Player Discussion Cole Caufield: The little man with the big future.

How many goals will Caufield score in 22-23?


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SOLR

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The argument is the ridiculous claim that you wouldn’t want to play him in a critical playoff matchup. The counter argument was he already did well in critical playoff matchups. What you keep spinning is a fabrication made up in your head since he’s already PROVEN THE OPPOSITE.

Nope. You keep reading whatever you want. I made my point clear in the last post.
 

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Caufield's analtyics are best in class. He's outstanding and I wouldn't hesitate to use him in a high pressure role. When he's on the ice the puck tends to be in the other end. Shots are generated for his team rather than against. Those are the raw numbers and it would stand to reason that it would improve if the club he was on was better. He's a 56 CF%.

His relative numbers (which factors in how much better he is than his teammates) show a player who is absolutely elite. He's putting up Crosby type relative analytic numbers. 13.7 - that is absolutely stupid. Even when Suzuki was having a tremendous year he was at 11 (now it's fallen to 8.) Caufield generates a crap ton of shots in the other end.

Any coach afraid to use him in mission critical situations is ignoring the evidence. He's a really good player and there's really no reason not to use him there.
 

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Yeah, but no pressure....except that he knows he has to score to get ice time & so since there is no pressure in Montreal (? that is absurd) he works hard to do what he does better than anyone else on this team. Oh look, minus 9 on a bottom 10 team, if his team is better he is a plus player without changing his game at all.
 

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Caufield's analtyics are best in class. He's outstanding and I wouldn't hesitate to use him in a high pressure role. When he's on the ice the puck tends to be in the other end. Shots are generated for his team rather than against. Those are the raw numbers and it would stand to reason that it would improve if the club he was on was better. He's a 56 CF%.

His relative numbers (which factors in how much better he is than his teammates) show a player who is absolutely elite. He's putting up Crosby type relative analytic numbers. 13.7 - that is absolutely stupid. Even when Suzuki was having a tremendous year he was at 11 (now it's fallen to 8.) Caufield generates a crap ton of shots in the other end.

Any coach afraid to use him in mission critical situations is ignoring the evidence. He's a really good player and there's really no reason not to use him there.
Yeah people assume because he's small and a goal scorer that he must be bad defensively but he's actually pretty decent defensively. He's quite good at creating turnovers with his stick and surprisingly good along the boards.
 

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Caufield still has some trouble defensively, or offensively (on the cycle) during one on one battles for the puck - that likely won't change much heading forward, buttes good withnhis stick to break up plays on the fly or steal pucks altogether.

He has a good defensive awareness with the physical limitations, though and, if anyone has been following him since he was 16, you can tell how he was using his higher positioning, nearer to the blue line, in the O-zone, to, yes, get out of defensive coverage, setting up to pounce on a puck after sneaking back in to the pay zone, but also to curl back on the back check when his team lost control of the puck.

Caufield is far from a one-dimensional player and has been far from that at least throughout his University days, but, to a lesser degree, beforehand as well.

I'd argue he could become even more lethal, offensively (which is difficult, considering he gets the vast majority of his goals against the opponents' top lines at even strength as it is) and less of a defensive liability (even though I wouldn't exactly call him that now) once the Habs' forwards become deeper than a one-line team.

Shared defensive assignments between two or three lines against opponents's best players will immediately remove some of the offensive pressure against the Suzuki line and Caufield, in the process, but, since Caufield's scoring is elite, should not negatively affect that part of his game.

The two knocks on Caufield's game are one in each zone. He's not particularly strong on the cycle game in the O-zone and, in the D-zone, becomes more exposed defensively along the boards for puck battles, especially when the head coach ices a D pairing with one or two Ds who can't win defensive battles for the puck one on one. It's not like Caufield, air those times, represents the cavalry that will join in along the boards to help change the situation.

It was particularly bad with Harris on the ice almost every time that Suzuki's line was on the ice. If we lost possession or the puck in our own zone, we were regularly trapped there and Nashville usually ended up with a scoring opportunity.

