Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[ello]

Perfetti stylistically and production wise reminds me a lot of Dylan Strome. Productive and talented and a very noticeable lack of foot speed

 

[Buffdog]

Nope. Just going to exercise the ignore function.

Nope. Just going to exercise the ignore function.

He's the guy that announces on Facebook that he's gonna leave Facebook lol

 

[pegcity]

The good news about his not so great second half is he'll get bridged and won't cost more than 2-4 million.

 

[Heldig]

Perfetti was better before the draft and at the draft. The last quarter, or 20 games doesn’t change a lot. There are many chapters before you can definitely say who is better or had the better career.

Obviously it s too early to rate careers - and it is not what I was doing - but it is interesting to look back and see how the draft went and where players are now.

And right now Perfetti is struggling mightily and Jarvis is thriving.

 

[Channelcat]

He's got 130 games under his belt. That's not alot. This kids going to have a long productive NHL career. If he's 50-60 point guy, that's just fine.

 

[surixon]

Obviously it s too early to rate careers - and it is not what I was doing - but it is interesting to look back and see how the draft went and where players are now.

And right now Perfetti is struggling mightily and Jarvis is thriving.

Jarvis also got the benefit of a coach that stuck with him on the top line and top pp unit. This even during times of struggle like last year and early this year.

Very different development opportunities provided to each player. But I think Cole is having a very similar year to what Jarvis had last year in what I'd peg as each players second year.

Jarvis has turned into a great young player with the opportunities Brindamour provided him. We shall see if Bones/Jets path with Cole can yield similar results next year. I have Cole a year behind in development due to his injuries the past few seasons whereas Jarvis stayed healthy and got full seasons.

 

[sipowicz]

Perfetti’s lack of quickness is his biggest issue, it become glaring after the Christmas break, he became ineffective when the league ramped up at the time as it always does!

 

[Weezeric]

Jarvis also got the benefit of a coach that stuck with him on the top line and top pp unit. This even during times of struggle like last year and early this year.

Very different development opportunities provided to each player. But I think Cole is having a very similar year to what Jarvis had last year in what I'd peg as each players second year.

Jarvis has turned into a great young player with the opportunities Brindamour provided him. We shall see if Bones/Jets path with Cole can yield similar results next year. I have Cole a year behind in development due to his injuries the past few seasons whereas Jarvis stayed healthy and got full seasons.

Jarvis 5v5 time on ice over his first two seasons, 150 games played, was 12:44 per game. Perfetti has played 130 games over three seasons and averaged 12:11 mins per game. Next season should be the time Perfetti really takes off.

 

[surixon]

Jarvis 5v5 time on ice over his first two seasons, 150 games played, was 12:44 per game. Perfetti has played 130 games over three seasons and averaged 12:11 mins per game. Next season should be the time Perfetti really takes off.

Yup, I expect what has happened the second half is really going to motivate him this offseason. Not that I think he needed it, but extra mot9vation never hurt.

 

[DRW204]

He's got 130 games under his belt. That's not alot. This kids going to have a long productive NHL career. If he's 50-60 point guy, that's just fine.

Agreed. people are so quick with ridiculous labels in either direction off so little gp.

Obviously it s too early to rate careers - and it is not what I was doing - but it is interesting to look back and see how the draft went and where players are now.

And right now Perfetti is struggling mightily and Jarvis is thriving.

never to early on HF! there were posts calling him comparable to scheifele after his first season, then comparable to HOFer or other long-time star players, & petan on the other end of the spectrum. in general i think ppl just need to chill a bit on prospects and let them play and rate/comment as they go along b/c there's so many long-term variables, contextual factors and ebb and flows. but that's my POV. compare his early season posts to now even: star, 70pt player... he'd be lucky to hit 40 it seems like.

 

[Huffer]

Personally I'm not worried about Perfetti. Some of this reminds me of the Morrissey talk from a few years ago where there were many who thought he was a bust and wanted to get rid of him.

