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News Article: Colorado Avalanche Media Coverage Part VI
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Foppa2118
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Comcast's response.
"even though most Comcast customer's have no interest in Altitude's content."
What a shitty thing to say. And not a good faith argument either. Sure most of the programming sucks, but there's plenty of people that want to watch the Nuggets or the Stanley Cup champion Avalanche.
Neither side seems to actually be willing to do what they need to do to get a deal done here. Taking a shot at Altitude in a public statement like that just makes the deal less likely.
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KSE should have started working on their own steaming service years ago when this first started, so they'd have it ready to roll out by now.
That's what these cable providers fear the most. And it's inevitably going to end them. So why doesn't KSE and these other regional sports networks turn the heat up on them and start this process already?
They can even band together with the other RSN's having this same problem. Split the cost to create a well working app and then offer subscriptions services for each region under the same app.
Clearly Comcast doesn't really want to get back together. It's time to move on KSE.
That's what these cable providers fear the most. And it's inevitably going to end them. So why doesn't KSE and these other regional sports networks turn the heat up on them and start this process already?
They can even band together with the other RSN's having this same problem. Split the cost to create a well working app and then offer subscriptions services for each region under the same app.
Clearly Comcast doesn't really want to get back together. It's time to move on KSE.
The Abusement Park
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It is what it is. Shitty or not the only time people use Altitude is for Avs/Nugs games. There's basically only traffic on the channel for games. I can see why Comcast doesn't want to pay to deal with that. And making people pay for that will drive customers away that don't use it. Sucks but Altitude's a pretty bad channel outside showing games.
Not sure what the solution is, because one needs to happen ASAP.
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I don't get the feeling Comcast is being very honest. So I'm not really taking at face value their claim about making customers pay more. I think they're just posturing like it's not worth it for them.
To say most Comcast customers in the Denver area have no interest in watching the Avs or Nuggets is just objectively false. Makes me take everything else they say with a huge grain of salt.
Can't speak to the Nuggets very much, but the Avs are very exciting to watch, and helped generate one of the higher ratings for Cup finals in recent years. And they'll be a big draw next year as reigning champs.
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They aren’t saying Denver fans have no interest in Avs/Nuggets games. It’s that the channel is quite literally never watched except for during games. Which is a very minimal chunk of the day.
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And who watches those other local sports channels for anything other than games?
It's a farce. Comcast is trash. Vote with your dollar.
Gumballhead
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I think only huge markets get any real numbers of people watching the filler stuff on regional networks. Even leviathans like Netflix where you can pick and choose what you want at any time are losing numbers. There are so many options now, and with sports the only thing of value is the games themselves. I bet the second highest ratings on these channels come from pre and post game stuff and then it falls off a cliff.
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What does Root show outside of Rockies games? No way it’s anything worth watching.
Hell the Rockies can’t be drawing many eyes now.
Hell the Rockies can’t be drawing many eyes now.
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Foppa2118
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They said in reference to Denver specifically, "most Comcast customer's have no interest in Altitude's content."
That includes Avs/Nuggets games. They didn't say most customers have no interest in Altitude's content outside of Avs/Nuggets.
They're trying to posture like Altitude doesn't bring anything to the table, and they can't do that if they acknowledge how popular those teams are. Especially after wining the Cup. So they just make a blanket claim that most Denver subscriber's aren't interested in Altitude's content, which is obviously false.
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I'm not saying Comcast is free from blame they totally are part of the issue. But Altitude pretending they're some big name in demand channel is just as problematic.
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I won't disagree. But i haven't missed a single game with DirecTV, which now even has a streaming option.
And Comcast is a dogshit evil telecom with the consistently worst customer service ratings so f*** them the most anyway.
NHL needs to get real and make the streaming product available without blackouts. It won't be long until 10 teams are in the same situation. MLS thankfully opened that door, NHL needs to follow them through it.
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It's funny. Streaming caused many people to cut the cord of their expensive cable. Sports are the main reason cable packages are so high. But now streaming has become balkanized, with myriad providers offering individual slices of the pie, all for a separate price. And sports are getting into the game, as well.
I think basic cable is due for a big resurgence in a few years.
I think basic cable is due for a big resurgence in a few years.
why is it obviously false? The Nuggets are one of the least watched teams in the NBA and the Avs viewership numbers were absolute garbage prior to all of this happening (the team was just starting to turn the corner). Then you get outside of the Nuggets/Avs games - I don’t think I could actually even name one TV show that aired on Altitude. Maybe Jimbob boating through a river somewhere talking about the coolest new fish lures on the market? Whatever show that was.….
I’m not happy the games arent on TV either but I don’t think Altitude is some first rate product that Comcast is missing out on. In about 3-5 years when the window starts to close on this team it’s gonna be another stretch like those late 2005-2010 or 2015-2020 teams that were god awful to watch. I wouldn’t wanna sign up long term for that either.
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It's obviously false to say that most people in Denver don't care about the Nuggets or the Stanley Cup champion Avalanche, that had higher ratings than either of Tampa's previous two Cup finals for a reason. They're exciting to watch.
I think Altitude has been very stubborn about this as well, but at this point it's pretty obvious to me that Comcast doesn't actually intend to settle with Altitude. They plan to freeze them out. Perhaps like they've been accused, to create their own RSN's, so they'll have something to bring them income once cable eventually dies.
