Cole Caufield breaking out

[Wayfarer13]

Why are we dating back to last year? And why stop at 18?

There was a point last year where he crossed a threshold in his recovery from the shoulder surgery. The last 18 games should be considered more in line with what his abilities can be healthy. He could catch a rut in the ice and have his career ended in the next game. How long would he have produce like this before you rate him at this level?

Id say that is a much better title for a thread given the season we are in. This one has vibes of the Jets 20 game win streak they're on currently.

I like him as a player but hate cherry picking stats to build a narrative. Every sane person would round up to the nearest 5 or 10 instead of purposely going back as many games as possible before it starts to negatively affect the narrative.

He has 16 goals in his last 24 games
He has 17 goals in his last 37 games

See what I did there. Much better pumping up this season only.

And where was his shoulder strength wise in your first 13 games? Nuance in statistics is important

 

[Lshap]

Emotions always seem to run high in these Habs threads for whatever reason. This is a hell of a steak and not something you see often outside of the Ovechkin/Matthews tier of scorers. Hopefully he can keep it up, or at least close to it. Would make a fun storyline for the season.

This is the sort of thing I missed when scoring was down in the 2000s and 2010s.

This thread title is the hockey equivalent of the "What colour is this dress?" internet meme from a few years ago. People have wildly different reactions, depending what they see.

If you look at the thread title and see, "Caufield 16G in his last 18GP", then the reaction is, "Wow - helluva streak!"

However, if you stare deeper and see, "Every Habs player is better than your players!", then, apparently, the reaction is to trash Lane Hutson.

 

[notbias]

The guy has a top 5-6 shot in the game and shoots over 300 times a season. No he wont shoot at 30% all season, that would give him 100 goals. But if he shoots say 15%, which is very reasonable if youve ever seen his shot, that could be close to 50 goals. Get it yet?

Boo hoo, a Habs player is doing well. You know what you can do next time? Ignore the topic and not comment. I know its hard for you Hab haters, but you should at least give an effort. ITs pathetic, frankly.

It would not give him 100 goals... is he pacing for 300 shots?

You sound very whiny, all I did was point out that he is shooting at an unsustainable pace.

I don't think about the Habs because they are irrelevant, but some people need to be shown that certain trends are not sustainable since they can not figure it out themselves, you're welcome.

He is pacing for ~240 shots, and with his normal shooting percentage, that is an amazing 30 goals (which is good for him).

He might hit 40 this year, but this thread is premature, but at least Habs fans have come back down to earth about Hutson.

Caufield project to be a 72 goals scorer

With his normal shooting % and his shooting pace, he actually projects to be a 30 goal scorer, but please, hold on to this hope, you need it.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It would not give him 100 goals... is he pacing for 300 shots?

You sound very whiny, all I did was point out that he is shooting at an unsustainable pace.

I don't think about the Habs because they are irrelevant, but some people need to be shown that certain trends are not sustainable since they can not figure it out themselves, you're welcome.

He is pacing for ~240 shots, and with his normal shooting percentage, that is an amazing 30 goals (which is good for him).

He might hit 40 this year, but this thread is premature, but at least Habs fans have come back down to earth about Hutson.



With his normal shooting % and his shooting pace, he actually projects to be a 30 goal scorer, but please, hold on to this hope, you need it.

mad , you brought nothing to the conversation

 

[amnesiac]

It would not give him 100 goals... is he pacing for 300 shots?

You sound very whiny, all I did was point out that he is shooting at an unsustainable pace.

I don't think about the Habs because they are irrelevant, but some people need to be shown that certain trends are not sustainable since they can not figure it out themselves, you're welcome.

He is pacing for ~240 shots, and with his normal shooting percentage, that is an amazing 30 goals (which is good for him).

He might hit 40 this year, but this thread is premature, but at least Habs fans have come back down to earth about Hutson.

last year he had 314 shots, he not going to fall back to 240 shots. Hes a shooter, more experienced, is playing top line minutes, and now has a healthy shoulder. He may even get more than 314.

The point of the thread was to show that hes scoring at an elite level in his past 20 games or so. Its worth mentioning whether his name is Cole Caufield or Auston Matthews.... And its not as if theyve been lucky goals, hes sniping one-timers and picking corners as elite goal scorers do.

God forbid someone living in the league's biggest fanbase mention one of, if not, the best goal scoring streak in the league. If I made a topic about say, Mark Stone leading the league points after 10 games would you be be so critical? saying how its not sustainable, blah blah blah.... of course not. Do we understand each other?