IMO he's had much more very good stretches of play vs struggling stretches. But the Jets currently have a very good forward group and are trying to win a cup. There will be a few players that won't be playing each night that are starting quality forwards. Personally I would try and find a spot for Perfetti, but I can see why some coaches don't in these circumstances.

He's going to be an important part of the team for many years IMO.

 

[surixon]

Personally I'm not worried about Perfetti. Some of this reminds me of the Morrissey talk from a few years ago where there were many who thought he was a bust and wanted to get rid of him.

IMO he's had much more very good stretches of play vs struggling stretches. But the Jets currently have a very good forward group and are trying to win a cup. There will be a few players that won't be playing each night that are starting quality forwards. Personally I would try and find a spot for Perfetti, but I can see why some coaches don't in these circumstances.

He's going to be an important part of the team for many years IMO.

For some positives:
-He's definitely stronger and more durable this year. He's shown signs of real good puck shielding and protection skills.
-For the talk about skating, he still has burst data in the top 20% of the league so when he gets moving He's definitely fast enough. What he continues to need to work on is his first three steps and acceleration.
-Showed that he could beat NHL goalies with his shot.
-Was able to drive his own line the first half of the year.

Stamina and consistency are what he needs to work on and after a full season he'll be much more prepared for one next season.

 

[DRW204]

Nope. Just going to exercise the ignore function.

1am post and 3am edit? (assuming you're in central time)

HF keeping you awake?

 

[Finster8]

Bottom line let’s hope he can find his game and play up to where he was before slumping. It is up to Coach and GM to get him going again. Nothing we say is changing their minds

 

[Jet]

Oh I agree. It's not at all how I would do it, but it seems Chevy is allowing Bones to Bones.

He's been able to get his way all year. Cole off center, Cole playing lower minutes even when shooting the lights out, Cole demoted for a cold spell, now Cole out of the lineup and vets brought in.

I also think there definitely could be ramifications as I can't believe Cole is at all happy with how this has gone for him. Obviously some is on him for not maintaining his production and play, but this is a coach that really hasn't put much trust in him even when playing excellent hockey.

I think we worry about it a lot more than Cole does.

While I'm sure he is unhappy with how the second half of the year has gone, I'm sure he's also acutely aware that he isn't producing that's why he is where he is.

The Jets are in win now mode so they have to do whatever advances that goal. That's not to say I agree wth everything they've done, but I understand that's why they're doing it.

Finally, Cole is hardly the first young player to go through this. He's still getting adjusted to the grind of the nhl. Development is rarely linear

 

[Channelcat]

Personally I'm not worried about Perfetti. Some of this reminds me of the Morrissey talk from a few years ago where there were many who thought he was a bust and wanted to get rid of him.

IMO he's had much more very good stretches of play vs struggling stretches. But the Jets currently have a very good forward group and are trying to win a cup. There will be a few players that won't be playing each night that are starting quality forwards. Personally I would try and find a spot for Perfetti, but I can see why some coaches don't in these circumstances.

He's going to be an important part of the team for many years IMO.

I was one of those guys wondering about Morrissey.... probably called him a bust. I think it was his d+2 season he just looked awful and completely lost.

 

[surixon]

I think we worry about it a lot more than Cole does.

While I'm sure he is unhappy with how the second half of the year has gone, I'm sure he's also acutely aware that he isn't producing that's why he is where he is.

The Jets are in win now mode so they have to do whatever advances that goal. That's not to say I agree wth everything they've done, but I understand that's why they're doing it.

Finally, Cole is hardly the first young player to go through this. He's still getting adjusted to the grind of the nhl. Development is rarely linear

Yeah, as some have pointed out even players like Spezza were benched by similar type coaches early on in their careers. He's actually tracking very similar to former Jet Little, who's production and play was up and down his first 5 years in the league before turning into a consistient 2 way 60 point C for his prime. I wouldn't be at all upset if that is who Perfetti turns into in another couple of years.

