Player Discussion Cole Caufield: The little man with the big future.

How many goals will Caufield score in 22-23?


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Depending on the team, I’d rather have four 1st than pay him $9M+. But that’s just me. Besides, most contending teams don’t have the dice to add that much cap, so it’d have to be a mid to bottom tier team who makes that kind of an offer.
No bottom feeder is going to do that. It doesn’t make sense. But a contender could. And no it wouldn’t be worth the picks.
I don’t think it goes there, but you have to be prepared for the worst. At this point it seems like he’s actively seeking and OS, and if that’s the case, I wouldn’t want him on my team anyways. Take the picks and get another young star who wants to be a Hab.
A bunch of late firsts is a bullshit return. Forget that.

If it were a bottom feeder? Sure but it makes no sense for a rebuilding club to mortgage away picks.
 

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No bottom feeder is going to do that. It doesn’t make sense. But a contender could. And no it wouldn’t be worth the picks.

A bunch of late firsts is a bullshit return. Forget that.

If it were a bottom feeder? Sure but it makes no sense for a rebuilding club to mortgage away picks.
Well you don’t know who would make the offer, if they made one at all. So good thing I prefaced “depending on who made the offer.” But thanks for pointing out four late 1st round picks wouldn’t be worth it. I would’ve thought my comment said as much.
 
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Well you don’t know who would make the offer, if they made one at all. So good thing I prefaced “depending on who made the offer.” But thanks for pointing out four late 1st round picks wouldn’t be worth it. I would’ve thought my comment said as much.
You’re saying depending on who makes the offer. And I’m telling you it won’t be high picks. Hence it’s not worth it.

It really only makes sense for a contender (or contender wannabe) to do it.

You’re very unlikely to find that kind of talent later on. So no, it’s not worth it.
 

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:laugh: You truly are a believer but there isn't anything that transpired last season that backs you up on this one. When Caufield becomes the better and more complete player we will all bow down to you. 96% do you honestly think that number will be reduced drastically after everything we've seen?
 
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:laugh: You truly are a believer but there isn't anything that transpired last season that backs you up on this one.
Except for the fact that he continued to produce while nobody else did? You mean except that part???
When Caufield becomes the better and more complete player we will all bow down to you. 96% do you honestly think that number will be reduced drastically after everything we've seen?
He’s already better now. Different players but CC excels in the most important skill a player can have - goal scoring. And he does it consistently.

Suzuki’s a great player - when he’s on his game. But he’s very inconsistent so far. He goes on huge slumps and can’t carry the offense the way a number one should.

Maybe he’ll get there but he hasn’t shown it yet. CC is very clearly a first line player already and he’s a few years younger than Nick is.
 
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Except for the fact that he continued to produce while nobody else did? You mean except that part???

He’s already better now. Different players but CC excels in the most important skill a player can have - goal scoring. And he does it consistently.

Suzuki’s a great player - when he’s on his game. But he’s very inconsistent so far. He goes on huge slumps and can’t carry the offense the way a number one should.

Maybe he’ll get there but he hasn’t shown it yet. CC is very clearly a first line player already and he’s a few years younger than Nick is.
Why do you think this argument will sway me when it didn't the last time you proposed it. You want to cherry pick two weeks of hockey to base that assumption on go right ahead. Suzuki was hurt and over used period. We all know it. The fact that he bounced back with a revolving door of scrubs tells us a lot more about Suzuki than anything we learned about a side lined Cole Caufield.
 

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Why do you think this argument will sway me when it didn't the last time you proposed it. You want to cherry pick two weeks of hockey to base that assumption on go right ahead. Suzuki was hurt and over used period.
Actually Caufield was hurt. And STILL produced. Without Nick (who you said CC was dependent on to score.)
We all know it.
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No we don’t. I never heard anything about injury for Suzuki. And I love how you’re trying to use a non-reported injury as an excuse for one guy not producing while the other guy who DID produce was ACTUALLY injured.