Get over it, man. This a hockey forum. If a certain topic bothers you because its Habs related then IGNORE IT. Unbelieve how you people get so triggered and feel the need to diminish anything a Habs player does. Its really pathetic.

Id understand if there were 4 other topics about this, but there isnt. So whats the freakin problem??

 

[notbias]

last year he had 314 shots, he not going to fall back to 240 shots. Hes a shooter, more experienced, is playing top line minutes, and now has a healthy shoulder. He may even get more than 314.

The point of the thread was to show that hes scoring at an elite level in his past 20 games or so. Its worth mentioning whether his name is Cole Caufield or Auston Matthews.... And its not as if theyve been lucky goals, hes sniping one-timers and picking corners as elite goal scorers do.

God forbid someone living in the league's biggest fanbase mention one of, if not, the best goal scoring streak in the league. If I made a topic about say, Mark Stone leading the league points after 10 games would you be be so critical? saying how its not sustainable, blah blah blah.... of course not. Do we understand each other?

Get over it, man. This a hockey forum. If a certain topic bothers you because its Habs related then IGNORE IT. Unbelieve how you people get so triggered.

He also shot 8% last year...

And yes, I'd likely say "who cares, he will regress" if someone said Stone is going to hit 150 points.

I would rather comment on the threads than ignore them, sorry you can't handle reality.

The triggered comment is pure comedy... the irony.

 

[amnesiac]

He also shot 8% last year...

And yes, I'd likely say "who cares, he will regress" if someone said Stone is going to hit 150 points.

I would rather comment on the threads than ignore them, sorry you can't handle reality.

The triggered comment is pure comedy... the irony.

and if you think the "reality" is that he'll shoot 8% again I suggest you watch more of his highlights to familiarize yourself with his skill. Again, he has a top 5-6 shot int he game, and came into the league as one of the best prospects in the game after what he did in NCAA. (ie. broke the goal scoring record)

And no one is saying Caufield will score 60 goals, just like no one is saying Stone will score 150 points. But why wouldnt it be worth mentioning how well theyre doing lately in a HOCKEY FORUM? its not like he has 4 goals in 2 games here..... 16 in 18. Its impressive!

Hell, why mention anything ANY PLAYER is doing lately? Seriously, get a clue. We all talk about how players/teams are doing LATELY.

"Oh but its not sustainable"... well no shit hes not going to finish the year at 30%. Thanks, Captain Obvious.

 

[notbias]

and if you think the "reality" is that he'll shoot 8% again I suggest you watch more of his highlights to familiarize yourself with his skill. Again, he has a top 5-6 shot int he game, and young exciting player.

And no one is saying Caufield will score 60 goals, just like no one is saying Stone will score 150 points. But why wouldnt it be worth mentioning how well theyre doing lately in a HOCKEY FORUM?

Hell, why mention anything ANY PLAYER is doing lately? Seriously, get a clue. We all talk about how players/teams are doing LATELY.

Why can't I mention that it is unsustainable and he won't finish the season doing as well as he is?

If you need a safe space, why not just post in the Montreal forum?

If you enjoy discussing hockey, you should appreciate contrary views, but it appears you just want everyone to agree, so might make sense to stay off the main boards.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

He’s a good player, pure sniper.

 

[amnesiac]

Why can't I mention that it is unsustainable and he won't finish the season doing as well as he is?

If you need a safe space, why not just post in the Montreal forum?

If you enjoy discussing hockey, you should appreciate contrary views, but it appears you just want everyone to agree, so might make sense to stay off the main boards.

So when a player, no matter who it is or what the team, gets 16G in his last 18 games.... something very impressive and quite rare, shouldnt be mentioned on the main forum why exactly?

Because you hate the Habs and are sick of seeing Lane Hutson threads? If youre bothered by positive Habs' players threads thats a you problem. If you saw the same thread 3 times int he past week, sure Id understand, but its not the case.

I dont mind when its actual constructive criticism, but your knock is just saying he cant sustain 30%. Well no shit, no one is saying he will. He should/chould be around 15% which could land him well over 40 goals if he get over 300 shots again. And seeing HOW hes acutally scoring his goals, if you bother looking, hes looking like a top sniper in the game. Thats what this thread is about.

 

[notbias]

So when a player, no matter who it is or what the team, gets 16G in his last 18 games.... something very impressive and quite rare, shouldnt be mentioned on the main forum why exactly?

