anyone just as the 7.25 million dollar guy could be anyone not already a player under the teams control.

To the point if one is making this comparison one needs to use the average or random 3 million dollar guy signed as a UFA or the random 7.25 million dollar UFA.

was looking at Timo thus the edit.

unfair? not unfair at all. reality.

when hughes signed his 8x8m contract i was vocal about i wouldn't trade him for mcdavid and got a lot of flack here. i didn't expect the devils to have such a steep upwards trajectory and make the playoffs in the first year of his contract.

but the reasoning stands. hughes + 4.5m in cap space can be as good as mcdavid and mcdavid's next contract most likely will be in the 15m range.