He looks to be back in tonight, with Name as his C and on a second pp unit with Fly. So hopefully he can play more his game and get a point or two.

 

[pegcity]

Scheifele was a bad third line centre at the same age folks

 

[Jet]

Yeah, as some have pointed out even players like Spezza were benched by similar type coaches early on in their careers. He's actually tracking very similar to former Jet Little, who's production and play was up and down his first 5 years in the league before turning into a consistient 2 way 60 point C for his prime. I wouldn't be at all upset if that is who Perfetti turns into in another couple of years.

He looks to be back in tonight, with Name as his C and on a second pp unit with Fly. So hopefully he can play more his game and get a point or two.

I'm so rooting for him to have a productive game to get his mojo back. We all know he can do it, we've seen it.

Scheifele was a bad third line centre at the same age folks

Oh good old bambi.

I remember him getting roasted on here for not being able to stay on his feet, being a slow skater etc etc.

Morrissey as pointed out earlier was a similar thing - and now he's simply magnificent. One of the very best in the league.

 

[TS Quint]

For some positives:
-He's definitely stronger and more durable this year. He's shown signs of real good puck shielding and protection skills.
-For the talk about skating, he still has burst data in the top 20% of the league so when he gets moving He's definitely fast enough. What he continues to need to work on is his first three steps and acceleration.
-Showed that he could beat NHL goalies with his shot.
-Was able to drive his own line the first half of the year.

Stamina and consistency are what he needs to work on and after a full season he'll be much more prepared for one next season.

Are there stats to show he was driving that line?

 

[surixon]

Are there stats to show he was driving that line?

He had the most points on that line and some of the best metrics on the team. So if that isn't driving it then I don't know what is.

 

[TS Quint]

Bottom line let’s hope he can find his game and play up to where he was before slumping. It is up to Coach and GM to get him going again. Nothing we say is changing their minds

90% is on Perfetti. His coach has expectations and he needs to meet them. It’s not up to the world to make Perfetti better. It’s up to Perfetti to do that.

 

[TS Quint]

I mean Cole still has some of the best defensive metrics on the team. So I think it's false that he doesn't bring much when not scoring.

But yeah he's had an odd arc but other coaches can find ways of getting young players into lineups such as Dallas.

How ironic…. You are giving props to Dallas for integrating young players into the line up while shitting on Bones.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

i don't see his TOI or situation being much different now w/ toffoli in the fold. he was getting scratched/4th line for iafallo, now a superior player has been added. doubt he will see or is really a fit for lowry's line either.

Today's lineup has Iafallo with Money and Toffoli and Perfetti on the 4th line again. This is getting ridiculous. It would be different if Iafallo was producing, but after a good start he is doing near nothing for about the last 30 games. Perfetti has outscored him by a wide margin on the season in spite of his drought. Perfetti is still mostly playing well but he is not going to thrive or develop on the 4th line. Meanwhile, the Money line needs someone better than Iafallo.

Line two is going to be reconfigured next week anyway - I think this was coming and Bones simply moved up the timeline by a game.
I think the org knows what they are doing - and I'd assume it's more than Bones in on this when you consider this is a fairly high profile prospect that was drafted high - they are not going to make any decisions in a silo.
When you add a couple of guys to your top 6, unfortunately, there will be casualties - Cole will be fine and is a big part of the org's future.

When/if healthy Ehlers will be on line 2 dropping Iafallo down to the 4th. That pushes Perf to the PB. Iafallo is the one who should sit.

 

[Upperdeckjet]

I'll be cheering for Cole tonight, but I think we all agree that the 4th line is not optimal. Also, for me, I enjoy a 4th line that is heavy and fast.

As mentioned above, once Vilardi is back, one has to consider that there really isn't a spot for him where he can be effective. He needs to play and I'm really warming to the idea of strengthening the Moose roster with his talents for their playoff push.