Despite these weaker aspects of Caufield's game (no, he os not perfect), the coaching can make the lack of physicality in the D-zone less impactful wit the right D pairings when the Suzuki line is on the ice (Guhle, when he is healthy, for example, instead of Harris) and Caufield compensates for being weaker on the cycle game by getting lost on the ice and finding ways to consistently become a quality target for one-timer opportunities in the process.

Caufield remains a money player, though, and is clutch under pressure. You don't get that many scoring reps since birth without having ice in your veins.
 

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Hoping we can lock him up for 8 years at Suzuki's cap hit, likely he gets a bit more however due to rising cap.
Yeah, the small problem with Suzuki's latest semi drought was that Caufield still scored 7 goals along that 11-game stretch, proving he didn't need Suzuki to produce, which takes away the Batman and robin argument that Suzuki makes you as much as you make him and that getting the same salary should be fair.
 
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First 40-goal season for a Hab since Damphousse, on a poor team, and showing every sign that this is business-as-usual and not a flash in the pan.......and some fans are still chirping this guy?

This isn't rugby league, where you basically field 13 virtually identical athletes who can all run, tackle and play with positional soundness. CC's job is to be the trigger man who just finds ways to get open and put the put the puck in the net.

What more do (some) people want from him? Doesn't he grind enough?
 
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First 40-goal season for a Hab since Damphousse, on a poor team, and showing every sign that this is business-as-usual and not a flash in the pan.......and some fans are still chirping this guy?

This isn't rugby league, where you basically field 13 virtually identical athletes who can call run, tackle and play with positional soundness. CC's job is to be the trigger man who just finds ways to get open and put the put the puck in the net.

What more do (some) people want from him? Doesn't he grind enough?

Don't jinx it.
 
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Dr Quincy

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Caufield still has some trouble defensively, or offensively (on the cycle) during one on one battles for the puck - that likely won't change much heading forward, buttes good withnhis stick to break up plays on the fly or steal pucks altogether.

He has a good defensive awareness with the physical limitations, though and, if anyone has been following him since he was 16, you can tell how he was using his higher positioning, nearer to the blue line, in the O-zone, to, yes, get out of defensive coverage, setting up to pounce on a puck after sneaking back in to the pay zone, but also to curl back on the back check when his team lost control of the puck.

Caufield is far from a one-dimensional player and has been far from that at least throughout his University days, but, to a lesser degree, beforehand as well.

I'd argue he could become even more lethal, offensively (which is difficult, considering he gets the vast majority of his goals against the opponents' top lines at even strength as it is) and less of a defensive liability (even though I wouldn't exactly call him that now) once the Habs' forwards become deeper than a one-line team.

Shared defensive assignments between two or three lines against opponents's best players will immediately remove some of the offensive pressure against the Suzuki line and Caufield, in the process, but, since Caufield's scoring is elite, should not negatively affect that part of his game.

The two knocks on Caufield's game are one in each zone. He's not particularly strong on the cycle game in the O-zone and, in the D-zone, becomes more exposed defensively along the boards for puck battles, especially when the head coach ices a D pairing with one or two Ds who can't win defensive battles for the puck one on one. It's not like Caufield, air those times, represents the cavalry that will join in along the boards to help change the situation.

It was particularly bad with Harris on the ice almost every time that Suzuki's line was on the ice. If we lost possession or the puck in our own zone, we were regularly trapped there and Nashville usually ended up with a scoring opportunity.

Despite these weaker aspects of Caufield's game (no, he os not perfect), the coaching can make the lack of physicality in the D-zone less impactful wit the right D pairings when the Suzuki line is on the ice (Guhle, when he is healthy, for example, instead of Harris) and Caufield compensates for being weaker on the cycle game by getting lost on the ice and finding ways to consistently become a quality target for one-timer opportunities in the process.

Caufield remains a money player, though, and is clutch under pressure. You don't get that many scoring reps since birth without having ice in your veins.
We watched different games. Harris was very good and the numbers back it up.

Everyone's favorite Jackeye last night: CF% 24% (worst on team) FF% 30% (worst on team) xGF% 30% (4th worst)

Harris CF% 70% best on team FF% 66% 2nd beset, xGF% 72% best on team
 
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