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I simply don't understand the grief he gets.

Don't get me wrong, I think his acolytes and crypto-bros or whatever are really pretty looney as well. But why do folks hate or appear to fear Musk so much?
This video pretty sums it up better than I ever would. People here can watch it or not, I don’t care.


EDIT: Someone posted the link via Twitter earlier so use that.

His actions during the whole fiasco rescuing those kids from the flooded cave were revelatory. Made it all about himself, talked about inventing a submarine on the fly that had no chance of working that no one wanted, creating a huge distraction to an already urgent situation, and then when one of the actual rescuers called him out, he accused the man of pedophilia. Pedophile, uh, no Elon, you only need look to your own father to find someone like that.

We will see if his contributions create something to make the world better, so far that isn’t the case.
 
So you don't think reusable rockets, online payments, mass production of EV, and private space flight are not massive accomplishments? Those are just the main ones...

I agree people can go way too far with his praise, and Mars is likely nothing but a pure pipedream for anyone born before 2100. But the guy has accomplished and changed a lot...
I mean, he didn't invent those things. The technology for getting to low-earth orbit has been around for decades, online payments would have been developed regardless of if Elon Musk had been born, and electric vehicle technology has been around for a while too. Reusable rockets are innovative, I'll give him that, but he didn't invent those things himself, he just invested in the technology, that's a very different thing. He threw lots of money at problems and hired engineers to make it happen. He's not an engineer himself, he's just an "ideas guy" who happens to have inherited obscene amounts of money and invested it wisely in emerging technologies. I can't really give him credit for "inventing" things when other people did all the grunt work of making the technology a reality.
 
I mean, he didn't invent those things. The technology for getting to low-earth orbit has been around for decades, online payments would have been developed regardless of if Elon Musk had been born, and electric vehicle technology has been around for a while too. Reusable rockets are innovative, I'll give him that, but he didn't invent those things himself, he just invested in the technology, that's a very different thing. He threw lots of money at problems and hired engineers to make it happen. He's not an engineer himself, he's just an "ideas guy" who happens to have inherited obscene amounts of money and invested it wisely in emerging technologies. I can't really give him credit for "inventing" things when other people did all the grunt work of making the technology a reality.
He’s legitimately involved in the engineering process of those things and is partially responsible for some very major advances. Discounting those as… oh well all the pieces existed, so can’t give credit is simply ignoring some massive leaps. And yeah spacex and Tesla have probably the best group of engineers, that’s a result of Musk. Just like Edison had his group of engineers, Musk has his. Doesn’t chance his contributions. With Musk, a lot of those things wouldn’t exist like they do today.

IMO it is entirely possible to hate his actions and think he’s an arrogant POS and still acknowledge he’s done a lot of good things. Like all things, Elon is a shade of grey. A mix of good and bad.
 
My favourite Musk fact is that he wasn't even a founder of Tesla. He invested in it, did some shady shit (surprise) and then sued to be able to call himself a co founder. The American dream.
 
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My favourite Musk fact is that he wasn't even a founder of Tesla. He invested in it, did some shady shit (surprise) and then sued to be able to call himself a co founder. The American dream.
Gotta love short seller lines that have entered the mainstream :laugh:

His founding or not of Tesla (he clearly didn’t found Tesla) has zero bearing on what Tesla has become, but gets trumpeted like it is some huge slight. It just shows he’s an arrogant dick.
 
Gotta love short seller lines that have entered the mainstream :laugh:

His founding or not of Tesla (he clearly didn’t found Tesla) has zero bearing on what Tesla has become, but gets trumpeted like it is some huge slight. It just shows he’s an arrogant dick.
He's an arrogant dick, that much we can agree on :laugh:
 
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I battle internally over Musk. I think as a human he sucks, he's clearly an arrogant jerk, but he's also a brilliant mind. Whether that's just as an ideas man, or an engineer or visionary whatever, these big moonshot projects (pun intended) like SpaceX need someone with ruthless determination and blue sky thinking (pun intended?) to spearhead them. Without Musk, SpaceX probably ceases to exist, or is not anywhere near as impressive as it is. That moment the two boosters landed autonomously successfully for the first time was a moment I don't think I'll forget. My jaw was on the floor. It was this generation's moon landing, and whether or not Musk wrote any of the code, or engineered any of the mechanical parts doesn't matter. He drove it in to existence. The guy nearly went bankrupt seeing through his vision and got the right set of skill and minds around him to get it done. I can't give him enough kudos and respect for SpaceX.

But, he's a massive dick. Ugh.
 
I battle internally over Musk. I think as a human he sucks, he's clearly an arrogant jerk, but he's also a brilliant mind. Whether that's just as an ideas man, or an engineer or visionary whatever, these big moonshot projects (pun intended) like SpaceX need someone with ruthless determination and blue sky thinking (pun intended?) to spearhead them. Without Musk, SpaceX probably ceases to exist, or is not anywhere near as impressive as it is. That moment the two boosters landed autonomously successfully for the first time was a moment I don't think I'll forget. My jaw was on the floor. It was this generation's moon landing, and whether or not Musk wrote any of the code, or engineered any of the mechanical parts doesn't matter. He drove it in to existence. The guy nearly went bankrupt seeing through his vision and got the right set of skill and minds around him to get it done. I can't give him enough kudos and respect for SpaceX.

But, he's a massive dick. Ugh.
All accurate.

