Post-Game Talk: Cole's Minus/Minus Thread: The Pens duck a win to continue their impressive streak!

[Sidney the Kidney]

As much as I want to see Zucker-Malkin-Rust, I ‘m afraid that will make us basically a one-line team.

Better than our current no-line team.

 

[Ryder71]

There's no way Sully would pick Riikola over JJ. Hell he'd rather play Trotman.

Which is why I have significant concerns about Sully's judgement pertaining to such players. Something here doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I want to run Zucker with Geno-Rust once Jake's back anyway, put 'em together now.

Sid's fine with Simon and Sheary. They're awful scoring line wingers, but Sid favors comfort and familiarity over skill and talent anyway.

Simon-Sid-Sheary
Zucker-Geno-Rust
Marleau-McCann-Hornqvist
Lafferty-Blueger-Tanev

Just survive until Marino and Dumo return, basically.

And for the love of god, play Riikola you f***ing dummies.

 

[Love the Penguins]

What is the perspective? Enlighten me.

The perspective is that it's a long season with considerable ups and downs. For the most part the Penguins have been one of the top teams in the league and are back to playing the style that helped them win in '16 and '17, especially '16, though obviously they're a little off right now. Oh, and they have Crosby and Malkin, so all but giving up on them because of a rough patch is putting too much emphasis on short-term disappointment rather than realizing they still have a decent chance to win the Cup this year.

 

[cheesedanish87]

Geno should be the focus of the offense right now while he's on and Sid's not, but Sully also has to do a better job of putting guys who can cover for Sid's currently defensive struggles. Adding Sheary to that line was such an obvious mistake since it's compounding bad defense with more bad defense.

Honestly, Tanev should be tried with Sid and Zucker. Give that line a guy who can actually play defense, has the wheels to keep up, and isn't weak physically.

What about Horny?

The player that Sid doesn't want to play with.

Maybe Sid should just suck it up and play with him.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Hey pens fans. Just got back from the game, and here is where I sat. A lot of pens fans in Anaheim tonight. Zucker looked great, and I still can't believe Trotman played over Riikola.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I think you load up on the 1st 2 lines.

Tanev HAS to be a part of that conversation.

He's f***ing perfect. Does almost all of the handwork. Will get points, but is cost-controlled.

I dont think he’s a fit in the top 6. He’ll want to carry the puck a lot and doesn’t shoot much.

Each to their own though.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

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Hey pens fans. Just got back from the game, and here is where I sat. A lot of pens fans in Anaheim tonight. Zucker looked great, and I still can't believe Trotman played over Riikola.

Seats so good you can smell the shit in the air.

 

[Hank Plank]

The perspective is that it's a long season with considerable ups and downs. For the most part the Penguins have been one of the top teams in the league and are back to playing the style that helped them win in '16 and '17, especially '16, though obviously they're a little off right now. Oh, and they have Crosby and Malkin, so all but giving up on them because of a rough patch is putting too much emphasis on short-term disappointment rather than realizing they still have a decent chance to win the Cup this year.

What I see is the style of play that has seen the team face plant in the playoffs. Basically a confusing mess of lines, no heart, to drive, no purpose. This is a joyless team right now. I certainly don't get the feeling invulnerability like I had in 2016.

 

[Ryder71]

The perspective is that it's a long season with considerable ups and downs. For the most part the Penguins have been one of the top teams in the league and are back to playing the style that helped them win in '16 and '17, especially '16, though obviously they're a little off right now. Oh, and they have Crosby and Malkin, so all but giving up on them because of a rough patch is putting too much emphasis on short-term disappointment rather than realizing they still have a decent chance to win the Cup this year.

I don't think the vast majority are giving up on them, but there should be at minimum some concern here. We have been trending downward for quite some time. Even before the recent five games as it pertains to structure, turnovers, uneven performances etc.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

There was no real reason to get Sheary

This would have sufficed as well.

 

[Tom Hanks]

What about Horny?

The player that Sid doesn't want to play with.

Maybe Sid should just suck it up and play with him.

Marleau has played RW I believe (played with Sid before too). I think he’d be a better choice.

