Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[snowkiddin]

No, the coach has a player who has 2 points in his last 21 games playing in his top 6. How much more of a leash does any player deserve before the coach has to do something? It might be his confidence or he hasn't adjusted to the riggers of the NHL schedule. It's doesn't matter. Something needs to be done about it.

Think you also just described Iafallo

 

[TS Quint]

I mean, he had plenty of talent when carrying the second line the first half of the year. He hit a slump, happens to everyone especially young players. That isn't a matter of talent, but a matter of confidence and experience imo.

Seguin as rookie wasn't put on the fourth line due to maturity, he was there due to Boston having a deep team and wanting to win a cup.

Same thing, coach wanted his vets to play more so they could win. No difference.

No. If Seguin was put in Boston's top 6 his talent would have allowed him to produce. You see that in his second year. Perfetti got 20 games of giving absolutely nothing in the top 6 before Bones moved him down. That's a long leash for a vet nevermind a young player.

There seems to be confusion between potential and reality.

 

[DRW204]

Think you also just described Iafallo

Neither are top 6 worthy right now, and the Jets got a better winger who should supplant both.

 

[surixon]

No. If Seguin was put in Boston's top 6 his talent would have allowed him to produce. You see that in his second year. Perfetti got 20 games of giving absolutely nothing in the top 6 before Bones moved him down. That's a long leash for a vet nevermind a young player.

There seems to be confusion between potential and reality.

Actually it was only 11 games. He had 7 points in his prior 9 games before his last 11 games in the top 6. So yeah pretty much the same length of slump as pretty much all current players on our second line.

 

[TS Quint]

I mean, he had plenty of talent when carrying the second line the first half of the year. He hit a slump, happens to everyone especially young players. That isn't a matter of talent, but a matter of confidence and experience imo.

Seguin as rookie wasn't put on the fourth line due to maturity, he was there due to Boston having a deep team and wanting to win a cup.

Same thing, coach wanted his vets to play more so they could win. No difference.

You think the Bruins traded Seguin for Louis Eriksson because Seguin was fitting in so well?

 

[surixon]

You think the Bruins traded Seguin for Louis Eriksson because Seguin was fitting in so well?

He clearly wasn't after 3 years. But they did try for those 3 years. If maturity was the reason, then why after his rookie year was he in the top 6 producing. Clearly his maturity hadn't improved, yet low and behold his usage did after some players ahead of him left.

 

[Flair Hay]

Sucks for Cole he was pretty solid this year overall. Every player has ups and downs, young guys even more so.

He is a top six, just not a top line guy like you need everyone to be on a contender top six

 

[TS Quint]

Actually it was only 11 games. He had 7 points in his prior 9 games before his last 11 games in the top 6. So yeah pretty much the same length of slump as pretty much all current players on our second line.

"Only 11 games"... Jesus. Bones should just let that line continue to suck forever because he might hurt Perfetti's feeling.

 

[TS Quint]

He clearly wasn't after 3 years. But they did try for those 3 years. If maturity was the reason, then why after his rookie year was he in the top 6 producing. Clearly his maturity hadn't improved, yet low and behold his usage did after some players ahead of him left.

Lol what are you on? Perfetti hasn't been given any rope to hang himself with? Seguin's talent dictated his usage. Just like Perfetti.

 

[surixon]

"Only 11 games"... Jesus. Bones should just let that line continue to suck forever because he might hurt Perfetti's feeling.

So what's Bones excuse then for leaving the current iteration of that line together. They suck but they get to keep sucking because they are vets.

Same thing happened with KC last year who stunk up the joint the entire second half of the year but kept getting top 6 minutes. Ditto for Dubois.

Lowry and Appelton also stunk the entire second half last year and didn't get their minutes cut.

Double standard is a double standard. But coaches really only have the guts to scratch young players. Which imo isn't guts at all.

Lol what are you on? Perfetti hasn't been given any rope to hang himself with? Seguin's talent dictated his usage. Just like Perfetti.