He did the same with Tesla too. The Model 3 had the compan my on the very verge of bankruptcy with the whole auto industry just ready to do a victory lap showing how EVs are utter junk and ready to divest their whole investment. They (meaning Tesla as a whole) gritted their way through a hellacious build and ramp only to find that it made them one of the leanest and strongest automakers on the other side (their operational leverage is just insane). It push a whole different mode of transport forward and now other automakers (kicking and screaming) are having to follow along. Where they are also seeing the extreme pain that the change will bring. But in the end, we will have a much better and cleaner method of transport in 10-15 years because of Tesla. It wouldn’t have happened without the Model 3 working.

I kinda stand in the side for a highly successful disruptive business to happen… you have to have one of these ruthless, visionary, and asshole personalities.

He’s just pretty unsavory and enjoys the fact that he is. Again, this generations Howard Hughes. Changes so many things on how we operate… but pulling back the curtain isn’t great.
 
I'll admit, I don't know much about him other than when NASA retreated from low earth orbit, he (SpaceX) created the reusable rockets with quick turnaround capabilities a hell of a lot quicker than NASA could've. Also, as an Alaskan I know a thing or two about rural living and the difficulties in obtaining broadband. Companies simply won't because of the "last mile" costs associated with low population areas. Again, Musk (Starlink) came up with a realistic and viable solution. It's still got improvements that need to be made but it is still a rather nascent technology. It does beat the living crap out of DSL though, which is still pretty standard around here due to draconian data caps on the fiber option.

In all, Musk sounds a lot like Edison or Bill Gates...smart men with incredible business acumen who are accredited with making advancements that greatly benefited the human race. But also happen to be completely ruthless cutthroat dicks.
 
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Or people will simply turn to another app. I seriously don't understand why so many are afraid of quitting Twitter.
I don't think it's being afraid of quitting twitter, it's just that there is no real competition to it on the market right now. Just about everyone you could possibly want to follow is on twitter and that's just not the case anywhere else.
 
Or people will simply turn to another app. I seriously don't understand why so many are afraid of quitting Twitter.
Yeah, I'm getting old and hate change. I'd rather not find everyone I fallow on Twitter on some other app if I don't have to. I also don't think a lot of sports reporters (the lion share of the people I fallow on Twitter) will even move to another platform. Twitter is also intergraded into other websites. Like this one, all we have to do is post a link to the tweet and there it is. Hell before the last fourm migration, that was pretty much the only way to post video on here.
 
I think Elon 100% tries to emulate both the good and bad of Nikola Tesla. Tesla was one of the brightest minds the world has ever seen, but his mental health got the better of him, and Elon somehow seems to want to follow that path?

Tesla ended up broke at the end his life because of stupid business deals, and I don't think that will happen to Elon - Nikola's deal with Westinghouse was epically probably the worst business deal in the history of the world....but Elon's kind of got the same non-business savvy thing going for him lately. It's very odd the similiarities between them.
 
All accurate.

He did the same with Tesla too. The Model 3 had the compan my on the very verge of bankruptcy with the whole auto industry just ready to do a victory lap showing how EVs are utter junk and ready to divest their whole investment. They (meaning Tesla as a whole) gritted their way through a hellacious build and ramp only to find that it made them one of the leanest and strongest automakers on the other side (their operational leverage is just insane). It push a whole different mode of transport forward and now other automakers (kicking and screaming) are having to follow along. Where they are also seeing the extreme pain that the change will bring. But in the end, we will have a much better and cleaner method of transport in 10-15 years because of Tesla. It wouldn’t have happened without the Model 3 working.

I kinda stand in the side for a highly successful disruptive business to happen… you have to have one of these ruthless, visionary, and asshole personalities.

He’s just pretty unsavory and enjoys the fact that he is. Again, this generations Howard Hughes. Changes so many things on how we operate… but pulling back the curtain isn’t great.
Is it really? Electricity is still highly based on fossil fuel in the USA...
 
Is it really? Electricity is still highly based on fossil fuel in the USA...
Yes… EVs powered by coal are still leagues cleaner than gasoline and diesel. Natural gas is another large step better. Then as you get into cleaner mixes from nuclear, hydro, wind, and solar they are very clean.
 
I think Elon 100% tries to emulate both the good and bad of Nikola Tesla. Tesla was one of the brightest minds the world has ever seen, but his mental health got the better of him, and Elon somehow seems to want to follow that path?

Tesla ended up broke at the end his life because of stupid business deals, and I don't think that will happen to Elon - Nikola's deal with Westinghouse was epically probably the worst business deal in the history of the world....but Elon's kind of got the same non-business savvy thing going for him lately. It's very odd the similiarities between them.
Tesla's a really interesting character. He absolutely got screwed by both Edison and Westinghouse. When he was working with mechanical resonance, he ended up shaking his building. The cops were called, and he told them if they didn't leave him alone, he'd level the city. *LOL*
 
Yes… EVs powered by coal are still leagues cleaner than gasoline and diesel. Natural gas is another large step better. Then as you get into cleaner mixes from nuclear, hydro, wind, and solar they are very clean.
I need to dig out a scientific paper that goes into all the minutia of this. All the energy chain (for all energy sources) and all the material chain between the two.
 
I need to dig out a scientific paper that goes into all the minutia of this. All the energy chain (for all energy sources) and all the material chain between the two.
Plenty of studies out there on it.
 

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