Confirmed with Link: Coleman to Tampa Bay for 1st and Nolan Foote

[TrufleShufle]

Imagine building around a 28 year old 2nd liner... Jeez guys, come on.

So you pick one player on the team to "build around" and the rest is cannon fodder?

 

[The Devil In I]

It was a rhetorical question. The answer was obviously no. I was surprised to see someone actually suggesting that he'd fetch a blue-chipper or 1st, hence my question

Aside from the lack of leading comprehension...the guy you're referencing was saying he wouldn't be happy with anything less than that, which is a gauge of how much Coleman means to the team, not his league-wide value...yes, a ~2nd line (middle-6 at worst), 20-25 goal, elite PKer, on a 1.8M cap hit thru next year is worth a 1st to a cap strapped playoff team. That's not even questionable.

 

[Guttersniped]

It was a rhetorical question. The answer was obviously no. I was surprised to see someone actually suggesting that he'd fetch a blue-chipper or 1st, hence my question

Coleman is not being moved without a 1st and/or borderline blue chip prospect coming back. Too many playoffs teams have brutal cap issues. He’s making 1.8m next year, hell, if NJ retains salary his value is absolutely bonkers.

The weird part of this is Colorado is the unicorn with cap space. They have some RFA and maybe they want to make an offer to Hall.

I assume that the ex-TSN guy got a tip and ran with it in hopes of gaining relevancy. If he was with a real sports news organization he would have at most tweeted about hearing a rumor, rather than claiming it was a fact before confirming it.

 

[JrFischer54]

Seeing avs oilers bruins and an unknown team are interested in him on twitter. Don’t know how to post that

 

[TrufleShufle]

You build around Nico and Jack, not Coleman. And while he's an awesome player, a fan favourite and on a solid contract right now, if you can get a piece that helps to rebuild around those two (a good, younger NHL player or a really good prospect) then you do it. No questions. I don't really want to trade Coleman either but I'll wait to see what the return is before saying anything.

Literally no one is saying "build around Coleman," no one.

We are building around Nico and Jack, Coleman is around Nico and Jack. we are building with the Colemans, Palms and Gusevs, not around them.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Trading everyone over 28 is how you end up in a perpetual rebuild. It's okay to have older guys on your team.

Kind of weird how that was never a concern when we extended Greene ans Zajac all those years ago, yet suddenly is now.

 

[jkrdevil]

So you pick one player on the team to "build around" and the rest is cannon fodder?

No, but picking a secondary player that can walk as a free agent before the rest of the team is ready isn’t one of those players

 

[Belizarius]

Disagree.

Let's not exaggerate things here.

1 playoff win since 2012
top-4 draft pick (Larsson) traded for a superstar (Hall), the superstar traded
underwhelming 1st rounders
good developped picks like Coleman traded
underwhelming free agents signings
and the good trades (Palmieri, Vatanen) are probably going to be traded as well.

Sound a lot like the Oilers or Sabres.

 

[glenwo2]

I said this elsewhere but if Pickles ends up with Brad Marchand in Boston, he's dead to me.

 

[JrFischer54]

Trading everyone over 28 is how you end up in a perpetual rebuild. It's okay to have older guys on your team.

Kind of weird how that was never a concern when we extended Greene ans Zajac all those years ago, yet suddenly is now.

you got to pick and choose your battles.

 

[TrufleShufle]

No, but picking a secondary player that can walk as a free agent before the rest of the team is ready isn’t one of those players

He isn't pending until next year. At some point we will need secondary players.

 

[None Shall Pass]

A guy making sub-$2M in a cap world for this season and next who is an elite PKer AND scores 20+ goals a year is 100% worth at least a first or a high-end prospect.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

Normally I’d just ignore this but since he’s being precautionary scratched he’s most likely played his last game with the Devils. Just have to hope the return is optimal. If it’s the Avs I wouldn’t mind a one for one with Zadorov.

Also, I can see this false news just driving up the price for him.

 

[JrFischer54]

I said this elsewhere but if Pickles ends up with Brad Marchand in Boston, he's dead to me.

like he’s got a choice in where he goes lol

 

[Cheddabombs]

Literally no one is saying "build around Coleman," no one.

We are building around Nico and Jack, Coleman is around Nico and Jack. we are building with the Colemans, Palms and Gusevs, not around them.

There are literally 2 posts in the last 2 pages that said Coleman is a guy to build around. I don't know if they're being serious or not but they're there.

And I said I don't really want to trade Coleman either in my post, because I agree he'd be a good piece to have alongside Nico and Jack. But if the return is good enough then so be it, there's no denying Coleman's value is very high right now, perhaps the highest it'll ever be.

 

[JrFischer54]

A guy making sub-$2M in a cap world for this season and next who is an elite PKer AND scores 20+ goals a year is 100% worth at least a first or a high-end prospect.

exactly this. The fact he’s under contract cheap next year drives his return up. I see a similar package to what hall got.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I’d be really pissed if we deal him. He’s been so good. If it’s not a huge overpayment, **** off.

 

[glenwo2]

1 playoff win since 2012
top-4 draft pick (Larsson) traded foa superstar (Hall), the superstar traded
underwhelming 1st rounders
good developped picks like Coleman traded
underwhelming free agents signings
and the good trades (Palmieri, Vatanen) are probably going to be traded as well.

Sound a lot like the Oilers or Sabres.

You say tomato, I say tom-ah-to.

I don't view the Devils as the Oilers or Sabres now or EVER.

Nor do I give a rat's ass what THOSE franchises did.

Different circumstances, different management, different environment.

I am concerned only with the Devils and what they do currently; not make pointless comparisons with other teams that serve no purpose.

 

[None Shall Pass]

 

[NJDevs26]

Disagree.

Let's not exaggerate things here.

Are we? We’ll be on our fourth GM and third rebuild in less than a decade with one quickie playoff exit to show for it, we’ll okay 2.5 rebuilds cause Lou only tried to rebuild on D and in net.

 

[glenwo2]

like he’s got a choice in where he goes lol

Doesn't matter if he has a choice or not.

If he's a Bruin (or rather a Brad Marchand groupie on that team), F him.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Trading everyone over 28 is how you end up in a perpetual rebuild. It's okay to have older guys on your team.

Kind of weird how that was never a concern when we extended Greene ans Zajac all those years ago, yet suddenly is now.

I agree with this, but don't think a Coleman trade means the Devils for sure are trading guys like Gusev, Zajac, Palmieri, etc. Might just be the return justifies it.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

Also it would really suck for Coleman to be traded right when his wife is due.

 

[The Devil In I]

There are literally 2 posts in the last 2 pages that said Coleman is a guy to build around. I don't know if they're being serious or not but they're there.

And I said I don't really want to trade Coleman either in my post, because I agree he'd be a good piece to have alongside Nico and Jack. But if the return is good enough then so be it, there's no denying Coleman's value is very high right now, perhaps the highest it'll ever be.

I think this is just a semantics argument, along the lines of "is this player a bust or just a dissapointment". They're probably using "a player you build around" as in like...a valuable contributor/key part to a winning team and not along the lines of a foundational piece/generational player.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I said this elsewhere but if Pickles ends up with Brad Marchand in Boston, he's dead to me.

Doesn't matter if he has a choice or not.

If he's a Bruin (or rather a Brad Marchand groupie on that team), F him.

Quality posts..