The fact that he bounced back with a revolving door of scrubs tells us a lot more about Suzuki than anything we learned about a side lined Cole Caufield.
Caufield produces consistently. Suzuki hasn’t shown this yet. One is a first liner the other isn’t.

That could change but Suzuki has to prove it.
 
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I hope we get a deal done before free agency, I couldn't care less if it's long term or a bridge.

I'm terrified of an offer sheet from Chicago. With the cap they have to work with and adding Bedard+Caufield I could see any 1sts we get from them being mid 1sts easily. We've seen superstar players turn around teams instantly and they have the cap to fill out the roster around him.
 

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I hope we get a deal done before free agency, I couldn't care less if it's long term or a bridge.

I'm terrified of an offer sheet from Chicago. With the cap they have to work with and adding Bedard+Caufield I could see any 1sts we get from them being mid 1sts easily. We've seen superstar players turn around teams instantly and they have the cap to fill out the roster around him.
Well Brisson is trying to argue L G's take and Hughes is having nothing to do with it. :laugh:
 
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I hope we get a deal done before free agency, I couldn't care less if it's long term or a bridge.

I'm terrified of an offer sheet from Chicago. With the cap they have to work with and adding Bedard+Caufield I could see any 1sts we get from them being mid 1sts easily. We've seen superstar players turn around teams instantly and they have the cap to fill out the roster around him.
What offersheet are you terrified of? It would have to be so stupid and outrageous that we wouldn't match? So 14mx1 year?
 

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What offersheet are you terrified of? It would have to be so stupid and outrageous that we wouldn't match? So 14mx1 year?
Something around 10x3 from Chicago.

It'd be worse case scenario, we'd be overpaying him and it'd still be a bridge deal.

And even though Chicago sucked last year I'd take Caufield over their next two 1sts. I'm expecting a quick turn around from them so I don't think those picks will be anything great.
 

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Something around 10x3 from Chicago.

It'd be worse case scenario, we'd be overpaying him and it'd still be a bridge deal.

And even though Chicago sucked last year I'd take Caufield over their next two 1sts. I'm expecting a quick turn around from them so I don't think those picks will be anything great.
So you match that, easily and deal with the fallout in 3 years. Overpaying Caufield for the next 3 years isn't going to be the end of the world and he's still RFA at the end. Just because his QO is a number does not mean that you have to AAV him that at a long term deal. See potato head in Carolina.
 
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So you match that, easily and deal with the fallout in 3 years. Overpaying Caufield for the next 3 years isn't going to be the end of the world and he's still RFA at the end. Just because his QO is a number does not mean that you have to AAV him that at a long term deal. See potato head in Carolina.
Yea I'd match it in a heartbeat as well. I'd just rather get him at a better cap hit if we are going to bridge him. It'd give us more flexibility if we want to take on a contract for picks next season.
 

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Something around 10x3 from Chicago.

It'd be worse case scenario, we'd be overpaying him and it'd still be a bridge deal.

And even though Chicago sucked last year I'd take Caufield over their next two 1sts. I'm expecting a quick turn around from them so I don't think those picks will be anything great.
That’s the kind of risk we’re taking by not signing him. An RFA offer would suck so bad.
 
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Yea I'd match it in a heartbeat as well. I'd just rather get him at a better cap hit if we are going to bridge him. It'd give us more flexibility if we want to take on a contract for picks next season.
Fair enough. I really don't see an offersheet coming but I do think we might have to pony up more than we all hope. If we can get him at 9m or under for 8 years I won't be thrilled but I think it'll be OK.
 
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Well Brisson is trying to argue L G's take and Hughes is having nothing to do with it. :laugh:
We have no idea what’s happening there. Remember the Subban negotiations? We thought PK was being greedy until we found out about the stupid lowball shit.

If Hughes is offering less than Suzuki money, CC probably won’t sign. And I don’t blame him at all if that’s the case. But if CC wants ten mil? I mean… nobody knows what the hells going on.
 

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We have no idea what’s happening there. Remember the Subban negotiations? We thought PK was being greedy until we found out about the stupid lowball shit.

