News Article: Colorado Avalanche Media Coverage Part VI
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While the following link is based upon national statistics, it does establish that only 30% of the population consider themselves to be hockey fans. I'm not sure what data you utilize to state that Comcast is OBJECTIVELY false. If 70%+ of a marketplace do not desire to pay for hockey games, why would a provider charge that 70% anyway?
The Demographics of Sports Fan-dom
Professional football has more fans than any other sport in America, topping the list of 11 sports included in a survey by Gallup with 63 percent of Americans describing themselves as fans of the sport.
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While the following link is based upon national statistics, it does establish that only 30% of the population consider themselves to be hockey fans. I'm not sure what data you utilize to state that Comcast is OBJECTIVELY false. If 70%+ of a marketplace do not desire to pay for hockey games, why would a provider charge that 70% anyway?
The Demographics of Sports Fan-dom
Professional football has more fans than any other sport in America, topping the list of 11 sports included in a survey by Gallup with 63 percent of Americans describing themselves as fans of the sport.
This is a worthless dataset for this conversation. First of all it's a national statistic like you said. Denver is a much bigger hockey town than most cities in the US. On top of that they have the Stanley Cup champions. So there are a ton of casual fans that will watch next year, that didn't before.
On top of that, your 30% number doesn't include all the basketball fans of the Nuggets with the back to back MVP, or the Rapid or Mammoth. Your link says 77% of African Americans watch the NBA and 40% of whites. Other races not mentioned will bump that number up as well. As will the soccer and lacrosse fans.
Now show me the percentage of the population that watches every other channel Comcast customers pay for. The Tennis Channel, The Golf Channel, Olympic Channel (during non Olympics), The Sportsman Channel, Game Show Network, Hallmark Channel, Smithsonian Channel, Eternal Word Television Network, C-Span 3, Univision and the 30 other latino networks, etc.
Comcast said the same BS about nobody watching the Rangers/Devils/Isles/Knicks on the MSG Network in New York during their holdout, which is even more ridiculous than saying it about the Avs/Nuggets/Mammoth/Rapid.
MSG didn't sue Comcast, and Comcast has handled those negotiations almost identically with the same BS talking points. They clearly have adopted a strategy of trying to freeze out RSN's for their own personal gain.
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It's hard to believe that I am defending Comcast, as they are just short of evil incarnate. That said, it is an invalid argument to state that my 30% is unjustified, while providing not a single objective statistic yourself. Denver is a hockey town? Really? By which metric? They were 11th in home attendance this past season - a season they were unanimous favorites for the cup prior to the season. Then there was the little issue of losing an NHL team back in the 80s, due to lack of support.
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I am not privy to what Comcast wants to pay KSE. But I am actually acutely aware of the MSG data. James Dolan - the only asshat in the entertainment business more despicable than Comcast - wanted a ridiculous amount of money. Furthermore, MSG had quite a lineup, including the teams you mention, plus Big East Basketball, Boxing at the garden, MMA, and several track meets which are a big seller in NYC. Plus a massive catalogue of historical footage of NY teams back into the 60s. Compare that to Altitude, which has games, repeats of the championship parade, and 3 hour per day of Moser and Vic making themselves look stupid on that awful podcast. But the fans listed above are not independent groups. A Venn Diagram of soccer, hockey, hoops and lacrosse fans fan groups would almost be a single circle. Furthermore, being a 'fan' does not necessarily mean one is willing to pay to watch 160 games of hoops and hockey, plus another 40 or so soccer / lacrosse. I am guessing that you want them all. I can guarantee that I want them all. I suspect that 90% of the posters on HF put the 'fan' in 'fanatic., and they want them all. ( Well excepting those always looking for kittens!) But all of us are atypical.
By reading your posts, I can tell you are an excellent fan, and someone with whom I'd love to share a beer or 6 at a game. But you are wearing both blinders and rose colored glasses when it comes to the Comcast / KSE impasse. This situation was caused by Kroenke and Kroenke alone. I think he's spent too many Thanksgivings at the Walton family dinner table.
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It's hard to believe that I am defending Comcast, as they are just short of evil incarnate. That said, it is an invalid argument to state that my 30% is unjustified, while providing not a single objective statistic yourself. Denver is a hockey town? Really? By which metric? They were 11th in home attendance this past season - a season they were unanimous favorites for the cup prior to the season. Then there was the little issue of losing an NHL team back in the 80s, due to lack of support.