It didn't his rookie year. He posted 22 points in 70 plus games. You are missing my point.

 

[NikoEhlers]

He's been on the fourth line for roughly 10 of those 21 games. Noone is producing points on that line. Namestnikov didn't, neither did Iafallo. Heck Iafallo has 1 point in 10 games on line 2 that isn't an en point. I think Perfetti is getting signaled out for a much larger problem with this team.

One thing is stats, another thing is how a line looks. The moment he was taken off the line, it started looking better. And we are talking not one game but a handfull of games. First and third line wasnt gonna be changed.

I doubt it is as much about the points for Bones, its probably moreso the defence when you look at who he put in his place. Perfetti lost a step during the season and it did impact his ability to defend as well as earlier. He will get back and be stronger next season. Bones will be preparing a defensively strong 4th line now.

I dont think its such a massive failure for him, that some are making it out to be in here. Its his second season and the Jets top 6 looks really deep. But he needs to stay ready if there are injury problems in the top 6. He is not getting in to bottom 6 in the playoffs in Bones system. He never had a chance of getting in to bottom 6. They wanted to give him as many games as possible, but the decision was made earlier im sure.

 

[ecolad]

He's been on the fourth line for roughly 10 of those 21 games. Noone is producing points on that line. Namestnikov didn't, neither did Iafallo. Heck Iafallo has 1 point in 10 games on line 2 that isn't an en point. I think Perfetti is getting signaled out for a much larger problem with this team.

Agreed. But most would agree that he shouldn`t be a 4th line RW, especially as the games get more intense/physical at season end and playoffs. Teams seem to be getting more and more committed to big,fast ,high-energy lines, for the 4th line, as evidenced by Colorado`s recent make-over. This is not a situation for Perfetti.

The issue here is the very limited opportunity for a player with Perfetti`s attributes/skills to fit into Bowness`s vision of "Jet`s hockey". The way he has structured the team, there is realistically only one slot for Perfetti to contribute and that`s as 2nd line RW. And now, with Ehlers/Monahan pencilled in, Bones is probably looking for a RW who will enable the line to play closer to the style he advocates. He therefore is looking for a player who is positionally conscious and competent along the boards in the defensive zone, and, who is a relentless forechecker and puck pursuit guy in the offensive zone. Perfetti ain`t that type of player to be sure but imo Toffalli is not that type of player either - he has significant strengths but getting on the forecheck is not one of them. It will be very interesting to see how this unfolds to be sure.

 

[surixon]

Agreed. But most would agree that he shouldn`t be a 4th line RW, especially as the games get more intense/physical at season end and playoffs. Teams seem to be getting more and more committed to big,fast ,high-energy lines, for the 4th line, as evidenced by Colorado`s recent make-over. This is not a situation for Perfetti.

The issue here is the very limited opportunity for a player with Perfetti`s attributes/skills to fit into Bowness`s vision of "Jet`s hockey". The way he has structured the team, there is realistically only one slot for Perfetti to contribute and that`s as 2nd line RW. And now, with Ehlers/Monahan pencilled in, Bones is probably looking for a RW who will enable the line to play closer to the style he advocates. He therefore is looking for a player who is positionally conscious and competent along the boards in the defensive zone, and, who is a relentless forechecker and puck pursuit guy in the offensive zone. Perfetti ain`t that type of player to be sure but imo Toffalli is not that type of player either - he has significant strengths but getting on the forecheck is not one of them. It will be very interesting to see how this unfolds to be sure.

This is a whole other issue, yet a other coach completely fixated on narrowly defined roles.

 

[Flair Hay]

This is a whole other issue, yet a other coach completely fixated on narrowly defined roles.

Yeah guys like Seguin and Spezza have been healthy scratched on grrwt teams because their coaches didn't trust them in a 4th line role.

Coaches just don't ever go with guys like Perfetti that are young and struggling to crack the lineup

 

[Buffdog]

This is a whole other issue, yet a other coach completely fixated on narrowly defined roles.