Malkin and Horny are awesome together right now

 

[barbosa]

I'll be at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame tomorrow.

To DVR or not to DVR?

Make sure to head on down to west 6th Street. It's the perfect place since you're a dbag

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The perspective is that it's a long season with considerable ups and downs. For the most part the Penguins have been one of the top teams in the league and are back to playing the style that helped them win in '16 and '17, especially '16, though obviously they're a little off right now. Oh, and they have Crosby and Malkin, so all but giving up on them because of a rough patch is putting too much emphasis on short-term disappointment rather than realizing they still have a decent chance to win the Cup this year.

That's where the concern is. The Pens WERE playing like you described in the bolded about 20 games back. Ever since about the new year, the Pens have started to look more like last year's club than the 2016 Cup winning club. That's the reason for concern, because now the results are matching the regression in "advanced stats".

 

[Smasher]

Somebody start a positivity thread...

 

[Love the Penguins]

What I see is the style of play that has seen the team face plant in the playoffs. Basically a confusing mess of lines, no heart, to drive, no purpose. This is a joyless team right now. I certainly don't get the feeling invulnerability like I had in 2016.

That 16 team was special, my favorite of the five Cup winners though they were all fantastic. That kind of invulnerability has been there at times this season but hasn't of late for sure. They've also dealt with a ridiculous amount of adversity and lack of continuity this season. But if they can regain that focus and desire they can beat any team in the league. There's still over a month to get back on track.

 

[Ryder71]

That 16 team was special, my favorite of the five Cup winners though they were all fantastic. That kind of invulnerability has been there at times this season but hasn't of late for sure. But if they can regain that focus and desire they can beat any team in the league. There's still over a month to get back on track.

'92 was my favorite team and very likely our best cup team. Won eleven in a row by sweeping the Hawks who came in winning eleven in a row themselves. Special team there and over coming injuries to do it..

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Think you've gotta get Rust back to Geno's RW. Zucker's fine with Sid, I don't know that I agree with everyone that despises the combo, but I do agree Zucker is tailor-made for Geno-Rust's LW. Put 'em together.

No idea who Sid's wingers are though. Marleau and Simon? Marleau and Sheary? McCann with Blueger at 3C and Lafferty at 4C?

I'm pretty married to the idea of Zucker-Geno-Rust though. That trio would be dynamite, no doubt about it in my mind.

 

[barbosa]

Make sure to head on down to west 6th Street. It's the perfect place since you're a dbag

Hope you recognize this as a joke referencing the Cleveland tourism video

 

[Tom Hanks]

Somebody start a positivity thread...

“Cant lose for at least 23 hours” thread lol

 

[Love the Penguins]

That's where the concern is. The Pens WERE playing like you described in the bolded about 20 games back. Ever since about the new year, the Pens have started to look more like last year's club than the 2016 Cup winning club. That's the reason for concern, because now the results are matching the regression in "advanced stats".

I don't post much but have always enjoyed the Penguins chats because there are a lot of level-headed, knowledgeable posters here. But I have noticed more over-reaction to individual games than I used to, along with more knee-jerk negativity. No biggie, carry on.

 

[canadianguy77]

I dont think he’s a fit in the top 6. He’ll want to carry the puck a lot and doesn’t shoot much.

Each to their own though.

Tanev vs Sheary; who would be better? with Sid and Zucker?

 

[cheesedanish87]

Marleau has played RW I believe (played with Sid before too). I think he’d be a better choice.

Malkin and Horny are awesome together right now

Yeah, I like Geno's line.

The point I was trying to make in my last post was that Sid has the opportunity to play with a good winger in Horny, but he chooses not to.

I probably didn't make that clear enough.

 

[Love the Penguins]

'92 was my favorite team and very likely our best cup team. Won eleven in a row by sweeping the Hawks who came in winning eleven in a row themselves. Special team there and over coming injuries to do it..

Yep, and the '91 win was amazing because it was the first one for what had previously been a woebegone franchise, while I'm still distraught over what happened in '93. Great memories from all of the Cup wins.

 

[Ryder71]

“Cant lose for at least 23 hours” thread lol

We're not setting the bar even low, we're just placing it on the floor, eh?