Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[FonRiesen]

There's a coach in the league that doesn't want his top Cs to win 50% or more face-offs...?

It's pretty obvious that wanting =/= requiring in their argument.

I personally doubt that Bowness would use this is a primary reason not to use Perfetti as a top 2 C, but let's not strawman those that make the argument.

I *hope* Perfetti gets developed as a C; I also believe Bowness isn't as 'old school' as some here are saying. If he puts him on the W, I'm guessing it'll be because he thinks the replacement will make fewer mistakes in that position, maybe wants Cole to get more physically mature, etc - but still wants him to be in the top 6 to get minutes.

 

[surixon]

It's pretty obvious that wanting =/= requiring in their argument.

I personally doubt that Bowness would use this is a primary reason not to use Perfetti as a top 2 C, but let's not strawman those that make the argument.

I *hope* Perfetti gets developed as a C; I also believe Bowness isn't as 'old school' as some here are saying. If he puts him on the W, I'm guessing it'll be because he thinks the replacement will make fewer mistakes in that position, maybe wants Cole to get more physically mature, etc - but still wants him to be in the top 6 to get minutes.

The fact that the GM and Cole are openly talking about him playing center would lead me to believe conversations have been held between him and the coaching staff about it. I'd wager they have given Cole homework for it this summer. My guess he and Vilardi get long looks as the org is probably going to need both as full time centers in 24/25.

 

[ps241]

I wouldn't worry too much about this point -
I do think Bones (and many coaches for that matter), would prefer decent face off numbers with their bottom 6 (and especially 4th line) centers with the D zone FO's they are taking.
Staying healthy will be the biggest impacting factor on his success -

I also don't get the "coach from this era" stuff on Bones - as if Bones is unable to analyze the game beyond FO%.

Bones is perfectly capable of analyzing the game. I will believe it when I see it if Perfetti remains at centre if he is struggling in the face off dot for a prolonged period.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

It's pretty obvious that wanting =/= requiring in their argument.

I personally doubt that Bowness would use this is a primary reason not to use Perfetti as a top 2 C, but let's not strawman those that make the argument.

I *hope* Perfetti gets developed as a C; I also believe Bowness isn't as 'old school' as some here are saying. If he puts him on the W, I'm guessing it'll be because he thinks the replacement will make fewer mistakes in that position, maybe wants Cole to get more physically mature, etc - but still wants him to be in the top 6 to get minutes.

The team seems trapped in a 3rd line checking line and 4th line low minutes/speed line... but I think the best long term option is to platoon Vilardi/Scheif as C on the top line like we did with PLD and then have Perfetti centre a third line while he gets his confidence

Connor-Vilardi-Scheif
Ehlers-Names-Nino
Iafallo-Perfetti-Kupari
Barron-Lowry-Apples

I just can't see the team committing to cycling four lines... ever really. But this would give Perfetti two big wingers for the first 20 games... then you move him up into the top six.

 

[ps241]

The fact that the GM and Cole are openly talking about him playing center would lead me to believe conversations have been held between him and the coaching staff about it. I'd wager they have given Cole homework for it this summer. My guess he and Vilardi get long looks as the org is probably going to need both as full time centers in 24/25.

If either Cole or Gabe develop into a solid 2nd line centre it would be big.

 

[surixon]

If either Cole or Gabe develop into a solid 2nd line centre it would be big.

I think that is a must if this org hopes to compete in the near term post this season. They may need both to successfully convert to be a playoff team.

 

[ps241]

I think that is a must if this org hopes to compete in the near term post this season. They may need both to successfully convert to be a playoff team.

We’ll see how it plays out. I think it might be best if this team accidentally has a bad season or two to get a great pick or two while “not” rebuilding.

 

[surixon]

We’ll see how it plays out. I think it might be best if this team accidentally has a bad season or two to get a great pick or two while “not” rebuilding.

I wouldn't be against that either.

 

[FonRiesen]

The team seems trapped in a 3rd line checking line and 4th line low minutes/speed line... but I think the best long term option is to platoon Vilardi/Scheif as C on the top line like we did with PLD and then have Perfetti centre a third line while he gets his confidence

Connor-Vilardi-Scheif
Ehlers-Names-Nino
Iafallo-Perfetti-Kupari
Barron-Lowry-Apples

I just can't see the team committing to cycling four lines... ever really. But this would give Perfetti two big wingers for the first 20 games... then you move him up into the top six.

I'd love a 4 line cycle, but yeah, not holding my breath.

Perfetti needs a sniper or another smart playmaker on the wing - maybe Iafallo works for that, not sure... Last year Cole was dishing out elite passes that surprised even our top guys at times...

 

[DRW204]

I'd love a 4 line cycle, but yeah, not holding my breath.

Perfetti needs a sniper or another smart playmaker on the wing - maybe Iafallo works for that, not sure... Last year Cole was dishing out elite passes that surprised even our top guys at times...

The third line did perform better with Nino in the fold last year. However, I think ninos minutes and skillset might be better served higher up the lineup.