Yeah almost like in baseball where managers love "narrowly defined roles" like a shortstop with a great glove or a right fielder with a cannon of an arm over a player with a higher batting average who can't field

Or a good blocking fullback in football who doesn't carry the ball

Iafallo brings things to a line that Cole doesn't. Predominatly, he's a puck hound in the offensive zone who can extend time there by being first to loose pucks or stripping players in the corner

I love Cole to death but if he isn't scoring, he isn't bringing a whole lot to the line up at this point. I'm sure it will turn around for him. This is his first full season since he's been drafted due to injuries and covid bullshit. His development arc is unique in that way.

 

[surixon]

Yeah almost like in baseball where managers love "narrowly defined roles" like a shortstop with a great glove or a right fielder with a cannon of an arm over a player with a higher batting average who can't field

Or a good blocking fullback in football who doesn't carry the ball

Iafallo brings things to a line that Cole doesn't. Predominatly, he's a puck hound in the offensive zone who can extend time there by being first to loose pucks or stripping players in the corner

I love Cole to death but if he isn't scoring, he isn't bringing a whole lot to the line up at this point. I'm sure it will turn around for him. This is his first full season since he's been drafted due to injuries and covid bullshit. His development arc is unique in that way.

I mean Cole still has some of the best defensive metrics on the team. So I think it's false that he doesn't bring much when not scoring.

But yeah he's had an odd arc but other coaches can find ways of getting young players into lineups such as Dallas.

 

[MardyBum]

What a read.

 

[snowkiddin]

What a read.

Thanks for flagging.

I want to take this opportunity to thank my elementary school teachers for helping me learn to read so that I could enjoy this thread. Yet another victory for the Manitoba Education System.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah almost like in baseball where managers love "narrowly defined roles" like a shortstop with a great glove or a right fielder with a cannon of an arm over a player with a higher batting average who can't field

Or a good blocking fullback in football who doesn't carry the ball

Iafallo brings things to a line that Cole doesn't. Predominatly, he's a puck hound in the offensive zone who can extend time there by being first to loose pucks or stripping players in the corner

I love Cole to death but if he isn't scoring, he isn't bringing a whole lot to the line up at this point. I'm sure it will turn around for him. This is his first full season since he's been drafted due to injuries and covid bullshit. His development arc is unique in that way.

This is a nice add to the discussion too bad @MartyBum is trying to cancel your response with his fake laughter.

 

[Buffdog]

This is a nice add to the discussion too bad @MartyBum is trying to cancel your response with his fake laughter.

I'm used to it by now. It's all you can do when someone brings up facts that are hard to dispute.

@Dale53130 and I and many others ran into the exact same shit with the Ehlers discussion... some people just don't have the mental and intellectual security to say something as simple as "gee, I never really looked at it from that point of view. I'm going to have to re-think my stance on this"

In my experience, a hallmark of an intelligent person is being open minded and willing to admit when they're wrong

 

[snowkiddin]

I'm used to it by now. It's all you can do when someone brings up facts that are hard to dispute.

@Dale53130 and I and many others ran into the exact same shit with the Ehlers discussion... some people just don't have the mental and intellectual security to say something as simple as "gee, I never really looked at it from that point of view. I'm going to have to re-think my stance on this"

In my experience, a hallmark of an intelligent person is being open minded and willing to admit when they're wrong

My haha reaction is not directed towards you or your take, but is instead being levied so I can showcase myself as an unintelligent person

 

[Heldig]

His struggles this quarter of the season reminds me we picked Perfetti over Winnipeg native Seth Jarvis.

 

[NA Hockey]

His struggles this quarter of the season reminds me we picked Perfetti over Winnipeg native Seth Jarvis.

Perfetti was better before the draft and at the draft. The last quarter, or 20 games doesn’t change a lot. There are many chapters before you can definitely say who is better or had the better career.

 

[Atoyot]

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[Atoyot]

Nope. Just going to exercise the ignore function.