Player Discussion Cole Caufield: The little man with the big future.

[Redux91]

Lock him up for as long as you can. I don’t want to have to pony up a crazy raise in four or five years.

I agree obviously
But see, Isn't this exactly the Agent's counter-argument to the entire situation tho lol

 

[Sorinth]

I agree obviously
But see, Isn't this exactly the Agent's counter-argument to the entire situation tho lol

Yes and no. For sure it gets factored into any long term deal but for the same amount of money paid to Caufield going with an 8 year deal first is better for the team because we care less about getting Caufield for cheap over the next 4 years then years 5-8. We are rebuilding and even in the optimistic scenarios we are looking at 3 years before being a true contender, so the cap efficiency over the first 4 years is mostly irrelevant.

 

[Redux91]

Yes and no. For sure it gets factored into any long term deal but for the same amount of money paid to Caufield going with an 8 year deal first is better for the team because we care less about getting Caufield for cheap over the next 4 years then years 5-8. We are rebuilding and even in the optimistic scenarios we are looking at 3 years before being a true contender, so the cap efficiency over the first 4 years is mostly irrelevant.

Yeah you don't get it lol
Of course 8 years is great for the team
I said his agent is advising potentially that the 8 year deal might not be whats best for the client.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I hope they get him signed before offersheets can come into play.

I could see Chicago offersheeting him something ridiculous like 10 million on a 3 year bridge. They're swimming in capspace and desperately need talent to surround Bedard.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I hope they get him signed before offersheets can come into play.

I could see Chicago offersheeting him something ridiculous like 10 million on a 3 year bridge. They're swimming in capspace and desperately need talent to surround Bedard.

There are teams out there with a lot of cap room to spare, for sure. I don't think Caufield is unhappy with us but I'd rather not risk it. Better take care of it soon.

 

[The Great Weal]

I hope they get him signed before offersheets can come into play.

I could see Chicago offersheeting him something ridiculous like 10 million on a 3 year bridge. They're swimming in capspace and desperately need talent to surround Bedard.

Chicago is not giving up 2 unprotected 1sts for Caufield. Offersheets aren't going to happen.

 

[Sorinth]

Yeah you don't get it lol
Of course 8 years is great for the team
I said his agent is advising potentially that the 8 year deal might not be whats best for the client.

Your the one who doesn't get it, Caufield can make the exact same amount of money.

Here's some made up numbers,
Situation A, Caufield signs for 4 years at 6m a year followed by a deal at 10m a year
Situation B, Caufield signs for 8 year at 8m a year.

In both situations Caufield is making 64m over the next 8 years. So it's not better for him to go with Situation A, in fact it's strictly worse because he takes the risk of a career ending injury during the first contract and ending up with 24m instead of 64m. It's also better for the team to go with Situation B because overpaying by 2m for the next 4 years in order to get a 2m discount in years 5-8 makes sense.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Chicago is not giving up 2 unprotected 1sts for Caufield. Offersheets aren't going to happen.

If they expect a quick turn around then I don't think the possibility is off the table. They'll be adding a potentially generational center, Caufield alongside Bedard could be a 50+ goal guy and they'd still have a boat load of cap to fill out the team during free agency.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're out of the bottom 10 next season.

 

[The Great Weal]

If they expect a quick turn around then I don't think the possibility is off the table. They'll be adding a potentially generational center, Caufield alongside Bedard could be a 50+ goal guy and they'd still have a boat load of cap to fill out the team during free agency.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're out of the bottom 10 next season.

They won't turn it around quickly since they got nobody else besides those two. It's a dumb gamble by them.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I agree obviously
But see, Isn't this exactly the Agent's counter-argument to the entire situation tho lol

Oh I know. I just have hope he wants to be here.

Give him the Suzuki deal. That might do it. They’re buds so…

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Your the one who doesn't get it, Caufield can make the exact same amount of money.

Here's some made up numbers,
Situation A, Caufield signs for 4 years at 6m a year followed by a deal at 10m a year
Situation B, Caufield signs for 8 year at 8m a year.

In both situations Caufield is making 64m over the next 8 years. So it's not better for him to go with Situation A, in fact it's strictly worse because he takes the risk of a career ending injury during the first contract and ending up with 24m instead of 64m. It's also better for the team to go with Situation B because overpaying by 2m for the next 4 years in order to get a 2m discount in years 5-8 makes sense.

If I were CC, a shorter deal is better. If he scores 60, then when he re-signs it’ll be for 11 mil or something like that. Cap is going up, plus he’ll be able to leverage UFA status. Way better for him to go that route.

So… pony up the Suzuki deal and hope he signs.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If they expect a quick turn around then I don't think the possibility is off the table. They'll be adding a potentially generational center, Caufield alongside Bedard could be a 50+ goal guy and they'd still have a boat load of cap to fill out the team during free agency.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're out of the bottom 10 next season.

Chicago is in rebuild mode. They wouldn’t do it.

But a contender could. Those picks would be low firsts. They could overpay at ten mil and it would be worth it. Adding a 21 year old sniper… absolutely.

 

[MadMslm]

Chicago is in rebuild mode. They wouldn’t do it.

