Very possible but it's all we have to go on for an actual number.
It wouldn't surprise me if it's all a giant smokescreen and they shock everyone with a long term deal.
Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick
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Very possible but it's all we have to go on for an actual number.
It wouldn't surprise me if it's all a giant smokescreen and they shock everyone with a long term deal.
Interesting article on Perfetti's comparables:
www.sportsnet.ca
Looks like Pinto is the real outlier here on a bridge deal. Kyrou, Bratt and Necas all had comparable numbers to Perfetti and signed bridge deals for between $2.9M and $3.2M (I adjusted to use percentage of cap instead of the actual dollars since they are older deals).
Add in the reporting from Elliotte Friedman that the Jets are rejecting Pinto as a comparable and you can see why this isn't done yet.
What should RFA Cole Perfetti's next contract look like?
Winnipeg Jets training camp has started, but 22-year-old Cole Perfetti is still an RFA and not in attendance. What's the hold up? Jacob Stoller looks at some comparable contracts to make sense of what Perfetti's next deal might look like.
Looks like Pinto is the real outlier here on a bridge deal. Kyrou, Bratt and Necas all had comparable numbers to Perfetti and signed bridge deals for between $2.9M and $3.2M (I adjusted to use percentage of cap instead of the actual dollars since they are older deals).
Add in the reporting from Elliotte Friedman that the Jets are rejecting Pinto as a comparable and you can see why this isn't done yet.
Interesting article on Perfetti's comparables:
What should RFA Cole Perfetti's next contract look like?
Winnipeg Jets training camp has started, but 22-year-old Cole Perfetti is still an RFA and not in attendance. What's the hold up? Jacob Stoller looks at some comparable contracts to make sense of what Perfetti's next deal might look like.
Looks like Pinto is the real outlier here on a bridge deal. Kyrou, Bratt and Necas all had comparable numbers to Perfetti and signed bridge deals for between $2.9M and $3.2M (I adjusted to use percentage of cap instead of the actual dollars since they are older deals).
Add in the reporting from Elliotte Friedman that the Jets are rejecting Pinto as a comparable and you can see why this isn't done yet.
Those other bridge deals were inked years ago while the cap was flat. We've had roughly 10% worth of contract inflation since then. The equivalent deals using today's cap would be 3.2 million to 3.5 million which isnt that far off the Pinto deal. I expect better stuff from a credible sportscaster.
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At the end of the day, here's the most important stat:
In the 9 games prior to the demotion (sample size chosen because rhat how many games he got after the demotion but before being scratched), the Jets were 4-4-1. After the demotion they were 6-3-0
It appears that the move was best for the team
No, I did the math by percentage of cap:
Kyrou's $2.8M in 2021-22 ($81.5M cap) would be $3.02M now
Bratt's $2.75M in 2020-21 ($81.5M cap) would be $2.96M now
Necas' $3M in 2022-23 ($82.5M cap) would be $3.2M now
Even if you give him Necas' deal, and build in a 5% escalation between years 1 and 2 to account for a rising cap, he'd be at $3.36M.
Pinto's an outlier by $500k. Can see why the Jets don't like that as a comp.
Sure but the market also shifts. I think young players now are getting more then they were then. Either way it shouldn't be hard to split difference and come in at 3.4 to 3.5 million.
I mean if you want to play that game the team was 4 and 7 without him in the lineup. Seems like Bones scratching him was detrimental to the team.
How does that conversation go? “Hey Chevy, remember how Dorion was widely considered an idiot? You should be like him.”Interesting article on Perfetti's comparables:
What should RFA Cole Perfetti's next contract look like?
Winnipeg Jets training camp has started, but 22-year-old Cole Perfetti is still an RFA and not in attendance. What's the hold up? Jacob Stoller looks at some comparable contracts to make sense of what Perfetti's next deal might look like.
Looks like Pinto is the real outlier here on a bridge deal. Kyrou, Bratt and Necas all had comparable numbers to Perfetti and signed bridge deals for between $2.9M and $3.2M (I adjusted to use percentage of cap instead of the actual dollars since they are older deals).