Because you hate the Habs and are sick of seeing Lane Hutson threads? If youre bothered by positive Habs' players threads thats a you problem. If you saw the same thread 3 times int he past week, sure Id understand, but its not the case.

I dont mind when its actual constructive criticism, but your knock is just saying he cant sustain 30%. Well no shit, no one is saying he will. He should/chould be around 15% which could land him well over 40 goals if he get over 300 shots again. And seeing HOW hes acutally scoring his goals, if you bother looking, hes looking like a top sniper in the game. Thats what this thread is about.

Unsustainable pace and a weird sample size.

That can sum up this thread.

I don't think this is a big accomplishment and I am sure these odd splits over a season happen more often than people think.

 

[wetcoast]

and if you think the "reality" is that he'll shoot 8% again I suggest you watch more of his highlights to familiarize yourself with his skill. Again, he has a top 5-6 shot int he game, and came into the league as one of the best prospects in the game after what he did in NCAA. (ie. broke the goal scoring record)

And no one is saying Caufield will score 60 goals, just like no one is saying Stone will score 150 points. But why wouldnt it be worth mentioning how well theyre doing lately in a HOCKEY FORUM? its not like he has 4 goals in 2 games here..... 16 in 18. Its impressive!

Hell, why mention anything ANY PLAYER is doing lately? Seriously, get a clue. We all talk about how players/teams are doing LATELY.

"Oh but its not sustainable"... well no shit hes not going to finish the year at 30%. Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Sure he isn't going to shoot 8% but he also isn't going to shoot 30% and even if he shoots 3 points above his career to date at 15% that still is only 45 goals for 300 SOG.

He is also 63rd currently in SOG so he isn't some prolific volume shooter like Ovi, Pasta, AM ect.....

Except around 40 something goals and just be happy.

 

[amnesiac]

Unsustainable pace and a weird sample size.

That can sum up this thread.

I don't think this is a big accomplishment and I am sure these odd splits over a season happen more often than people think.

yeah so these kinds of streaks happen amongst the best goalscorers in the game, and nd now we're seeing the beginning of a young 23 year old Caufield become one. Its great, its exciting to see, whether youre a Habs fan or not! Right? Right?

Well no, youre a Hab hater. You should trying being an actual HOCKEY FAN for once, and not automatically judge a player by their sweater. Same reasoning with all this Hutson hate. Its so ridiculous.

Im not a Leaf fan at all but I can appreciate how amazing Auston Matthews is. Seeing the best hockey players do what they do is what impresses me, not only what my team does. Im "pissed" seeing Michkov do so well knowing Montreal passed on him, but Im sure as hell not going to DIMINISH what hes done in his first 10 games. I think hes amazing, and its great to see from hockey fan's POV.

Just try it.

 

[Zalos]

He might hit 40 this year, but this thread is premature, but at least Habs fans have come back down to earth about Hutson.

Habs fans have always been firmly "on earth" about Hutson. He is a unique player who will have a ton of success in Montreal.

As for Caufield, I would avoid acting so confident until he actually has a full season where he scores 40+ goals. I like him, but talking shit or comparing him to Matthews when the guy hasn't even achieved 40 is insane.

 

[Lshap]

Unsustainable pace and a weird sample size.

That can sum up this thread.

I don't think this is a big accomplishment and I am sure these odd splits over a season happen more often than people think.

Useless comments like "Unsustainable pace" sum up this thread.

16 goals in 18 games acknowledges a very impressive streak - hence a thread about it. Thanks for pointing out the streak won't last all season, however I think we've figured that out without your help.

 

[JianYang]

Emotions always seem to run high in these Habs threads for whatever reason. This is a hell of a steak and not something you see often outside of the Ovechkin/Matthews tier of scorers. Hopefully he can keep it up, or at least close to it. Would make a fun storyline for the season.

This is the sort of thing I missed when scoring was down in the 2000s and 2010s.

I've figured caufield could be a 40+ goal guy in this league, and I mean multi 40+ goal guy.
The main takeaway for Habs fans is that they probably don't have to worry about the shoulder surgery anymore and the subsequent "off year" last season.

 

[PaulD]

Our scoring Mattews

 

[notbias]

Useless comments like "Unsustainable pace" sum up this thread.

16 goals in 18 games acknowledges a very impressive streak - hence a thread about it. Thanks for pointing out the streak won't last all season, however I think we've figured that out without your help.