But a contender could. Those picks would be low firsts. They could overpay at ten mil and it would be worth it. Adding a 21 year old sniper… absolutely.

Yeah, hard to see a team in rebuild mode going for an offer sheet as they could end up giving way too much in term of unprotected assets.

From 6.3 to 8.4 millions, the compensation would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round.

You would imagine Habs would equal that offer even if Caufield becomes the highest paid player on the team. This is nearly not enough in return.

From 8.4 to 10.5 the return is 2 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks.

Only a handful numbers of team could make an offer in that segment and if you eliminate most rebuilding teams and teams with no cap space it leaves you with Columbus, Buffalo, Carolina and Detroit.

Seattle and St-Louis could be a possibility too.

The team I would be scared off is probably the Hurricanes, we have an history with them and they might be tempted to try again for a player like Caufield.

I think Hughes will equal any offer thrown his way that isn’t more than 4 1st round picks.

I’s be surprised to see a team try, it’s pretty hefty price to pay and it may lead to internal cap problems for them.

 

[MXD]

I hope they get him signed before offersheets can come into play.

I could see Chicago offersheeting him something ridiculous like 10 million on a 3 year bridge. They're swimming in capspace and desperately need talent to surround Bedard.

In that specific case I'm totally, but absolutely totally letting Caufield go. Like, I officialize 2 minutes after the offer that I'm not matching.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I hope they get him signed before offersheets can come into play.

I could see Chicago offersheeting him something ridiculous like 10 million on a 3 year bridge. They're swimming in capspace and desperately need talent to surround Bedard.

I’d drive Caufield to the airport personally if he could sign an OS like that, would be amazing for us

 

[habdynasty]

Caufield will sign soon. It’s a done deal.

 

[Kg810]

Canfield will sign soon. It’s a done deal.

What about Bottlefield? Will he sign soon?

 

[habdynasty]

What about Bottlefield? Will he sign soon?

F ya

 

[Sorinth]

If I were CC, a shorter deal is better. If he scores 60, then when he re-signs it’ll be for 11 mil or something like that. Cap is going up, plus he’ll be able to leverage UFA status. Way better for him to go that route.

So… pony up the Suzuki deal and hope he signs.

If everyone involved thinks Caufield is going to be worth 11m in 4 years then how is it better for Caufield to sign a 4 year deal at say 7m and then that 11m instead of an 8 year deal where the first 4 years are at 7m and the next 4 years are at 11 making the cap hit 9m.

 

[Redux91]

If everyone involved thinks Caufield is going to be worth 11m in 4 years then how is it better for Caufield to sign a 4 year deal at say 7m and then that 11m instead of an 8 year deal where the first 4 years are at 7m and the next 4 years are at 11 making the cap hit 9m.

See, you're problem is you simply can't differentiate : "how is it better for Caufield" and "how is it better for the team"
Which is the VERY essence of the entire negotiation (and get this, every negotiation) and the reason the contract isn't signed already.

You're not thinking about it from both sides enough, you are just thinking "how can this work out the best for the habs"
Which I don't fault you for of course, but you need to also think like an "agent who is the opposition to what the team wants as the best bargain" type deal.

 

[LaP]

I hope they get him signed before offersheets can come into play.

I could see Chicago offersheeting him something ridiculous like 10 million on a 3 year bridge. They're swimming in capspace and desperately need talent to surround Bedard.

10.5+ would be awesome and obviously has 0 chances to happen. We would own the Hawks 2024 and 2025 1st round pick as well as a 2nd and 3rd on top. That's a *** awesome return for Caufield and i'd personally drive him to the airport. That's the contract MB had to give to Aho to make Carolina think about it.

 

[Sorinth]

See, you're problem is you simply can't differentiate : "how is it better for Caufield" and "how is it better for the team"
Which is the VERY essence of the entire negotiation (and get this, every negotiation) and the reason the contract isn't signed already.

You're not thinking about it from both sides enough, you are just thinking "how can this work out the best for the habs"
Which I don't fault you for of course, but you need to also think like an "agent who is the opposition to what the team wants as the best bargain" type deal.

I've yet to see an explanation for why it's better for Caufield to make 7m over 4 years followed by 11m over the next 4 vs 9m over 8. It's the same amount of money paid to Caufield in both situations.

 

[OldCraig71]

It would be nice if teams could see into the future before giving big money contracts to players that haven't played in the league for very long. I like Caufield's talent, but giving him 8 million a year at this stage of his young career reminds me a bit of the Toronto situation, things haven't quite gone according to plan for them.

CC will always have to be very cautious on the ice because he isn't built to absorb hits (please don't reply with the moar biggar crap because it's childish) and teams will go after him because of it. We need some size with talent to play with him and Suzuki because physical teams can shut them down.

 

[Kg810]

I've yet to see an explanation for why it's better for Caufield to make 7m over 4 years followed by 11m over the next 4 vs 9m over 8. It's the same amount of money paid to Caufield in both situations.

Because of the time value of money. Go pick up a book.

 

[MXD]

... If Caufield wants a 4 yr deal, he's gone, or at least should be gone.