Add in the reporting from Elliotte Friedman that the Jets are rejecting Pinto as a comparable and you can see why this isn't done yet.
No, you don’t split the difference. That would be Maple Leafs dumb. You’re just going from bad to less bad.
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His last game before being sat was 3/13 (L)
They went 3-1 during his first stint in the PB (3/15, 3/17, 3/19, 3/21)
He was reinserted for a three game stretch where the Jets lost all three (3/23, 3/24, 3/26)
He sat 2 more games (both losses - 3/28, 3/30)
He played the next 4 games (all wins 4/1, 4/4, 4/6, 4/9)
Then was sat for 3 (also all wins 4/11, 4/13, 4/16)
Then he was in for the last game of the season (win 4/18)
Not sure where you got 4-7. I have it at 6-3
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Fine with using it as your best guess. I would agree. I'm questioning your statement that we "know" that is his ask on a bridge. We don't really know anything except that he is not signed yet. All the rest, the comps, the terms, the AAV's, etc, is speculation.
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Hmm, thought he missed all 6 of that loosing streak. It seems I was mistaken.
Still the point i was trying to make was you can't learn all that much from such small samples.
Here is the much larger sample of Perfetti in the top 6 vs not top 6.
First 56 games plus the 5 he played during the last 10 games.
The team went 39-15-5 with him in the top 6. Without him in the top 6 they went 13-9-1.
I'm sure other factors played a role on things but on the whole he contributed positively in the top 6 and as we saw in the playoffs the the deadline assembled vet second line maybe wasn't what the org should have gone with.
Anyhow can we get his contract signed already.
Well the Guenther deal might by why Chevy and Arniel is talking about a 22 man roster and the cap. He's going to get $7 million aav after spending nearly half the year last year in the AHL.
More and more the comps aren't looking great for Chevy. If they want Cole on a long term deal it's going to be well over $6 million for 7 or 8 years.
More and more the comps aren't looking great for Chevy. If they want Cole on a long term deal it's going to be well over $6 million for 7 or 8 years.
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Despite spending half the year in the AHL, he nearly outscored Perfetti. To me that’s a pretty good comp for the Jets. Puts an 8 year deal for Perfetti around 6.5
It helps to play on a non playoff team that is ok feeding you minutes down the stretch. But yes I don't believe Cole can get $7 million but it definitely puts him in the 6.5 to 6.75 million range on that length of deal.
I feel that Utah are jumping the gun a bit on such a small sample size.
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He has three accrued years to date. The first year 18 games isn’t enough on its own but he was on IR for the remainder of the season which counts as on the roster. Therefore Aavco Cup and Puckpedia are wrong and the team has 4 years of control left.
Stoller is carrying the Jets water and getting out “their” message. Those contracts are not relevant. Pinto and Mercer and Gunther are relevant.
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Yup, pretty much every young player has been overpaid vs what the past comps/those contract predictors have come up with this summer.
Funny that the Jets don't know whatvthey have in Cole but 45 games in garbage time for Guenther is enough to give him $56 million lol.
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Small sample sizes. It is like looking at teams records while star players are injured. IIRC Pens were better without Crosby a few years back - and it had added up to quite a few games at the time too.
Raises a question for the stats experts. Do a bunch of small samples taken at random but separate times add up to a large sample?
Just like our record was like 12 and 2 or something without Connor? I don't think one player matters enough to make this a valid comparison..
Or the notorious Penguins winning record w/o Crosby.
Perfetti's (any minute now plz) deal should clarify what the org thinks he's worth, and why.
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Burmi, AHL Copp, Kane with no brain, VersaLaine, Joke-a none, they all got special treatment so why shouldn’t Perfetan!So much for my prediction of a kinder and supportive Sip this season
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Hes saving for pionks 7.5m extension
Guenther didn't take a 20 game nap in the middle of his season.