At the end of the day one of vilardi or perfetti may have to be a PPG+ 1C with solid two way play as soon as 24-25. I don't care who it is but it is paramount one of them shows glimpses this season.

 

[KingBogo]

I'd love a 4 line cycle, but yeah, not holding my breath.

Perfetti needs a sniper or another smart playmaker on the wing - maybe Iafallo works for that, not sure... Last year Cole was dishing out elite passes that surprised even our top guys at times...

No team ever rolls a true 4 line cycle unless they are comfortably ahead. Deeper teams are more balanced and can do it more often, but anytime a team is chasing a game the more offensively skilled players get their ice time increased. The Jets chase a lot of games, so I wouldn't expect us rolling 4 lines anytime soon.

 

[Heldig]

The team seems trapped in a 3rd line checking line and 4th line low minutes/speed line... but I think the best long term option is to platoon Vilardi/Scheif as C on the top line like we did with PLD and then have Perfetti centre a third line while he gets his confidence

Connor-Vilardi-Scheif
Ehlers-Names-Nino
Iafallo-Perfetti-Kupari
Barron-Lowry-Apples

I just can't see the team committing to cycling four lines... ever really. But this would give Perfetti two big wingers for the first 20 games... then you move him up into the top six.

My hope (not expectation) is Connor gets sheltered on the third line with lots of PP minutes. Spread the O over 3 lines.

Niederreiter - Scheifele - Ehlers
Iafallo - Perfetti - Vilardi
Connor - Lowry - Appleton
Barron - Namestnikov - Kupari

 

[Whileee]

No team ever rolls a true 4 line cycle unless they are comfortably ahead. Deeper teams are more balanced and can do it more often, but anytime a team is chasing a game the more offensively skilled players get their ice time increased. The Jets chase a lot of games, so I wouldn't expect us rolling 4 lines anytime soon.

It doesn't make sense to truly roll 4 lines. No team has equally good talent through their top 12 forwards. So it's rational to play the best forwards more, while avoiding over-playing them. That's the main issue.

 

[KingBogo]

My hope (not expectation) is Connor gets sheltered on the third line with lots of PP minutes. Spread the O over 3 lines.

Niederreiter - Scheifele - Ehlers
Iafallo - Perfetti - Vilardi
Connor - Lowry - Appleton
Barron - Namestnikov - Kupari

You just put our best natural goal scorer with 2 players with limited puck skills and even more limited offensive vision. Turning Connor from a 40+ goal player to a 20 goal guy will chase him out of town quicker then anything else imaginable.

Edit: if this was the actual plan you are far better off trading Connor at his max value with 3 years of team control over driving his value into the ground while making him hate his situation.

 

[KingBogo]

It doesn't make sense to truly roll 4 lines. No team has equally good talent through their top 12 forwards. So it's rational to play the best forwards more, while avoiding over-playing them. That's the main issue.

Agreed 100% but that is far easier to find that balance of not over playing players on deep teams over bubble teams. The Jets historically have been one of the hardest teams to balance out minutes. We are almost always a bubble team who chases a lot of games that has had a weak bottom 6 season after season with only a couple notable exceptions.

 

[surixon]

You just put our best natural goal scorer with 2 players with limited puck skills and even more limited offensive vision. Turning Connor from a 40+ goal player to a 20 goal guy will chase him out of town quicker then anything else imaginable.

Edit: if this was the actual plan you are far better off trading Connor at his max value with 3 years of team control over driving his value into the ground while making him hate his situation.

Yup, put Conner with Cole and Vilardi in a more offensive deployment setup. Both Cole and Vilardi play good defense and can cover that aspect.

It also gives Cole two triggerman to play with.

Nino Scheifele Ehlers also gives Mark a play driver and a two way guy to play with so he can concentrate more on what he's good at and that's driving offense in the offensive zone.

 

[KingBogo]

Yup, put Conner with Cole and Vilardi in a more offensive deployment setup. Both Cole and Vilardi play good defense and can cover that aspect.

It also gives Cole two triggerman to play with.

Nino Scheifele Ehlers also gives Mark a play driver and a two way guy to play with so he can concentrate more on what he's good at and that's driving offense in the offensive zone.

Agreed there are a lot of ways to configure our top 6 and I expect to see several variations over the season that actually include our best 6 players. I am looking forward to the next step from Perfetti and seeing what we actually have in Valardi.

 

[Buffdog]

The third line did perform better with Nino in the fold last year. However, I think ninos minutes and skillset might be better served higher up the lineup.

At the end of the day one of vilardi or perfetti may have to be a PPG+ 1C with solid two way play as soon as 24-25. I don't care who it is but it is paramount one of them shows glimpses this season.

That's way too much of an ask.. how many PPG 2 way centres actually exist?

On the other hand, I think it's more likely that they both develop into 60+ point centres who are responsible defensively.

It will be interesting to see where they play Lucious and Lambert on the moose this year. If one of them cuts it at C, we could be 2 or 3 years away from centre depth that is solid if not spectacular, with enough skill on the wings to run three legit, young scoring lines

OR, they could all suck at centre and we're f***ed for a decade lol

 

[DRW204]

That's way too much of an ask.. how many PPG 2 way centres actually exist?