NHL on ESPN - Scores, Stats and Highlights
Visit ESPN for NHL live scores, video highlights and latest news. Stream exclusive ESPN+ games and play Fantasy Hockey.www.espn.com
I am not privy to what Comcast wants to pay KSE. But I am actually acutely aware of the MSG data. James Dolan - the only asshat in the entertainment business more despicable than Comcast - wanted a ridiculous amount of money. Furthermore, MSG had quite a lineup, including the teams you mention, plus Big East Basketball, Boxing at the garden, MMA, and several track meets which are a big seller in NYC. Plus a massive catalogue of historical footage of NY teams back into the 60s. Compare that to Altitude, which has games, repeats of the championship parade, and 3 hour per day of Moser and Vic making themselves look stupid on that awful podcast. But the fans listed above are not independent groups. A Venn Diagram of soccer, hockey, hoops and lacrosse fans fan groups would almost be a single circle. Furthermore, being a 'fan' does not necessarily mean one is willing to pay to watch 160 games of hoops and hockey, plus another 40 or so soccer / lacrosse. I am guessing that you want them all. I can guarantee that I want them all. I suspect that 90% of the posters on HF put the 'fan' in 'fanatic., and they want them all. ( Well excepting those always looking for kittens!) But all of us are atypical.
By reading your posts, I can tell you are an excellent fan, and someone with whom I'd love to share a beer or 6 at a game. But you are wearing both blinders and rose colored glasses when it comes to the Comcast / KSE impasse. This situation was caused by Kroenke and Kroenke alone. I think he's spent too many Thanksgivings at the Walton family dinner table.
Thank you for the kind words in the last paragraph here, but I have to say, you misrepresented a lot of what I said.
"(Me) Denver is a much bigger hockey town than most cities in the US." "(You) Denver is a hockey town? Really?"
"(Me) 30% number (hockey fans) doesn't include all the basketball fans of the Nuggets with the back to back MVP, or the Rapid or Mammoth." "(You) it is an invalid argument to state that my 30% is unjustified."
"(Me) Your link says 77% of African Americans watch the NBA and 40% of whites. Other races not mentioned will bump that number up as well. As will the soccer and lacrosse fans." "(You) while not a single objective statistic yourself."
We can agree or disagree on whether "most" people in Denver watch the Avs/Nuggets/Mamoth/Rapid combined. I'm less concerned with that specific argument.
I'm more taking issue with the general stance Comcast is taking with their BS talking point about there being a huge lack of interest in these teams, or the Rangers/Devils/Isles/Knicks/Everything else you mentioned in NY, and complaining that they shouldn't charge all their customers for this channel they don't watch, while they charge all their customers for The Tennis Channel, The Golf Channel, Olympic Channel (during non Olympics), The Sportsman Channel, Game Show Network, Hallmark Channel, Smithsonian Channel, Eternal Word Television Network, C-Span 3, Univision and the 30 other latino networks that most people don't watch either.
Kroenke and KSE/Altitude have definitely played their part in this mess. I think they overvalued themselves early on, and were probably too stubborn in negotiations. And that early PR blitz making viewers sit through endless ad reads slandering Comcast and Dish were annoying to say the least.
But Comcast is also making a very transparently bad faith argument about why they don't want Altitude. And the fact they responded to Altitude's hyperbole/attack free statement about just wanting the same deal the Rockies got, with a public statement of their own taking a personal shot at Altitude saying nobody watches them, should make very clear to everyone, that Comcast has no intention of settling, no matter what the deal is. They want Altitude and other RSN's to die, probably so they can step in like vultures and create their own for the post cable landscape.
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This is from the Front Office Sports newsletter today talking about why NFL+ is about to launch. NFL gets the benefit of still mostly being on "linear TV". The KSE gang gets no benefit from that. In the face of these daunting numbers, why are they still trying to fight their way onto a sinking ship at terms that clearly do nothing for that ship's passengers or crew? Read it carefully Kroenke, 79% of fans would watch sports on a streaming service and you spend all your fricking time trying to force your way onto cable or satellite. Get over your nonsense and start up a streaming service that thousands of your fans would willingly pay for. And not the crappy expensive box "solution" you have offered that doesn't give us mobile or online rights. Or else make a deal for local TV time in your markets.
According to a study released by Grabyo in 2021, 79% of fans globally would be willing to watch their sports exclusively on streaming services.
Why Now?
Consumers are constantly evolving in how they consume content, and broadcasters and IP holders alike need to evolve with them. For sports, traditional linear TV is still king, but cable is suffering a steep decline.- 2011 total U.S. cable households: 110 million
- 2022 total U.S. cable households: 70 million
According to a study released by Grabyo in 2021, 79% of fans globally would be willing to watch their sports exclusively on streaming services.
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You know there's something wrong with this math model when Montreal's worst contract is Nick Suzuki.
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Well that's one way to not endear yourself to a front office who already revoked your press credentials.
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I wasn't watching hockey during the prime PL years, but I get the excitement factor that's lacking now compared to the pre-cap years. Dater just comes across as a bitter boomer though