If Hughes is offering less than Suzuki money, CC probably won’t sign. And I don’t blame him at all if that’s the case. But if CC wants ten mil? I mean… nobody knows what the hells going on.
The general consensus is term not money. Do you think Brisson and Hughes clash?
 

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You’re saying depending on who makes the offer. And I’m telling you it won’t be high picks. Hence it’s not worth it.

It really only makes sense for a contender (or contender wannabe) to do it.

You’re very unlikely to find that kind of talent later on. So no, it’s not worth it.
Well I’m telling you that your false sense of certainty is based on BS bravado and 0% fact. Because you literally have zero idea of what team would offer Caufield an OS and where they will be in the standings for the next 4 years. Hence any statement you make that you think sounds like certainty is purely speculation on your part. Speculation btw, that I don’t ascribe to and frankly I think the degree to which you assert that certainty of what you think will come, is laughable.
 

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Well I’m telling you that your false sense of certainty is based on BS bravado and 0% fact. Because you literally have zero idea of what team would offer Caufield an OS and where they will be in the standings for the next 4 years.
I’m saying a bottom feeder would be crazy to do it. Hence it’s highly unlikely to happen.

Could it happen? Sure. There could be a team crazy enough to try it. But it would be a mistake.
Hence any statement you make that you think sounds like certainty is purely speculation on your part. Speculation btw, that I don’t ascribe to and frankly I think the degree to which you assert that certainty of what you think will come, is laughable.
I can only follow the rule of common sense. If you’re a bottom feeder, would you do it? Does it make sense from that standpoint? I don’t think you would… So no, I don’t see it happening.

I can see a contender wanna-be doing it. Adding a young sniper for that kind of club makes sense. A contender? Sure. Bottom feeder? Why?
 
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I’m saying a bottom feeder would be crazy to do it. Hence it’s highly unlikely to happen.

Could it happen? Sure. There could be a team crazy enough to try it. But it would be a mistake.

I can only follow the rule of common sense. If you’re a bottom feeder, would you do it? Does it make sense from that standpoint? I don’t think you would… So no, I don’t se it happening.

I can see a contender wanna-be doing it. Adding a young sniper for that kind of club makes sense. A contender? Sure. Bottom feeder? Why?
Common sense would dictate that a bottom feeder will attempt to not be a bottom feeder. A contender already has the pieces to contend and won’t have $9M+ available for a player like Caufield. I think that makes more common sense.

Teams like Chicago, Philly, Vancouver, Anaheim, San Jose etc. would be far likely to make that offer than Dallas, Tampa, Toronto, Florida, Carolina etc. Do you really think that doesn’t make more sense??
 
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I hope we get a deal done before free agency, I couldn't care less if it's long term or a bridge.

I'm terrified of an offer sheet from Chicago. With the cap they have to work with and adding Bedard+Caufield I could see any 1sts we get from them being mid 1sts easily. We've seen superstar players turn around teams instantly and they have the cap to fill out the roster around him.
The quickest way to make Bedard a Hab would be if Chicago OS Caufield.
 

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Common sense would dictate that a bottom feeder will attempt to not be a bottom feeder.
And we’ve seen the best way to do that is to draft high over an extended period of time. It doesn’t make sense to trade those picks away.

I’ll ask you again, would you do it? I wouldn’t.
A contender already has the pieces to contend and won’t have $9M+ available for a player like Caufield. I think that makes more common sense.
Contenders can move contracts around. We’ve seen it time and again. If a team needs space they can find it.
Teams like Chicago, Philly, Vancouver, Anaheim, San Jose etc. would be far likely to make that offer than Dallas, Tampa, Toronto, Florida etc. Do you really think that doesn’t make more sense??
No. I’d much rather make the move as a contender than a bottom feeder. Worst case you have to move some contracts around. But the bottom feeder loses top picks. No way I’d give that up.

I think the most likely would be a team that’s close to contending and thinks CC could put them over. Florida is a good example. Carolina’s already done it once…
 
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