18 games spread across two seasons, unimpressive.

I suggest you watch some more hockey if you think this is impressive.

 

[Lshap]

18 games spread across two seasons, unimpressive.

I suggest you watch some more hockey if you think this is impressive.

I suggest you either add something to this discussion or find other threads to vent your frustrations. There is no third option.

 

[NYRKing]

One of my favorites. Electric player with one of the best shots in the league.

 

[amnesiac]

18 games spread across two seasons, unimpressive.

I suggest you watch some more hockey if you think this is impressive.

great, have you acutally SEEN his goals and how hes scoring them? hint: theyre not all deflections and rebounds. Hes sniping them as elite goalscorers do. Yeah its impressive.

If you dont think so, then either A) you dont know talent when you see it or B) as mentioned, just another Hab hater who cant acknowledge when a Hab is doing well.

Is he among the elite goalscoerers yet? No. Hes 23, and developing his skill as we speak. Is this his breakout year where he establishes himself as one of the best? Possibly! So lets talk about that.

Can you? Doesnt seem like it. Yet everyone else can.... hmmmm

 

[notbias]

I suggest you either add something to this discussion or find other threads to vent your frustrations. There is no third option.

I've been adding to the discussion, you just don't like the addition.

Flexing the "mod" muscles is hilarious here, should just move the thread to the Montreal board.

Here is some stats about Caufield so you can be happy.

Caufield has some bad play driving stats and is getting caved in at 5v5.

He's currently shooting at ~2 goals above expected.

He should likely be closer to 6 in 9 which is still a good number, but really not that impressive.

Congrats for the early success Caufield and Montreal.

 

[TBF1972]

Im not "creating facts", Im stating them. Snipping a sample size is pretty much what the definition of a streak is. ie. what a player or team has done in their past X games. We do it ALL THE TIME. This goalie has been on fire SINCE January, this player has gone goalless in his past 15 games, this team is on a 10 game losing streak... I mean, what dont you understand?? The reality is he scored 16 in his last 18.

Its like im explaining this to 6 year old. I know youre looking for ways do diminish this since hes a Hab and all, but just accept it as something positive for the player.

Its like to you we should never mention a streak at any point in ANY sport for that matter since "it doesnt reflect the reality". So then we should always refer back to the start of the season in every single case?? like what?? weird reasoning, man.

and the previous 18 games he had scored only 1 goal.

but you concluded based on those 18 games, that caufield is breaking out. if anyone concluded on the previous 18 games that caufield is already regressing at a very young age, you would have rightfully laughed about it.

certain stats are heavily fluctuating. the smaller the sample size the less reliable are the conclusions you can get from those numbers. 18 game samples are basically noize. calling someone else dump because they don't like your interpretations of stats is what caused me to post. but next time i won't care to reply. i will just hit the report button.

 

[Lshap]

I've been adding to the discussion, you just don't like the addition.

Flexing the "mod" muscles is hilarious here, should just move the thread to the Montreal board.

Here is some stats about Caufield so you can be happy.

Caufield has some bad play driving stats and is getting caved in at 5v5.

He's currently shooting at ~2 goals above expected.

He should likely be closer to 6 in 9 which is still a good number, but really not that impressive.

Congrats for the early success Caufield and Montreal.

Claiming 16 goals in 18 games is "Unimpressive" adds nothing and is plain ridiculous. Now you're flailing about, scrounging for stats to diminish the player, while avoiding the actual topic. Your tangent has been given more rope than it deserves.

And by the way, there are main-board threads about Casey Mittelstadt and Matvei Michkov’s early streaks and Winnipeg’s hot start. We're all looking forward to seeing you in those threads, educating us on why those streaks won’t last.

 

[notbias]

Claiming 16 goals in 18 games is "Unimpressive" adds nothing and is plain ridiculous. Now you're flailing about, scrounging for stats to diminish the player, while avoiding the actual topic. Your tangent has been given more rope than it deserves.

And by the way, there are main-board threads about Casey Mittelstadt and Matvei Michkov’s early streaks and Winnipeg’s hot start. We're all looking forward to seeing you in those threads, educating us on why those streaks won’t last.

Those are Caufield's stats from the previous 18 games before this "streak".

In the last 36 games, he has scored 10 goals, is this cause for concern?

How can you suggest people add some discussion to this thread and then literally add nothing? This is hilarious how triggered you are by someone showing stats.

"I suggest you either add something to this discussion or find other threads to vent your frustrations. There is no third option."