On the other hand, I think it's more likely that they both develop into 60+ point centres who are responsible defensively.

It will be interesting to see where they play Lucious and Lambert on the moose this year. If one of them cuts it at C, we could be 2 or 3 years away from centre depth that is solid if not spectacular, with enough skill on the wings to run three legit, young scoring lines

OR, they could all suck at centre and we're f***ed for a decade lol

By solid two way play id say positives at 5v5 while thriving at the center position, not Selke level guys.

Perhaps a tad high so I'll concede a bit... Quick tally off nhl.com - 17 centers achieved PPG last year with another 3 at 0.99ppg. Let's say 0.85ppg (70 pts /82 gp), that would probably put them in the top-32 for C production.

Ideally both of them likely need to be around there. Last year's cup winner had players achieving PPGs of 0.99, 0.80 and 0.65 down the middle.

 

[Heldig]

You just put our best natural goal scorer with 2 players with limited puck skills and even more limited offensive vision. Turning Connor from a 40+ goal player to a 20 goal guy will chase him out of town quicker then anything else imaginable.

Edit: if this was the actual plan you are far better off trading Connor at his max value with 3 years of team control over driving his value into the ground while making him hate his situation.

Although I said Appleton I would prefer if a more talented option was there on RW. Counting a bit on chemistry. I think Lowry is a bit better than you suggest. He did have 23 assists last year playing (6th among forwards on the team).

Besides, Connor gets a ton of points on the PP and he would still be a mainstay on the 1st unit. 29 PP points last year. That should stay the same.

Also, lines do not stay static through a game let alone a season. Coaches move players around depending on who is hot, who is not, game situation etc.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It doesn't make sense to truly roll 4 lines. No team has equally good talent through their top 12 forwards. So it's rational to play the best forwards more, while avoiding over-playing them. That's the main issue.

And also avoiding overplaying the least talented players. But a deeper team can come much closer to rolling 4 lines. It can also spread the top scorers out over more lines and cover for their defensive gaps by spreading out the strong defensive players.

Just start by separating Scheif and KFC is progress.

 

[MardyBum]

 

[BoneDocUK]

Perfetti gets a mention in the league's best of under 23 at #55 -- albeit as a "Tier 7" bubble / top line player., with speed and health concerns Here's hoping he reads this and smashes his way up those tiers...

https://theathletic.com/4805966/2023/08/28/nhl-players-prospects-under-23-connor-bedard/

55

Cole Perfetti​

LW

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WPG
DOB:
1/1/2002
Ht:
5' 11"
Wt:
184
Shoots:
L
Draft:
#10 - 2020

Profile
When healthy, Perfetti has been an impressive young NHL player for the Jets. His skill and especially his vision stand out at the NHL level. He has the patience and IQ to run an NHL power play and score a lot of points. His frame and skating are concerns, though. He’s not that fast, and at 5-foot-11 that is more pronounced. The multiple recent injuries are also a minor concern when discussing his frame. However, I do think Perfetti can be a good top six wing in the NHL and he’s still on track for that.
Photo:
David Kirouac / USA Today
Skill Grades

High end vision
Puck skills and compete above average
Shot below average (??!!)
Skating below average

TIER 7
LW
WPG

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Perfetti gets a mention in the league's best of under 23 at #55 -- albeit as a "Tier 7" bubble / top line player., with speed and health concerns Here's hoping he reads this and smashes his way up those tiers...

https://theathletic.com/4805966/2023/08/28/nhl-players-prospects-under-23-connor-bedard/

55

Cole Perfetti​

LW

---

WPG
DOB:
1/1/2002
Ht:
5' 11"
Wt:
184
Shoots:
L
Draft:
#10 - 2020

Profile
When healthy, Perfetti has been an impressive young NHL player for the Jets. His skill and especially his vision stand out at the NHL level. He has the patience and IQ to run an NHL power play and score a lot of points. His frame and skating are concerns, though. He’s not that fast, and at 5-foot-11 that is more pronounced. The multiple recent injuries are also a minor concern when discussing his frame. However, I do think Perfetti can be a good top six wing in the NHL and he’s still on track for that.
Photo:
David Kirouac / USA Today
Skill Grades

High end vision
Puck skills and compete above average
Shot below average (??!!)
Skating below average

TIER 7
LW
WPG

Just out of curiosity, where does Lundell rank in this list? I mean, I'm not saying we shoulda picked Lundell, and I'm not not saying we shoulda picked Lundell. Really, we probably shoulda picked Couturier at that first fork in the road to completely change this team's identity but hey, the path not taken...

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Just out of curiosity, where does Lundell rank in this list? I mean, I'm not saying we shoulda picked Lundell, and I'm not not saying we shoulda picked Lundell. Really, we probably shoulda picked Couturier at that first fork in the road to completely change this team's identity but hey, the path not taken...

Lundell is ranked 21...