There are a shit ton of channels on TV that most people don't care about, but they're paying for, so what they're saying is nonsensical and completely irrelevant to being with, and the fact that they're saying nobody wants Altitude in a public statement, just proves they have ZERO intentions of coming to an agreement in the first place, because that kind of statement just hurts their chances even more.
On top of all that, there's no way more people care about the Rockies in Denver than the Avs/Nuggets/Mamoth/Rapid combined, which include the back to back NBA MVP and the Stanley Cup champs that generated hundreds of thousands at their parade, meaning the interest will be even higher next year. So if Comcast was operating in good faith, there should be no reason not to give Altitude the same deal they just gave AT&T Sportsnet for the Rockies alone. Which was Altitude's most recent offer.
It's not just Altitude that Comcast is doing this to either. They've done the same thing to the MSG network in New York who show the highly rated Rangers, Isles, Devils, and Knicks. Obviously plenty of people watch those teams.
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Baseball is just a more popular sport, it’s not hard to believe. Also any ratings comparison would be from 3 years ago. Until either of these parties reveal actual costs, ratings, figures it’s just all PR BS.
I think at this point Altitude just needs to admit they lost. They believed they had leverage with two on the rise teams in a time when the Broncos sucked and the Rockies were nothing. They held out because Comcast was going to put them on the premium tier which would cost them viewers and net less money. Their holdout was to force the issue with Altitude being on a regular tier and forcing all subscribers to pay. Where are we today? Altitude gets nothing and no coverage. In retrospect something was more than nothing. At this point all they have is hope for a court to force themselves into the regular tier, but who expects that to happen?
Give it up KSE and Altitude, it's over. You have zero leverage and when is a court ever going to say this is a must carry program at a dictated price because another sports gets this deal?
Give it up KSE and Altitude, it's over. You have zero leverage and when is a court ever going to say this is a must carry program at a dictated price because another sports gets this deal?
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Both Comcast and Dish offered to put them on the Sports tier (which is completely reasonable to their product) and Altitude refused. They definitely overplayed their hand as Comcast and Dish have both demonstrated they couldn't care less about their channel. It matters not to them one way or the other and neither of them are in the Avs/Nuggets business.
Altitude, being in the Avs/Nuggets business, needed to have another plan than "sue them!" It was comically mismanaged by them and they pissed away two of the most watchable years for their respective franchises in quite some time.
its an interesting battle for sure - on one hand you’ve got Comcast who is trying to lower their costs and compete with the netflixes of the world. And on the other hand you have altitude who is trying to keep their RSN business alive despite all of the other RSNs around the US going under or being under duress (As revenue for RSNs plummets, sports execs search for new local rights models with focus on streaming)
if the RSN business is going to survive I think there’s got to be consolidation but I can’t see these guys like Kroenke admitting defeat and even worse - partnering with some other team/owner like Arizona or St Louis to split costs/revenue.
I don’t think there’s any way in the world that a court is going to tell Comcast they have to pay XYZ for a service that they dont want. That just doesn’t make sense at all from a legal standpoint. Comcast doesn’t owe Altitude anything.
if the RSN business is going to survive I think there’s got to be consolidation but I can’t see these guys like Kroenke admitting defeat and even worse - partnering with some other team/owner like Arizona or St Louis to split costs/revenue.
I don’t think there’s any way in the world that a court is going to tell Comcast they have to pay XYZ for a service that they dont want. That just doesn’t make sense at all from a legal standpoint. Comcast doesn’t owe Altitude anything.
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Bonsai is correct. Altitude screwed the pooch by suing Comcast in federal court. They turned a private business dispute into a public street fight. That they're losing. The Judge dumped 90% of the case on motions, and told Altitude the rest of the case was shaky as well. You can't accuse Comcast of being a "monopoly"...while telling the customer base to go to DirectTV to consume your product.
There's a reason all 3 providers dumped Altitude at the same time. By taking this to litigation, the goal now isn't to reach a business resolution. Now everybody wants to "win". Altitude has injected litigation lawyers and the court system - layers that only complicate resolution - into something that should be resolved in the boardroom. You don't get to accuse Comcast of violating anti-trust laws in court...and then expect Comcast to settle without exacting retribution.
This is 100% on Altitude.
There's a reason all 3 providers dumped Altitude at the same time. By taking this to litigation, the goal now isn't to reach a business resolution. Now everybody wants to "win". Altitude has injected litigation lawyers and the court system - layers that only complicate resolution - into something that should be resolved in the boardroom. You don't get to accuse Comcast of violating anti-trust laws in court...and then expect Comcast to settle without exacting retribution.
This is 100% on Altitude.
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Hopefully we can get NHL streaming back with pre and post game shows. I hate the ESPN deal. The NHL offering was so much better overall. If I can get all pre and post games for 82 games I don't mind paying $200 for the season.
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Good interview with Nate. Obviously talks a lot about the Cup win and some behind the scenes stuff.
One interesting thing I didn’t know is how close him and Cogliano are. Apparently they’re good friends and Nate said he asked Sakic to acquire Cogliano at the TDL. Giving up 10 1sts for Lehkonen is a bit much but good move by GM Nate here. Cogliano played an important role along the way.
